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Technicial manual for an LG Nexus leaks out

Curious about the next Nexus on the technical level? If so, you're in for a treat. What's supposedly a draft of the official LG service manual for the next Nexus has been posted online. It's a 281 page document, filled with troubleshooting materials, circuit schematics and pinouts, but it does have a couple really interesting things hidden inside.

First of all, the line drawing (seen above) gives us the complete look at the overall device design. Picture the G2, with some minor cosmetic changes and no weird button placement. The back of the unit is also pictured, and it matches up well with some previously leaked images and looks similar to the Nexus 7 from a materials stand point. But most important to many Nexus fans are the specs, which we can glean from the document.

  • 4.95-inch 1080p IPS LCD
  • Snapdragon 800 quad-core CPU (MSM8947) at 2.3GHz
  • 2GB RAM
  • 32GB storage
  • Wireless charging
  • 8MP rear camera with OIS; 1.3MP front camera
  • 2300mAh battery
  • Accelerometer; ambient light sensor; Compass; Gyroscope; Proximity; Pressure sensors
  • HDMI out via Slimport
  • Notification LED
  • NFC; Bluetooth 3 (?); A-GPS; 802.11 b/g/n wifi

It is worth noting that this is a draft, and of course it could be an elaborate hoax. Some glaring errors are present (page 8 and page 11 give conflicting info about Bluetooth specs for starters), but it sure is some juicy juice to pore through on a Saturday night. You'll find the complete doc embedded after the break.

Via: Android Police

Update: Unfortunately, the manual has been taken down at the request of LG and so we have removed the PDF viewer.


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LG Nexus service manual posted online, gives us specs of the next Nexus phone



Yeah, I noticed that too and was a little dismayed. I was hoping for at least 10MP, but I assume they are focusing more on pixel quality than quantity. I have heard that Nikon might be making some component of its camera, which if true, would suggest much better quality images, always a plus. I guess my disappointment is that I would prefer a combination of more pixels and higher quality. Say 10+MP with higher quality sensors, would be great.

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If the tech they use is the same as the g2 then this camera will blow away the competition

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From this manual. Looks promising, but from currently owning the nexus 4... the 3 features that will determine whether i get this or not: Camera, Battery Life, Storage size.
- OIS in the camera. Hopefully they decided to give a GOOD camera this time on N5.
- Yay for 32 GB. If i learned anything from the nexus 4, was that I'm never ever buying a phone with less than 32gb again.\
- Yay for Snapdragon 800
- 2300 MaH. I'm extremely disappointed in the battery size. Hopefully Kit Kat and some google fixes optimize the battery life. I refuse to suffer through mediocre battery life like i did with the N4. All the custom roms/kernels in the world can't make up for crappy battery life.

4+ hours screen on time is mediocre? Doesn't get much better then that.

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why are the specs always worse on the Nexus line than the currant flagship phones? Do you know what I mean? the Lg G2 has a 13 megapixel camera on the back, why is there an 8 megapixel on Google Lg Nexus? Thats Stupid!

The Nexus line has never been about bleeding edge technology. Nexus is a showcase for demonstrating what is possible on an open source platform.

That's a very broad statement tbh, you could say the same about the entire Android ecosystem. An open source OS isn't just about AOSP, it's just as much about what it allows other OEM to do even if the devices they put out contain proprietary code or features.

In any case, the Nexus line HAS always pushed hardware specs somewhat, the newest Nexus phone may not always be the highest end phone on the market but they've almost always introduced at least one or two hardware specs that were far beyond what everyone else was doing at the time... And it's only natural, specially after they moved to an end of year release cycle which falls smack dab in the middle of every other OEM's natural cycle (most other flagship devices come out in the summer).

The first Nexus was the first 1GHz phone, in the US at least, tho I think it preceded the Desire in EU either way. Build quality on it was also pretty far above everything else before it.

The Galaxy S was probably the least ambitious with not much to differentiate it outside of that curved display... Wasn't the Galaxy Nexus the first 720p phone here tho? First with on screen buttons too... The Nexus 5 will be about as high end as it gets, outside of the battery (and there's what, like two phones with significantly larger batteries? G2 & DMaxx), and if it does indeed support AT&T, Tmo, and Sprint then that by itself will be some kinda coup.

The N4 was faster than most phones at the start of the year, thermal throttling aside, timing issues (LTE) just kept it kinda niche... But the price really broke ground and I think they realized they were on to something, the entire Nexus strategy finally congealed into something much more meaningful than a pet protect or a developer device.

I'm glad they are moving the speakers to the bottom of the phone rather than the back.. Can't wait for this phone!!

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Not impressed to be honest. I was hoping for a nice killer feature but all we got was a boring and generic upgrade. At least it makes my decision for me. Note 3 it is.

I dont know how you can say that when the note 3 for all its power still makes 4.3 look like gingerbread, what are you going to do daily that you cannot do with a note 2?

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Wow, it's practically the same size as my HTC One X but with a larger screen. Depending on the price, I just might buy one of these outright instead of upgrading through Telus with their increasingly crappy selection.

Pity on the weak camera though

How can you say it's a weak camera? No samples have been released yet

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Thanks for posting this. Sometimes we get so carried away with how many pixels the camera has, where the buttons are, what size the screen is and with X is better than this, or this is not better than Y, that we forget about the complex technology underlying the devices we are carrying around.

Already replacing my N4 with a Note 3 that will come in on Tuesday. But this is all good news.

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This is one very elaborate hoax. Multiple leaked images, leaked bar video, and now service manual. All with a similar cohesive design.


D820 is the US Nexus I thought?
D821 may be the Nexus set for Mexico, according to page 193 and 194.

Pages 272 to 276 for nice pictures of the back and other sides of the phone (as well as disassemble instructions). If you look close at page 272 of the inside back cover, the cover stamp seems to show that he is working on the LG-D820 version. Looking at the front of the phone, it seems the power and SIM tray are on the right side, 3.5 headphone jack on top, volume on the left, and speakers and micro USB/slimport connection on bottom. Though it sounds like a disappointment initially, 2300mAh may be enough battery with a 350 hour standby time (page 6). 16GB SDRAM DDR2 + 16GB eMMC memory? But no external flash memory (microSD card). Wireless charging is nice though.

The newer slcds like they ones lg uses consume less power than the old panels, the s800 probably draws less than the s600 and s4 pro before it and it ll run stock 4.4 which will likely improve a bit on battery life like 4.3 before it. A higher mah would be nice but based on the above in reserving judgement til its been tried and tested

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No one's stopping you from purchasing an iPhone, just sayin.

Some people spend way too much time on their phones. Spec-wise, what more do you want?

The specs are great, and you'd rather Google tweak the software to increase battery life than throw a few more mah into the equation.

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She did, from Android to iPhone. Which was my idea. The iPhone much more suits her needs. I also like having one in the household. After using hers extensively, I know exactly now why I use an Android.

Bit why is it that nexus phones always have old cameras and not keep up with the other phones in that regard? Strange and they should have at least put the battery of a G2 in it. Some weird choices always with nexus phones.

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They have to compromise to keep the price affordable as they know most people buy the Nexus outright.

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If these specs are correct I may have to trade in my brand new Note 3 in 6 months with Tmobile Jump. I paid zero down so I won't be out much.

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Yeah because the new nexus specs are better then ur Note 3 specs? Come on man please.

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Nice to see it's got magnets in the back cover to keep it on the charger this time. Hopefully no more complaints of it slipping off.

I'm glad my Verizon contract isn't up until April so I can actually buy one and not have to wait forever. This will be my next phone. Any word on USB OTG support? I haven't had time to read the whole thing.

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For the longest time, you had to root to use USB OTG. However, there may be an app, floating around, that accomplishes this without root.

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Huh? USB OTG first showed up on Android phones like 2.5 years ago, and yes back then you had to root, but this year's flagship phones (One/SGS4) had it enabled by default, and last year's crop often did too or gained OTG after their respective JB updates (I think the SGS3 had OTG even on ICS, One X gained it stock after JB). The first Nexus 7 didn't need root for OTG media access, just an app, tho with root it was more natural... Didn't even need the app if you wanted OTG for a gamepad it's peripheral. Lots older ICS tablets had custom OTG implementations before it was built into AOSP too.

Point is, USB OTG has been fairly common for a while (it's been available without requiring root longer than it was when root was required), outside of anomalies like the Nexus 4 which couldn't supply enough power over it's USB port. Personally, it's a huge selling point for me so I hope they don't mess that up again. Then again, if it doesn't come to Sprint in one way or another I'll probably pass... By the time I get to decide whether to renew or bail next year there will probably be plenty of rumors of HTC/Samsung's next flagships.

Rocking an EVO LTE right now, mostly happy with it, a Nexus that works on 3 different carriers WITH LTE would be mighty tempting tho. Specially at $300-350 for 32GB... $350 for 16GB would be a tough sell. I'm sure there will be at least one $350 SKU of some sort tho, dunno why people are doubting it could sell for anything under $400... BoM for phones is never that high and these are basically sure fire contract jobs for the OEM.

Google might be selling you the phone at cost (for them) but you can bet the OEM still makes some money off it, specially when they save themselves all the software development, advertising, and carrier negotiation costs. Scaling and logistics are probably why HTC and Moto haven't gotten the contract recently, specially as the Nexus line got more popular. Sometimes they can barely keep up with their own lines... Even then, LG struggled with availability last year. I'd love to see an HTC/Moto Nexus, the latter is unlikely tho cause of the can of worms it'd open.

Ok, I should have specified that I was referring to Nexus devices. I know, all of the recent Samsung, HTC, etc flagships enabled USB OTG, by default. But, I didn't know that it was incorporated into AOSP. Thanks.

In regards to the remainder of your reply: I believe it will come to Sprint. It would be absolutely amazing, to have a Nexus device that can be used on 03 carriers' frequencies, along with their respective MVNOs.

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Agreed, it will be huge... Just having LTE on AT&T and Tmo would be big, a lot of people passed on the N4 due to lack of LTE (and the previous 2 Nexus were quasi-VZW and Sprint exclusives, at least initially, and weren't sold at the attractive price of the N4), add Sprint on top of that plus an attractive price point and it could be a very disruptive device indeed... Possibly the most important Nexus since the Nexus One.

Enthusiasts will debate the specs back and forth but the big picture paints a much more relevant and important device for the Nexus line and the market at large, specially in light of recent waves by Tmo and no-contract MVNOs.

Will have to check that one out, Nexus Media Importer works too. My N7's rooted but my sister's isn't.

I'm not quite sure why the Nexus tablets support OTG but not removable storage mounting out of the box, maybe that's not technically part of USB OTG or more than likely it's a FAT32 thing... The Nexus devices probably can't mount media formatted that way without an app since they don't license it, part of the reason Google went for contiguous storage on Nexus devices rather than split OS/storage partitions with the latter formatted for mass storage device access within Windows...

People like to ignore this (or they just don't understand it) but it goes to the fundamental way in which storage capacity is formatted and used and it plays into the whole reason why Nexus devices lack removable storage. Contiguous storage makes better use of the space and it's not unmounted when accessed from a PC... Obviously they could format internal storage like that and still have removable storage using FAT32 (like the EVO LTE and other phones do), but the decision to do so isn't 100% political and driven by cloud services.

Yeah, taking into account the amount of money that Microsoft makes from Android already, I can see why Google wouldn't want to provide another source of revenue in the form of storage licensing fees.

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Page 9 is interesting on SW Features. It lists the following as quick access: camera, chrome, camera, app, messages, phone. Maybe a quick unlock circle to select something specific?

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Page 271 onwards is great for pictures of the device. Even still has its protective wrapping on. Edited!!

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Please please please, phone gods. Let there be a Verizon version that is sold from Google at a good price. I would be in heaven. I would buy it instantly and keep my unlimited!! So hoping this is the case. Having looked through that manual and seeing all that info about CDMA in there gives me hope!


It's a fake
spec like nexus 4 :
size - 133.9 x 68.7 x 9.1 (unit : mm)
weight - 139.5 g
BT - 3.0

It's fake>> yeah, same size and weight as the Nexus 4. I was looking for dimensions and it looked odd so i checked. Got them :)))

All I know is that I'm not getting the first batch of phones. I'm going to wait a month or 2 until all the major bugs and issues are fixed. Same thing I did with the nexus 4.

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So wished they kept the buttons on the back. Any way don't see anything that is impressive on this device. Smaller screen, smaller battery, smaller camera, less software features,. Google has a size issue going on.

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Nexus devices do not have physical navigational buttons. Nexus runs AOSP, if you're not smart enough to add the features yourself or if you want bloated crap with locked bootloader, buy something else. This is a nexus phone, not a phablet device with digitizer pen like the Note there for it doesn't have oversized screen. Have you ever even use a Nexus before?

The spec of this device and the price it's going to sell for is going to be atleast $200-250 cheaper than others unlocked devices with similar spec, stop complaining.

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Except for the camera (though I could live with it), Google can take my money now. :-)

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If it makes me coffee in the morning and takes my dog for a walk its mine! S##t if its around the n4 price I will make it coffee and take it for walks :)

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Can someone please care to explain what an OIS lens adds to the quality of the camera? Having a Nexus 4, the only complaint I have with it is the poor camera quality. Yes I know it is capable of taking some really good shots, but on the whole, its disappointing when compared with the majority of other flagship phones out there at the moment. If the camera isn't going to be up to the high standards this time round, i'll probably just stick with my N4.

OIS = Optical image stabilisation. Basically the lens "moves" to compensate for small movements caused by your hands shaking etc. It means the camera stays still even if your hands shake (obviously there's a limit) so you can take better video and photos, especially low light.

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To expand on that, the reason why OIS helps particularly with low light photos is because it allows a longer exposure or shutter time. Basically the camera can compensate, even on auto, and keep the lens open without inducing blur thanks to the stabilization, thus allowing more light in.

There's generally two ways to take better low light pictures, longer exposure or larger aperture (both would let more light in). Most newer phones already have pretty large aperture lenses (close to f/2.0, larger than many P&S, relatively speaking), so OIS is the next logical step.

The only other vector for improvement in low light would either be software tricks that combine various photos to reduce noise, or simply larger sensors (as Nokia has done with the 1080 and Pureview before it). HTC's ultrapixel approach is sorta similar but it comes at the cost of detail in decent light.

All photography, even on a DSLR, is basically a balance of all these parameters (aperture, shutter, and ISO which is the sensor's sensitivity setting, basically detail vs noise) plus sensor size and lens used. Better or larger sensors make higher ISO more usable which allows a faster shutter or larger aperture, etc. Any time the camera adjusts one of those three basic parameters the others are shifted accordingly.

Dumbed down example: without OIS if the camera detects fast movement or some shake it'll select a faster shutter to compensate, which in turn can mean higher ISO (remember they're linked) and thus more noise, hence worse low light photos.

Just rewrite the firmware to process the image to 13mp if you think 8 is to low.

iPhone 5S talked 8mp and the images are pretty decent.

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Looks like the time has come for my trusty Galaxy Nexus to retire. I'm kind of glad that I never upgraded to the Nexus 4, it would have been a waste considering how the Nexus 5 is a much better upgrade to the Nexus 4 than the Nexus 4 was to the Galaxy Nexus.

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my upgrade strategy is to skip every other Nexus (assuming there is not some new major drastic quantum leap in feature functionality from one to the next).

G-Nex--->Nexus 5

It's funny that you mentioned that. I wonder, if Google plans on doing "fire sales" every year, towards the end of a Nexus device's life cycle.

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Yeah...a little dissapointed about the battery life, besides from that, no big things to complain about. You cant always get everything that you want. Big plus for the fm radio! This is my next nexus :)

on galaxy nexus^^ o-jea!

Dude...I loved my GNex but the n4 is incredibly better across the board. I'd say a much bigger bump than going n4 to n5

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The GNex was a beast, when it first launched: dual-core 1Ghz processor, 1GB RAM, 16GB storage, 4.65 inch, 720p screen, and the headphone jack was on the bottom! I miss my GNex.

Thankfully, I upgraded to the Nexus 4 (when Google slashed the price), and two weeks later, the charging port stopped working on the GNex.

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The BT/WiFi chip is a Broadcom BCM4335, if you trust this manual. This means it is WiFi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac and Bluetooth 4.0 capable. - stolen from a user on AP. You might want to update the article

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looks good to me im a little worried about the smaller battery but time will tell if it will make or break the device :D

Reading the spec sheet, it has pretty much the exact same dimensions as the Nexus 4.

Either this document is an edited fake (originally a nexus 4 service manual) or LG have managed to perform some sort of magic.

Nexus 4: 133.9 x 68.7 x 9.1 @ 139g (source:

Nexus 5: 133.9 x 68.7 x 9.1 @ 139.5g (source: service manual)

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It does have much smaller screen bezels, so that explains part of the size parity despite display size change... Plus wasn't the nexus 4 based on the chassis design of a phone that had capacitive buttons? The G2 doesn't have capacitive buttons, which is why (combined with the smaller bezels) it has a larger display than a One or SGS4 in a similarly sized body.

A 5" 1080p display, top-of-the-line Snapdragon 800, and *quadruple* the minimum RAM to 32 GB are Apple 4S-like spec bumps? Troll harder.

What's that weird button below the power button on the right side of the phone? Volume rocker is on the left so..?
And why not headphone jack on the button. I love how iPhone 5 has the jack in the rear side of phone, cause naturally you will put your phone in your pocket upside down..

What a pathetic marginal upgrade. Probably the least substantial spec bump ever in the nexus line. Plus it goes from refined glass to cheap plastic!?

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The specs are not a minimal upgrade.
I hardly doubt it is "cheap plastic" also the N4 was plastic ... Just sandwiched with glass.


Another crap camera. I love my N4 but the camera alone has been pushing me to a GS4. I was hanging on for the N5, but to hear 8mp for a phone for the 2014 season is a joke. GS4 here I come.

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You're right, camera quality is all about the listed specs.
Don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.

To be honest I will choose the LG g2 over this any day. I personally play with that phone, it is a beast!!!!

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There seems to be actual photos of it on Mobilesyrup, so it could very well be real- it IS a little odd at how the size and weight are identical.

Not digging the looks of this phone. I have to like the visual design of a phone and its specs. I'll stick with my current new phone and we what the Nexus 6 is like like.

Sent from the surface of the moon with my un-branded white LG Optimus G Pro on T-Mobile LTE; and yes we went landed there.

Kind of agree its a bit plain and boring and I don't think its going to win any design awards, though we haven't seen any official / PR shots of it yet.

Can't wait for this to drop! Now im looking forward to see what KitKat 4.4 really has to offer:)

I can say I have a nexus 4 stock and not rooted and the battery is absolute garbage. I love the phone and stock of it but wow this battery stinks. 2300mah really Google? Sorry but I have to agree with folks on here, you need to seriously increase the battery. I'll wait to see a review on the battery before I pick another phone up. I'm so tired of charging a phone through out the entire day. A battery will be one of my deciding factors now.

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The two phones on my Radar are this and the Xiaomi Mi3

Pro's of this:
Nexus device - Pure Android Experience / Updates!
Wireless Charging
Camera with OIS

Pro's of the Mi3
64GB Storage
IMO Better Design ...if stolen from Nokia ;)
Bigger Battery 3050mah
13mp Camera

8 MP really let's bump up to 13 MP and higher and seriously nexus add a SD card slot not so difficult 1.3MP front is particularly too

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64 GB model please Google 2 gig of ram is plenty, who uses 3 gigs of ram hell ? Un zipping a gigabyte zip file works on my n4 fine. . . .

Its a phone ! If you want to something more buy a laptop what part of phone don't people get ? Its NOT a desktop or laptop replacement !

Battery needs to be priority for all manufactures in 2014 !

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Yeah...Looks like this battery is replaceable (276-277) Will be interesting to see if this gets confirmed.

on galaxy nexus^^ o-jea!

I don't think they consider it user replaceable. Note that there is significant dis assembly to change out the battery, which requires more skills and tools that would be expected necessary for a "replaceable" battery.

That said, it does look more feasible than on many other phones, for the more technical user, with the skills and tools.

Here is my two cents after reading through everyone else's thoughts...

I'm on AT&T and I've been anxiously awaiting for the arrival of the Note 3 and Nexus 5, so I'm finally halfway there. I have high hopes for the N5 and this document only makes me more hopeful that I will be swayed away from Samsung and onto the Nexus train once and for all. I'm currently sporting a GS3 and Nexus 10, so I've gotten a good flavor of each over the past year or so.

That being said, I still can't help but think Google could be doing a little more to get more people hooked on their Nexus line. Believe me, I know why the tradeoffs are can't have every top of the line feature and still sell the phone for $300-$400 unlocked. If there's one thing my business degree taught me it's that...

Or could they? I feel like if there's any company in the world who could sell a phone at/around cost, it's Google. You may not like that cloud storage isn't as reliable/secure/fast/convenient as on-board, but there are a LOT of people who wouldn't mind that at all. Google could give every Nexus customer an extra 64-120 Gigs of cloud storage for 2 years and people would drool over it. They could give us a high-end camera and give the people who say "Nexus cameras have always sucked" a new reason to give it a shot. I realize that the MP count isn't everything, and the addition of OIS should be a major improvement...but why not combine a 13MP sensor AND OIS. What Google needs is volume, because the more people they have using their services, the more $$$ in the bank. Every customer who goes with Samsung or another OEM and uses SD cards for storage is another person who ISN'T using Google's cloud for that purpose (or at least not entirely).

Anyway, I'm still excited for the official announcement and for the future of the Nexus brand!

I do not think they are aiming to make money on nexus phones. If it sells well then awesome.

fantastic! I like the ear piece speaker, something I noticed in earlier leaks but this kinda confirms that it's a circle instead of the usual long rectangle ear piece. Guess it's just nice to see something unique. I just got my Nexus 4 back in June but I may be visiting SWAPPA in the coming weeks! :D

Some people like me prefer an overall experience, rather than impressive hardware specs. The small improvements contribute to it.

1.5ghz to 2.3ghz with improved power management for better battery life

Faster GPU to deal with latest highend games. The current Nexus 4 have throttling and can't play some of the latest games that smooth without rooting.

318 ppi to 441ppi display.

Improvement in camera with image stabilization, Megapixel =/= image quality.

1GB more ram.


16gb more storage space.

Android 4.4, latest updates. This alone is enough unless you own another Nexus.

I can achieve 3.5hrs screen on time with the Nexus 4 with a power hungry cpu and 2100mah battery capacity, of course the Nexus 5 is going to improve over it.

Hardware spec =/= overall experience. With much sharper display, faster performance, longer battery life and better photos, it will be an improvement. Even if you can't tell the difference in resolution, the 1080p screen will be much more comfortable to look at overtime. Tell me what other Android phone in the market with higher than 1080p resolution and newer chip than Snapdragon 800? Not to mention I have a strong suspicion this thing will support LTE. Just tell me what other device out right now do you consider a big upgrade because they all use the same spec, sure some devices have bigger screen therefor bigger battery capacity (bigger screen =/= upgrade btw), but that doesn't tell the whole story (and please don't mention something with more megapixels camera). This thing is going to sell $200-250 cheaper than any other flagship device, there should be no complaints on the hardware specs.

Compared to what? The Nexus 4 screen is kinda shit compared to the HTC ones and g2s of the world and the cpu will be a lot faster and more power efficient.

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I'm struck by the physical similarity of the purported N5 front and my Galaxy Nexus, as well as the shape of the device and button placement and sizing. Not too surprising, I guess, since it is another Nexus, but I'm glad to see that Google is continuing a layout that works.

Comparing the sizes and weights, the N5 is actually smaller and lighter than the GN, except for about a 0.76 mm width increase, despite its significantly larger screen.

That puts to bed, for me at least, any concerns about it being potentially too large.

Sorry VZW but this phone is way cooler than your LTE network. Goodbye. It's been real.

I really hope this isn't it, they're playing it too safe if this IS it.. Its a Nexus, it should lead with design, not follow

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Disappointed at the apparent lack of GLONASS. Phones that utilize GLONASS and GPS simultaneously get faster position locks and better low signal performance (ie in the city, cloudy days, ect). Hope this is wrong though.

Nice! (To say the least.)

So my questions is this (I'm not knowledgeable about various U.S. carrier frequencies): would CDMA and GSM/HSPA be built into the same handset? I have read that this phone supports LTE on AT&T, T-Mo, and Sprint. Would I be able to buy the phone and freely roam on AT&T, T-Mo, and Sprint (and/or their corresponding MVNOs) without having to worry about radio incompatibilities? (My understanding is that VOLTE would make that possible but that's no the option in 2013.)

If I can buy this phone, have it activated on Sprint, complete my contract with them and then take it over to T-Mo or one of the MVNOs contract-free, that'd be ideal!

Dreams, you say, or a possibility?

You wouldn't be roaming across carriers except in instances where they have specific agreements, i.e. if you activated it on Sprint you'd roam on VZW for voice and 2G data, or you'd roam on AT&T in markets where they have an agreement with Tmo... All of that only happens if you have absolutely no signal with your own carrier.

I think that's not the kind of roaming you meant tho... If the device does support the frequency bands that the FCC docs say it supports then you could absolutely do what you said in the latter part of your post (i.e. Switch carriers at will, batting contract ETFs). The technical ability to do that wasn't feasible until recently (part of the reason why the Nexus 4 launched with no official LTE support), but it's absolutely possible with the currently shipping SoCs and radios.

The only rub to all this are CDMA carriers like Sprint, they don't use a SIM card for programming the voice/3G account data (just for LTE AFAIK, that might've changed tho) so I'm not sure how they'll equip themselves to activate these devices... Usually if you have a Sprint device that you didn't buy direct (say you bought it used) you'd go to the site and register it, then activate it, but it's already preprogrammed for Sprint.

I guess since Sprint is the only major CDMA carrier they're supporting they might pre program them for Sprint and then switch to the SIM info for any other GSM carrier and MVNO?

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for the confusing terms I used. You're absolutely correct -- I meant "roaming" as in switching carriers at will. Yes, it remains to be seen how a "Google" Nexus will/can be activated on Sprint.

I suspect (read hope) they'll find a way because Sprint has generally been more accomodating of Google. But I think I'm done with contracts. Worst case scenario, I'll need to wait until my contract with Sprint is up. Then back to GSM carriers/MVNOs.

Yeah I'd say that's some sound logic... Google has a better history with Sprint than most other carriers outside Tmo (Galaxy S, Google Voice integration, Google Wallet, etc). I'm kind of on the same boat, tho I suspect you're probably more unhappy with Sprint than I am... Their LTE coverage in Puerto Rico has been improving visibly throughout pretty much the entire year (we were a second tier market, deployment wasn't official until summer and official just means they're like 50% done anyway). Even 3G speeds have improved a lot with NV...

That being said, AT&T still seems to have better data speeds in busy areas (and/or better building penetration, a mix of frequency used and number of enabled towers)... And Tmo is more hit or miss (worse coverage, better speeds when available). That's just what I'm able to gleam from reading local boards, asking friends, and borrowing my mother's or sister's phone ever so often tho... Meanwhile I'm still enjoying a 23% discount and unlimited (albeit sometimes pokey) data on Sprint ($64 bill before taxes etc, tough to beat for basically unlimited everything).

I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to be able to get a Nexus 5, ride out my Sprint contract, then grab AT&T/Tmo SIMs next summer and figure out for myself whether it's REALLY worth switching. Hell I think a lot of people across the US would enjoy that. It's never been all that viable... Nexus 4 might've spurred that on amongst GSM carriers if it didn't lack LTE, but the Nexus 5 will still be pretty timely with this recent wave of contract-less plans.

Seems like a losing proposition for Sprint to play ball but maybe they're willing to risk the gamble (only customers they're likely to lose in the short term are the ones that were free to go anyway).

It's kind of foolish to resist it anyway since the technology to make it possible is going into the phone either way, and they can't very well sell it on contact for a higher price (I'd hope) if Google sells the same thing for $300-400 online. I'm not sure I'd renew if somehow that ends up being the only way to get it on Sprint (much less One Up, which isn't terrible, but it's really only for those committed to not switching and upgrading yearly).

It has good specs overall.... but am not gonna lie.... disappointed if this 8 megapixel camera holds true?!?!?!? More and more signs point to yes.... but I guess I had too high of hopes with other places speculating 12 or 13 MP to keep up with high end phones..... usually not disappointed with anything coming out of Google.... this would probably be a first, and possibly the determining factor between getting this or the Note 3.

If only megapixel equates directly to image quality, it would be so much simpler to make a good camera, no need for those SLR lens.

my guesses (maybe obvious) -

16GB = $300
32GB = $350

October 14 - Announcement Date
October 30 - For Sale Date

My guess is announced a day before Halloween and for sale day after. Just a guess. But I guess it makes sense to announce it a little before Halloween due to KitKat.

if we go by recent history there will be a two week gap.

On October 29, 2012, Google announced the Nexus 4 and scheduled its launch for November 13, 2012.

Happy to see the specs are close to LG G2, will be hoping on some nice Dev work for Verizon version including Vanilla Android.

OK I'm super excited for this. Been waiting for it. Everything sounds great. Just one thing. Bluetooth 3...really. 3. 4LE is a must for this.

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I'm amazed at the amount of people that A) are griping about "only 8MP" and B) don't know what optical image stabilization is... Even if you were under a rock during the last ten years of camera developments and the last three years of smartphone camera progress, you'd think some basic Google searches would dispel so much ignorance (no offense).

APS-C DSLR and mirrorless ILC have been hovering around.16-18MP for like half a decade for a reason, sensors continued to improve in other areas but a jump in MP was usually not deemed as an advantage for quite a few reasons... Very often it'd just lead to additional noise and decent lenses under a few grand can't even resolve enough detail to take advantage of higher res sensors.

Over the last year or two some 24MP sensors stated showing up on mid-to high end consumer DSLR and some people actually realized it brought out imperfections on some of their existing and favored lenses... But even if you ignore that, the biggest advantage on the newest Sony sensors was actually the increased dynamic range and NOT the resolution, which only really helps if you're making poster sized prints or cropping away half the frame.

Megapixels were pushed higher and higher on compact P&S because it was easy to market that a larger number is moar good to the average naive consumer, but even that market woke up and took notice eventually. Most advanced compact cameras with quality lenses (your S110, LX7, LF1, G15, etc) usually hover at 10-12MP... THE exception is ShimSony's RX100 but that camera also has a larger sensor than any other compact.

So let's circle around back to phones, you really think the tiny lenses on these phones are capable of truly 13MP? Not even close, specially in anything but perfect light... Now I'm not trying to say HTC had it right and all phones should have 4MP sensors, ultimately it's a balancing act, but more is definitely not always better. At some point more MP just = more noise and a level of detail capture that the lens can't achieve.

There's a ton of other ways to improve a sensor besides MP, making it larger is the most direct way (advanced compacts and mirrorless/DSLR cameras have bigger lenses BECAUSE they have bigger sensors, not the other way around), but you can still make advances in dynamic range, high ISO performance etc while staying at the same amount of MP (like Canon, Panasonic, Sony, etc have been doing for years..).

Nokia's 1080 is more impressive due to the sensor size than the amount of MP they crammed into it, the latter are just used to preform interesting software tricks like downsampling and non-destructive zoom (i.e. pseudo cropping), and that wouldn't even be very effective on a smaller more conventional sensor size.

So the jury is still out on the N5 camera module as a whole IMO, if it has something like the One X's MP sensor combined with the OIS of the G2 and a decent large aperture lens then it could very well be better than the G2 or the One... They may have gone to an older (not necessarily) or lower MP sensor to cut costs simply because demand for it is lower, doesn't mean it'll preform any worse tho.

There's only so many sensor providers (Aptina, Sony, umm, I forget) and I'm sure they know MP sells, up to a point, so the newer highest MP sensor will cost more even if it's pointless. At the end of the day it's still only like one half to one third of the equitation tho. Lens, ISP, OIS, and even software tuning play a large role; hell you could get all that mostly right and have a crappy interface or a bizarre auto mode and still end up with a crap camera (hello Moto X pre-patch).

As far as OIS, someone else already posted a comment alluding as to why it helps (and I replied to expound on it), but just Google it... Or look at some cameras, any cameras, any decent model over $200 (probably lower) for the last six or eight years has had optical stabilization. Most interchangeable zoom lenses for DSLR and mirrorless cameras also have OIS tho it's sometimes called by other names (VR for Nikon, etc). Only lenses you'll often find without IS are large aperture non-zoom primes.

The degree to which it helps depends on the environment you're taking photos in, your subject (moving/static), and how steady your hands are; but it probably helps even more with phones than with cameras since they're lighter and potentially harder to keep steady, specially when you're tapping the thing right across the display to take a picture. It helps even in broad daylight tho.

New cameras and lenses are still tested to judge how good their IS is and there's varying degrees(some also have IBIS which moves the sensor rather than the lens element). Look at a site like Cameralabs and they'll usually tell you how much longer you can hold the shutter open while handheld (without inducing blur) on a certain lens/camera, as opposed to without the IS. Brian at Anandtech recently compared the IS of various phones while recording video too and some of the differences were vast...

It's too bad most blogs and enthusiast sites completely gloss over these things... And it's not always out of sheer ignorance. A guy like Jerry clearly knows his way around a camera but he either thinks this kinda thing would go way over the average reader's head or he just doesn't care that much about a phone's camera because they're still vastly behind the kind of camera he'd use when he's serious about his photos...

That's a shame IMO, because even tho I'd agree with that kinda sentiment to an extent (I'd still carry at least an advanced compact pocket camera in addition to a phone if I'm serious about the moment), there's a large number of people for whom their phone is their one and only camera and they deserve some critical assessment of the differences that 's not quite as technical as DP Review but not quite as dumbed down as AC, Verge, Engadget, etc. AT does a pretty good job but they don't have a lot of manpower nor do they cover every phone (or phones exclusively).

I see two tiny speaker grills, it could sound OK. Finally 32Gb! That has taken far too long. Pity they don't put a bigger battery in it.

Coincidentally, the weight and dimensions stated here seem to be exactly that of the Nexus 4's and not those found in the FCC filing.

The difference is small tho, could be placeholder estimates (tho the rest of the manual seems mostly spot on), the FCC does measure it themselves tho and who knows what mish mash of internal info the manual writer was working off while drafting tho. Definitely curious tho, but if it were signs of a fake it'd be the silliest thing to get wrong given that we had the FCC's numbers a while ago.

I just don't know if this is enough of an upgrade from my Nexus 4. I think the GN3 is in my future.. Don't get me wrong, I love stock Android, and the speedy updates, but I'm not sure that is enough anymore.

The Nexus 4 is still very much a well built beast, even price aside and will be great device for many months to come (and cutting edge via software), but this is certainly a worthy upgrade. I definitely don't need to upgrade, but I love new tech, and the way I see it a $400 device has been paid for every 5.33333 months by the money I'm now not paying verizon : )

I don't recall any mentioning of MEMS camera nor 24 bit audio (from G2). Maybe they will surprise me.

And still missing SD card! Atleast the spec is up to date and it has 32gig. Have to wait and see when its out. If it comes long before Galaxy S5 it is interesting otherwise i'm sure i will go with S5. Having SD and removable battery is just to good to skip.

Would someone explain to me what's the best way to get the Nexus 5 for Verizon (including service)?

I understand that one of the pro's of a Nexus phone is that it has a cheap off-contract price.

But to my understanding the monthly plan is not any cheaper if you are on or off contract.

So wouldn't you always want to sign up for a 2 year contract and pay for a subsidized phone?

(To my knowledge only lower end carriers have cheaper off-contract monthly rates. And only Verizon and ATT&T have service I can rely on for work)