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Agreement covers current patents and any filed during the next decade

Some pretty heavy hitting news of a patent nature this fine Sunday evening, with the announcement of a cross-licensing deal between Google and Samsung. This agreement between the creators of Android and its biggest OEM covers all current patents held by both parties, and any future ones that should be filed during the next 10 years. 

“We’re pleased to enter into a cross-license with our partner Samsung,” said Allen Lo, Deputy General Counsel for Patents at Google. “By working together on agreements like this, companies can reduce the potential for litigation and focus instead on innovation.”

Without dropping names, it could be intimated that the last part of the above comment – and certainly a follow up one that you'll find at the source link below – be directed towards Apple, with whom Samsung has been embroiled in patent lawsuits with for far too long now. Samsung and Google may not have ever been seen as direct threats to each other, but cross-licensing is definitely a more productive outcome to filing endless lawsuits. 

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tiroger says:

"...but cross-licensing is definitely a more productive outcome to filing endless lawsuits". But then how would lawyers feed their families?

I'm sure they'll find a way. Plenty of other reasons for lawyers to go to work :P

NoNexus says:

Whats with the spam links?

mssca says:

You got the point... Lawyers are one of the reasons why innovations creates more problems than solutions.

hodan says:

Lawyers are just another bullet in a company's gun. Those lawyers are doing EXACTLY what their client says.

I think this deal makes perfect sense. Circle the wagons.

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gripplies says:

That's something to think about now that Google and Samsung put up a force shield around Android and Marijuana is beginning to be as common as a cigarettes. What will they do? Lol

mveltkamp says:

Soooo , Samsung has access to Motorola patents?

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Jay Holm says:

THAT is a good question!

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If the headline was "Samsung and Motorola"enter into an agreement then maybe. Plus Google patents aren't Android patents per set are they?

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Grahaman27 says:

Most likely the other way around, since all OEMS have access to androids code...

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lucas710 says:

Oh so GS4 might get "OK google now" :):):)

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VAVA Mk2 says:

If you mean active listening in future Touch Wiz home launchers, then probably.

hodan says:

Samsung chose to not use those features. This isn't a deal for "features or apps" It's a deal to freely share patent rights.

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MERCDROID says:

This!

NoNexus says:

yeah a patent and a finished product are 2 different things.

What can happen is that Samsung can develop the features without fear of Motorola/Google coming after them.

Same can be said for Smart Stay

gripplies says:

Samsung with Kevlar and not plastic and a Moto X pen or an M pen. Lol

thatguy97 says:

Good question I would think so

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Polyacci says:

And vice versa. But am sure not all patents. Some are bound to be kept out of the deal

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Wollombi says:

I would assume so, since the agreement "covers all current patents held by both parties, and any future ones that should be filed during the next 10 years."

murof says:

I wonder how this affects tizen development /rollout.

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yorello23 says:

Tizen is on hold for the states...

Jay Holm says:

It is in Korea also.

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There's a Tizen event at MWC next month. So it's not necessarily on hold for long :)

murof says:

I wonder if the hold was due to negotiations. Nothing is to say they can't delay the event at mwc as well.

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Considering invitations were sent out just this past week, I'd say it's unlikely that it won't be going ahead

MERCDROID says:

+1

MERCDROID says:

That's nice to know. I'm excited to see how Tizen development has gone so far.

NoNexus says:

+1 as long as Samsung doesn't get cocky about it.

MERCDROID says:

Haha +1

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gripplies says:

Use Blur to help polish Tizen up I bet

MERCDROID says:

Ummm... No?

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NoNexus says:

+1000

hodan says:

It doesn't. Samsung isn't Google's bitch now.

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MERCDROID says:

I like it. This is definitely a step in the right direction. Now, if only the other tech companies (Apple, Microsoft, Blackberry,etc) would agree to cross-licensing patents, to end all of the litigation nonsense.

Don't forget Qualcomm. Those guys just picked up a hellova patent package

Jay Holm says:

Qualcomm has been doing an awesome job the past couple years, Qualcomm is pushing Intel in the same direction Google is pushing Microsoft.

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hodan says:

Except Intel is in legitimate trouble and MS just had a record quarter.

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NoNexus says:

I don't know why, but Intel reminds me of BlackBerry. I just naturally associate the two...and they are heading in the same direction...

MERCDROID says:

Totally forgot about that. Thanks, Mr. Devine!

Grahaman27 says:

Microsoft and apple have cross licensing agreements for many patents for wp.

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MERCDROID says:

True, but those don't benefit the Android ecosystem in any way, shape, or form.

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This is excellent. They clearly have their reasons for doing so and the future of both companies' devices should be pretty awesome. I wanna see more companies doing this! Patent wars are really stupid.

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MERCDROID says:

+1

Jay Holm says:

Hopefully this will help to further combat Apple! Bouyeah!

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Now Apple is going to start another lawsuit saying that they had this idea first

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mssca says:

+1; they are always complaining. Apple wants a monopoly, but other global companies like Samsung is leveling the field.

hodan says:

Samsung already has a monopoly on Android devices...

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NoNexus says:

That word doesnt mean what you think it means. If they had a monopoly then there would be no other Android devices (how many iOS phones do you see not made by Apple?)

They are far and away the biggest, and arguably brightest, Android OEM but far from a monopoly.

MERCDROID says:

This.

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shaytoon21 says:

+1

Jay Holm says:

Does anyone think Apple's culture of litigation has changed at all in the 2+ years since Steve Jobs passed?

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MERCDROID says:

I think it has. Rockstar Consortium aside, I honestly believe Apple has slowed down on litigation. And, remember that they struck a deal with HTC; Steve Jobs wouldn't have struck any deals with ANY Android OEMs.

hodan says:

Agreed that Jobs wouldn't have made the HTC deal, but Apple hasn't slowed on the litigation front. They've got suits pending all over the world.

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NoNexus says:

I havent seen them filing new ones, just settling the old ones.

The Nexus Note 5 ;-;

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Kiamat says:

So does this mean we can expect an update to Google Play Services that allows Galaxy Gear compatibility for non-Samsung devices?

No.

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Jay Holm says:

"Galaxy Gear"? Oh, you mean that outrageously overpriced $299 thing?

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jomcty says:

BOOM goes the dynamite!

SEGROUKIN says:

It's safe to say Samsung is android or has saved android right?

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pattavino says:

No

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Orion78 says:

Lmao don't be ridiculous.

Jay Holm says:

"Saved"? Android never needed saving.

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Zig261 says:

Really? Who before had made Android keep Apple shaking at their boots before Samsung came into the picture with the Galaxy S2?

Let's wait.

NoNexus says:

While your right, it didnt need saving, Samsung made Android what it is today. Fortunately, other OEMs stepped up as well and we have a nice, diverse, selection of devices...

MERCDROID says:

Spot on!

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Jay Holm says:

Thanks for replying! I don't want to get any replies from that guy Zig261.

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Wollombi says:

I would argue that Motorola and Verizon did that. Android really gained consumer mindshare with the Droid line that Verizon pushed heavily, and rather successfully. Samsung had made what, one Android phone (Galaxy Nexus) before that? Moto/Verizon really pushed the public notice of the platform, and made some very innovative phones, but unfortunately, they were only available on Verizon. Samsung stepped in and built on that, but they didn't make Android what it is today by a long shot.

agray92024 says:

It didn't need saving but it needed recognition and iOS would still be dominating the mobile community if it wasn't for the Samsung brand. Samsung made people like myself leave spoke because android finally had a true flagship phone.

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shaytoon21 says:

multi window needs to be implemented all across android ASAP.

thisiscjay says:

Or, at the very, least with the Moto X product line.

Zig261 says:

Why specifically Moto X? What about Nexus? Or any phone that uses stock android?

But then again you sound like a Motorola fanboy.

Grahaman27 says:

Because not all phones/tablets can handle it.

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sk3litor says:

Absolutely not. Multi Window is the kind of thing that should stay proprietary. It was a brilliant innovation by Samsung so they deserve to reap the benefits. I think people are misunderstanding the point of this. I don't think it means that both companies now have access to each others full catalog of patents. I think there's many stipulations that are involved. But samsung still needs to be able to create awesome features that someone would have to buy a Samsung device to use. But I do think this isa great thing. It just shows maturity to put childish things aside and move forward amicably.

teejay69 says:

Palm created multi Windows and cards I believe!

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hodan says:

And the smartphone.

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MERCDROID says:

+1

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drokssilva says:

+1

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drokssilva says:

Multi window was not invented by Samsung. Maybe in mobile oses.

Also, they are using googles os, so yeah.

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TomW093 says:

Why? It will be laggy as hell on lower spec'd devices like the Moto G, and would be a pain to use on small devices like the Zperia Z Compact and (again) the Moto G.

caesantos says:

So all Android devices will have lag? LOL...
Or maybe the contrary, all Samsung smartphones won't have lag anymore.

Anon8154066 says:

This should be productive and provide the consumers with the best outcome a better experience for all.

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Paola1993 says:

That's a good move.. For Samsung?

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tdizzel says:

Nothing beats cross licensing deals Period.

drokssilva says:

+1.

the most agreeable Richard yarell type comment

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MERCDROID says:

+1 lol

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Anon8154066 says:

^^^^richard yarrel is using a different name. We know it's you lol

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Zig261 says:

If Google can get a cross licensing agreement with the entire OHA, we can finally have a more united Android which means potential possibilities for less fragmentation.

teejay69 says:

This will be big, and ultimately give us killer phones that will update instantly! I'm in!

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Jay Holm says:

Think this will result in faster updates?

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hodan says:

Nope. Updates have nothing to do with access to patent use.

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sk8trix says:

They can flex their muscle and crush apple, but on a serious note I'm happy to see Samsung and Google working together this hopefully means better Samsung,Motorola,and nexus devices in the future and less shit to deal with from Apple.

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hodan says:

Samsung already has access to everything in Android but the Moto X active listening and touch less control. I guarantee the second they learned about those Moto features they started a team of engineers on their own version.
This is a legal move, not a consumer move.

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Jay Holm says:

I thought the Snapdragon 800 enables that feature?

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Zig261 says:

If they did then don't you think every latest Android phone right now with it would be boasting the Active and Touchless feature for appeal?

NoNexus says:

Considering the X and those features just came out in the "end of year" product cycle, no they wouldnt have had the time.

This year though can be a different story...

MERCDROID says:

The "active listening" feature used by the Moto X is indeed a feature of the Snapdragon 800 processor. However, that doesn't mean that the software doesn't need to first be implemented to integrate that hardware feature into the UI.

Samsung could very well have created that feature, but they would have had to work around the Motorola patent to do so. Now, if that patent is owned by Google and included in the cross-licensing deal, then they are free to exercise Motorola's implementation and integrate that feature into future versions of TouchWiz (or whatever they call future versions of their UI).

NoNexus says:

I wish they would ditch that name, but they will not. They spent too much time making it their own...

drokssilva says:

Isn't the new tablet called the magazine ux

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MERCDROID says:

Yeah, it is indeed called Magazine UX. That was the name that was given at CES. Only time will tell, if Samsung decides to change the name or the look.

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NoNexus says:

Yeah but the SGS3 was "Nature UX" but still going under the Touchwiz name for the skin itself.

UX or user experience is more about look and feel than functionality and the overall package

MERCDROID says:

Maybe they will, sometime in the future. I don't care about the name, as much as I care about the features and optimizations.

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NoNexus says:

They need the optimizations now. The ROM I run on my Note proves that there is some crappy coding in there.

all the functions, half the space.

Taz89 says:

Well to be fair Samsung all ready had the always on kind of thing for a while now on the s4, it's just not on by default and wasn't that great.. Point being using voice to control your phone in certain manners isn't new to Samsung so I think it's unfair to say if samsung improve on there voice Control they are copying.

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tanker8764 says:

drokssilva says:

Thanks for that.

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MERCDROID says:

Hey, sometimes, the best thing to say is nothing at all.

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drokssilva says:

@Merc

That's why I said thanks!

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MERCDROID says:

=)

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tdizzel says:

I'm not sure I agree with that

Joel E says:

Argh....can someone please explain this in laymans terms? Just a nice simple unbiased explanation please.

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NoNexus says:

It simply means that Samsung and Google are promising to not sue each other for apps/products/features that closely resemble each other. Like if Samsung comes up with a version of Active Notifications, Google will not sue...

Joel E says:

Thanks NoNexus.
Well thats some pretty damn good news then. Curious to see if/how this affects the S5.

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NoNexus says:

Anytime

I don't know about the S5. Either they had something in the works already and needed the patents to make sure they could launch it or it is too late for this to help with that.

It is a bit late in the game for them to be putting something in now. I am guessing that the next TW version is close to being finalized. I am sure the feature set is by now..

Jay Holm says:

NoNexus and MERCDROID are my favorite commenters on Android Central.

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NoNexus says:

Hey thanks!

Your comments are none too shabby yourself!

MERCDROID says:

+9000

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MERCDROID says:

Thanks, brother!!

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Jon Pham says:

I was gonna ask the same. Thank god someone chimed in

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NoNexus says:

It would be great if they got HTC in on this one and really circle the wagons.

MERCDROID says:

+1

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Great for Android cuz the last thing we needed was Google and Samsung against each other in a lawsuit. So much for the mongers who say Samsung would kill android with tizen or other sort of conspiracy theories. You're welcome to skate your wisdom.
This is actually a positive development between the tech giants who are currently at the top thanks to each other.

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Does this mean multi window in vanilla android ??? .......

Nexus 4 going for Nexus 6

I think it was an excellent idea for Samsung and Google to do this. I honestly can't see any harm coming out of this.

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caesantos says:

Nexus 6 by Samsung...

MartyDel says:

+23 1/3

That's what I was thinking, (hoping for actually), that it'll be Samsung doing the next iteration of nexus -

Samsung Nexus 6 --- The Blade Runner Edition.....sic!

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RusticKey says:

It COULD be the very first Nexus Note, which sounds interesting.

My device went through hell to send this message.

Sounds like progress. Why can't we all just get along? Lets cross-license with EVERYONE!

MERCDROID says:

+9000 This would be absolutely amazing.

But, it's important to note, we want these cross-licensing deals to be voluntary, not court-ordered.

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