The world's largest phone-maker has issued its guidance for the third quarter of the 2014 fiscal year and warns that there may be a steep drop in profits from a year ago and from the previous quarter. With the guidance, this would be the fourth consecutive quarter that Samsung's profits are slumping. Operating profit could drop by as much as 60 percent.
Samsung says that it expects to make 4.1 trillion won, or $3.8 billion, in operating profit for the quarter ended September 30, roughly a 60 percent decline from the same quarter a year ago of 10.2 trillion. Similarly, sales were also down, coming in at 47 trillion won, or 20 percent less than a year ago.
Samsung says that though smartphone sales were slightly up, profits were hurt by increased marketing costs and lower prices.
The full earnings report, due later this month, will give us more information about Samsung's financial performance.
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Samsung warns of steep decline in profits in Q3 F2014 guidance
Still making a sh*tload of money. Can't feel too sorry for them...
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I got trashed talked on here when I said things like, the Note 4 won't be selling as well with Apple releasing the 6 plus..... Guess we will wait and see when the Note comes out. I'm glad these touchjizz phones are on a decline.
But they have sold more phones. Where is it in the article where it mentions a decline in phone sales. They spent to much money on advertising and that is the problem here.
Touch wiz, subpar build quality and increased competition in both high and low end phones.
ITS A WONDERFUL DAY HAHAHAHAHAHA....everyone has samsesung cheap phone ..how many profit they made? apple is not number one in the world but they have LOTS OF PROFITS and thats the most important hahahahahahhaha
Sales are up, that tells me they are doing better, everyone here is just focusing on they only made $3.8 billion which is less than they made last year. If sales are up then they aren't in danger, they just spent more on marketing than before (imagine that with all the commercials), had they not marketed as much as they did this whole thread is different because profits would be up.
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No surprise, it hasn't been a great year for Samsung after a few major mistakes on the S5 and pricing of lower tier devices. They could have priced the Note 4 a little lower also. I think they're regrouping with some what of a better strategy now so next year won't be like this. They have the resources to bounce back pretty quickly.
That's alright. Get 'em Q4, Sammy.
Samsung smartphones haven't appealed to me in years, though. And I think fake-ass leather and faux metal trim is about as bargain basement as it gets. With that said, the Note 4 and Alpha design is a huge improvement. And the Alpha 2 will likely get serious consideration from me.
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This is what happens when you release way to many phones and support none of them in the long run. Too many faulty products (faulty batteries and all). Stupid old Touchwiz interface. I was a Samsung fan back in the Galaxy S and Galaxy SII days! They provided updates to those handsets for 2 years with latest Android versions. Then they got lazy and busy releasing too many handsets. I can't believe they even decided not to update Galaxy s3 to KitKat. That's one of your Flagship Damn it. And even for the updates, it takes 6 months for them to Rollout to all regions. Samsung is gonna die real soon. My suggestion: just keep one Flagship, one mid range, and one low end handset per year and also one phablet (ie Galaxy Note). That's a total of 4 handsets each year. Update those handsets with OTA for 2 years with every Android release and within 3 months and to all regions. Concentrate on quality not quantity.
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You have hit the nail on the head in my opinion, quality over quantity and timely updates and support.
Touchwiz is a fucking nightmare of a UI along with all the preinstalled junk.. 82 Apps I have disabled, mostly Samsung crap that can't be deleted,
I too have always had Samsung smartphones (Apart from a iPhone 3Gs) and all the Samsung phones I have owned have had major problems that required fixing under warranty.
Updates from Samsung are a joke and usually come riddled with major bugs. My current Note3 will be my last Samsung purchase.
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Only if HTC could make that annually, lol.
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I've always said that the biggest threat to samsung has never been Apple, their greatest threat has always been the Chinese android OEM. Say what you may, but the longterm growth for Android phone OEM is going to come from emerging markets were people are very price sensitive & this my friend is a market that the Chinese android OEM know very well & can compete based on price all day long.
Let's be honest, the upward profit trajectory couldn't continue indefinitely and Samsung realizes that. Heck, as the likes of Huawei, OPPO, Xiaomi etc continue to develop phones that pack tons of features for a reason price when compared to the likes of Samsung, HTC & Motorola then consumers like me that prefer to buy my devices outright will be more inclined to purchase these other brands.
Samsung is fighting a battle on two fronts the high end & I low end segment, in order to compete in the high end segment a ton of marketing $$$ has to be spent to differentiate it from other competitors and in the low segment it has to compete on price which is never good for the bottom line in the long-term.
Samsung have a huge range of products, Android phones are just one factor in this situation. It would be interesting to hear how Samsung could improve their position within mobile, long term
They are still dominant an Android smart phones; but is that just due to advertising spend? Improving perception through materials and finish would help; so would dropping most of the clutter in TW and Samsung Apps. However, I still value a removable battery and micro SD card (a lesson some others have now learned).
A real break through in Android Tablets is overdue. Samsung have done a lot with the Note, and Tab Pro and Tab S. But even Android users don't say Samsung tablets make the iPad look stupid - so why?
The issue here seems to be UI and ecosystem; areas Google should have addressed some time ago. I still think Android tablets could be fantastic; and Samsung could do that. But what do all of you really want from Android tablets? Samsung's biggest problem seems to be a lack of clarity in design and objectives - so what would YOU tell them to change?
Well . . . I still like my Note 3 ;-)
Samsung isn't going anywhere
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Yes they are... Going down.
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They have gotten far to comfortable in the galaxy design. Yes the galaxy design was a fresh look years ago. All their latest phones look identify from a reasonably distance. For instance the s3 s4 and s5 and note 3 and 4 are almost identical. Granted the size is bigger on various phones but it's almost becoming "same shit tweaked in a different box"
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Yep.... harder to tell the differences between the phones. When the new Nexus comes out, watch what happens to the Note next year.
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I don't think they have a clear strategy. They use the throw everything against the wall and see what sticks approach and they are one of the few companies that can do it. They are large enough and have enough resources to do it but it does have a price tag. With the strategy the designs are mostly the same. the note series has not changed really just the size mostly. I will give them credit for the note edge. It is something new. I think they need to really clean house and organize their handset division in a way that works in terms of software and hardware to create a good product. Forget the design of touch wiz, which does need work badly. They do so many gimmicky stuff in touch wiz they don't do anything spectacularly well. That is why I won't buy a Samsung. They don't do anything great just OK. Everything just looks forced in there and not organized or well thought out. It just thrown on a canvas and hope it turns out well.
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It takes a lot these days to demand a premium, unless you're in the Apple cult. Streamlining offerings to provide compelling choices without spamming us with phones would be a great start. I don't hate Samsung but they've got to do a bit more to justify the hefty price tag.
Samsung's problem overall is not in the phone division, it's in other areas - tvs, appliances. But they do still have problems with declining margins in the phone division as the market prices move lower. New Moto X is $499 for a base handset, and it's a contender against the S5 - why would you pay $100+ more? Even if it had a bigger battery and OIS for $50 more, one would still have to ask oneself why they would prefer a Samsung. Samsung comes with a few extra niceties (water & dust proofing, fingerprint scanner) but to an average person, those are not necessary.
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For all you people who don't care for TouchWiz, use a freaking Android Launcher! Samsung still makes the best smartphones on the market. IOS users accept Apple devices that are just low end specs with a launcher on top.
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*ahem*
LAUNCHER =/= SKIN
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iOS device are low end specs which are kicking every android hardware devices behing. Apple has the best soc hardware and software that's optimise like no other. But butthurt fans can't deal with that LMFAO!!!
The only place where it wins is the camera, but on other benchmarks it's slower. Not worth $150+ more!
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Proof or you just blowing shit out of your mouth
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I keep hearing that iPhone has the best camera, but no one I know who owns an iPhone is able to get a decent photo out of it unless they're in a perfect lighting scenario.
That's because the iPhone does NOTHING compared to Android. The iPhone is a place holder for apps and that's it. It's contacts are atrocious, customization is atrocious, and it's flat out ugly.
Yeah, that iOS 8 sure was optimized, alright! Hey, did they get that right the second or third try? And, did it fix all the 4s wireless problems that Apple is in denial over? Probably not. But, hey; enjoy your new Samsung iWannabe device!
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I'm not sure what a "behing" is, but I'm still not convinced that Apple is kicking every Android device's whatever it is. I really don't care what Apple's benchmark scores are, if the OS won't allow me to do the things I do every day on my Android device. You've been trolling here long enough to know we don't care, toukale. You're not winning. We all think you're a joke. You're like that annoying kid that runs around the party, talking through his nose, interrupting everyone's conversations thinking he's funny and clever, but really everyone's just wishing he would go home.
That's not going to remove the bloatwiz underneath. They make the crappiest overall experience high end android phone. Moto, HTC and every other OEM are better than the Samsung crap.
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enjoy your wannabe iphone
They aren't winning against Apple in the high-end and are getting beaten by Chinese manufacturers on the low-end. It's a tough position for Samsung to be in.
Can't say it wasn't unexpected. Their high-end devices aren't compelling enough to drag people away from Apple and on the low-end it just come down to price.
They're still making boat loads of cash though, so I wouldn't be too worried.
I don't think that's entirely fair to Samsung. They make good devices, though not perfect - no one is perfect. But Apple is, in this case, very special. It's a cult. Samsung has had features that are years ahead of Apple but because everyone was mesmerized by Steve Jobs and they were the first ones to do it big and do it right, Apple had a very big lead. Between inertia, ignorance, fear and just plain tribalism like the troll in these comments, it's hard to turn most Apple people away to a different product.
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But the thing is that not everything is about features, how many features have Sam put out that most people do not give a crap about? That is not going to help them, what Sam needs is a game changer, otherwise everyone should be concerned about them. Getting tag teamed from the Chinese on low end products, and from Apple on high end and over 4" products will hurt them, take that to the bank.
Don't forget the ecosystem buy-in. And that the most persuasive marketing usually comes from friends, so you will always have those people out there who go around telling their friends "stay away from that Android crap" even though they themselves have never even touched an Android device. Or, if they have, it was one of those $50 pre-paid devices that are actually crap, but they're comparing it to a $900 iPhone. I have actually seen friends make that comparison on several occasions.
I don't understand why Apple fanboys seem to be rejoicing that Samsung sales are going down. It's not because android users are turning to Apple products. More likely because they have plenty of alternatives inside the Android world. I myself am so tempted by an HTC phone but I have got so used to the s-pen that I think I would miss it if I got a different handset. Anyway Android is still on top and that's what matters.
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Sales are up, profits are down.
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Everyone should crap on Samsung, the amount of money they charge for a phone running crap touchwiz is not cool. They deserve this.
Moto, HTC, Sony, to a certain extent LG who copies Samsung most of the time have all moved forward with software refinements. Except Samsung they keep crapping touchwiz with useless gimmicks.
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I agree with the amount Sammy charges for a phone, but look at Apple. They take the crown for gouging their customers so if anyone deserves this...it's Apple.
I agree to that Sammy needs to tone down TW...a lot! But as far as "gimmicks" you speak of, you can turn them off and never use them again. Incase you don't know how, they are usually marked with "off" or "disable".
The problem is that Samsung is a bit of trouble here, they have been affected by the Chinese Oems now producing low end and cheap phones and that is not going to stop. What is more alarming to Sam is that the iPhone6 has not had any affect yet but it will, it will because Apple had had 0% of the marketshare on phones over 4", that is going to change. Samsung will be tag teamed by Chinese OEMs and Apple at the same time, not a good sign for them.
I still argue that there is not nerely as much of the market that wasn't Apple *only* because of screen size. The iPhone 6 did well launch weekend, but they didn't "blow it out of the water" like they were going to suddenly regain 20% of the market. At best, I expect their market share will go a few of points.
Hey Samsung. I know a way to save operating profit is to not have constant NEW product rollouts. Every couple of weeks it seems I see a new tablet or a new smartphone! You seem to be cannibalizing your own products. And I'm a Samsung fan too!
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+1. Too many variations. They could save a little on marketing if they could focus and not have to market 17 different phones. (hyperbolic number, I know.)
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So basically they still made a shit ton of money just not as big of a shit ton as last year lol
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This is probably one of the most straightforward comments in this endless thread of fanboy (doesn't matter whose side either) textual diarrhea.
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Yup.
Why would people want to be stuck in their phones their whole lives .. People see something new and they're going to go to it ..
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Not surprised. Been waiting for this to happen for a while. Hate to say it but they had it coming.
I dipped into the AT&T store today. I helf the iphone 6 plus and the Note 4. I decided to buy a Note 3 off Craigs list 3 months ago. I had never owned any smart phone aside from an iphone. I owed a 3, 3g, 4, 4s. I never went above 4s because I was waiting for a bigger phone and never felt the 5 & 5s where worth the investment. I also owned an iPod 2, ipad 1, ipad 2 which I just gave to my mom and currently own an ipad air. My 11-year old son has and iPod 4, ipad mini that I jailbroke, and an ipad 4 that I jailbroke. I also own an Apple tv. That being said I could not wait to start breaking away from Apple. I love my Note 3 and prefer android. Keep in mind my iPhones were also jailbroken so I always wanted more. That being said I stopped in the AT&T store today and held the iphone 6 plus and the Note 4 in my hands today. IMO the Note 4 just felt like the premium product. The iphone 6 plus is just a single piece of aluminum. Boring and it does not feel like a premium product. There is nothing about it that feels awesome. The note was just damn nice. Interesting! Fun. It looked amazing. The iphone UI looked exactly the same as my 4s which I hated. As someone who has too much money invested in Apple and not a troll.....They're is just no comparison IMO. The Note was awesome. This is just my opinion as a long time Apple user.
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OK...lol
Get your sorry iOS loving ass out of here. Please stop trolling, we don't go there to fuck with you
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Butthurt is the best ... LMFAO!!! could not happen to a nicer copycat company /s.
Toukale
Almost no one on here gives a shit about samsungs financial wellbeing. There is always going to be high end and midrange hardware running android available to the masses. Manufacturer success will vary with time in a competitive market, especially those using the same platform. But the hardware and the software will always be there. regardless of manufacturer. And it's only going to get better, and better as time goes on. So shut the fuck up
You may hate samsung, and that's fine, no one cares.....but you need to realize that android isn't something that can be stopped. Once it gained a significant amount of marketshare, the open nature of the platform ensured it's rapid growth and adoption. Now it's too late for anyone else. It's just apple, and google that are relevant. That's it. And android is the BORG. Resistance is futile.
It's global marketshare will only grow.....and grow.... and grow.....so get over it
Ok, so, what exactly is your goal, here? You're wasting hours of your life trolling on an Android site, lol. I've never met an Apple fan that wasn't subscribed to iMore and that literally spends hours on a website dedicated to an OS that they have no interest in. Is there a reason for this?
Are you bored? No life?
Seriously, kid, get out more.
I just said I recently turned to android. That makes me a troll? What is wrong with you people? I posted my opinion stating I was done with Apple. Why is it you guys make this your life and anyone who does not like exactly what you like is a troll. If you like Samsung your a troll. These are phones! You people need to get lives. People here have the same zero tolerance as Apple sheep. I just started coming here as a new android convert. I am completely turned off from this behavior. Grow up.
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Merc wasn't talking to you.
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I think he wants an Android device so bad he's foaming at the mouth but either can't afford one or his wife threatened with divorce if he left Apple.
Fyi....I'm not a kid. I'm an over 40 women and mom who is a productive member of society. I enjoy reading articles here but I see commenting is not respected here whatsoever.
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They aren't responding to you. They are kicking toukatroll's ass.
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Please don't misunderstand. We're happy to have you here. Toukale is the mindless troll they are refering to.
Grow up kid
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Its plain and simple, since 2011 nothing beats a steep decline in profits PERIOD. Declining profits are the GOLD STANDARD. Increasing profits are comical. Declining is Android and nothing else matters.
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
It seems people are finally realising they are paying for marketing when they purchase $600 plastic phones with bloatwiz.
No. As the article says, they saw an increase in cellphone sales BUT due to increased marketing costs and the race to the bottom driving prices down, their profit margins would be lower.
Samsung has only been able to command a premium in recent years because of better marketing. Basically, they've been somewhat mimicing the cultlike following Apple has, while others have been catching up.
The expansion of handsets for emerging markets is a different thing and they missed the boat. Samsung is getting trapped in wanting to be everything for all people and not doing a good job of it. The only way to stay ahead is to continue to market wildly and trade on their old reputation. The problem is that the internals don't match the value of the reputation at that level and you have better choices from Motorola, Huawei, or those smaller Chinese phone makers.
To me, though, it sounds like Samsung has more work to do across the board, but especially with its other electronic offerings, like TVs. If you want a premium price you have to command it with premium internals.
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What none of the android oem's seems to graps is that there is no loyalty on android, and google does not have your interest in mind. Google's only interest is to spread android all over so they can collect people's data while using those oem's to do it. Google's initiative is to drive the cost of the hardware down to zero and the strange thing too is everyone of those oem's are helping them do it at their expense for a short term spike in profits.
Those eom's did not learn a damn thing from the pc industry, asked dell, hp, ibm and all the rest how well that worked out for them. Those oem's need to understand they don't control their destiny, if you don't make the os or control the ecosystem, then you are in no better position then all those box makers from the pc industry. We all know who got the better deal from that industry.
The reality is that they are trying to make it up on volume. Android itself is free but demand is for accessible hardware. For all its vaunted stature, most people cannot afford an iPhone and there is much money to be made in getting smartphones into the next billion people's hands.
Apple makes great profits only because they've managed to obtain the most ignorant sector of the market and hooked them. Look at the lemmings that used to think that 4.7" was too big rushing out to buy the iPhone 6+.
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People are rushing to buy it because it is an iPhone, the only original of the current smartphone world.
lol. You need to bottle whatever it is that makes you such a cult follower and make some money off it.
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right back at ya.
But you just said no one is loyal to Android...
Ok dude. People were carrying pocket PC smartphones before the ipod let alone the iPhone. Get your facts straight.
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You mean like the newton, that was way ahead of it's time. You guys forgot about that didn't you? It uses a stylus too and most of all, that where ARM based chip design got it's start btw. Another thing apple got started btw.
People like you disgust me, so Apple chose the ignorant sector of the market? Ignorant comment from a a very ignorant person.
He didn't say ignorant. Apple's marketing (since ~2007) has been all about the "bandwagon". They marketed the iPhone as a status symbol and people ate it up. Look at all the people who will *rabidly* argue that Apple "invented" the smartphone. You only have to look up a few inches on the screen to see an example of that.
The innovated, yes. And they definitely took a big risk at the time. Smartphones had been around for a while, but were pretty much the exclusive cache of the high-profile business types. Those who had money and power and wanted to show it. Most manufacturers thought the general consumer wouldn't *want* a smart phone, so very few made them. Steve Jobs saw an opportunity and found a way to convince the world that it was the coolest thing ever. It definitely changed the face of the mobile landscape. I'm glad it did. But I'm never buying another iOS device.
The reputation about Apple being for non-tech people, something many Apple loyalists are proud of, is the sense in which I used the term. People who know nothing. Sorry you don't like it but they are by definition ignorant. It wasn't meant to be pejorative, but descriptive. But I sense that that wouldn't matter to an Apple loyalist.
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If controlling the hardware and software was the key, Microsoft would be smashing everyone on the market with the Surfaces. They aren't. And they sure as hell won't do it with smartphones either. Which is why they're focusing the company (and correctly so) on their software offerings (which is what they do well).
Not all companies can pull out a Apple-type business. Not even Apple. If it weren't for Microsoft's bailout, they'd be gone by now. They got really lucky with the iPhone and then knew how to build on that. But even Apple only survives on the support of the iSheep and by simply not diversifying. You either pay what they ask or you don't get it.
They don't produce at the massive volumes of the other OEMs, they don't do cheap phones, they don't bend to carriers, they do nothing they don't want to.
And even when you're on top and control the hardware and the OS, that isn't a guarantee of anything. Just look at what happened with Nokia.
Sheep huh is the reason apple is still in business. What happens to all the android and Samsung sheep then?
Yes, sheep. Rejoice that you are finally getting features available 2 years ago or more!
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I am getting these features on a quality products, I used Android for 3 years before I ever used an Apple product and I am glad I don't use these garbage products anymore.
Again, "quality" is subjective. I don't find Apple products to be all that "premium". I don't want a metal phone, partially because I know how WiFi and radio signals in general work. Neither do I want a device that dictates how I'm going to use it. If you prefer iOS, enjoy. But quit acting like everyone who doesn't agree with you or Toukale is wrong. That's just childish.
Get a life, dude. It's just a phone. I won't argue that they are quality, I argue that they are overpriced and not as good a value. The relative differences between the platforms are generally small, hardware and software included. But enjoy being 2 years behind!
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Better inside antenna that would be awesome....
Yeah, work on that samsung
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Oh yeah a better inside antenna, that will blow the competition away
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Most S4 and Note 3 owners aren't going to buy the S5 and Note 4. Not to mention all the other phone models and tablets they put out...
They're doing too much and they're paying for it...
Hopefully they'll slow down and focus on a more concise device portfolio...
Come out with a good high tech phone without carrier bloatware... at a reasonable price.
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What does "carrier bloat" has to do with Samsung? Maybe you need to start purchasing unlocked phones at full price.
Only reason why I went with Samsung was their integration of the spen. I like it so thts y I got the note. I was not satisfied when I got the s3. I have a s4 but it's eh. I tried the note 4 at best buy and it's relly nice. I think I'll only stick to the note line.
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yeah, my sales would slump too if i made 230249 variants of my note and "s" lineup.
dear samsung, stick to note and "s" series. those are ur only 2 pushers (im talking mobile) and yet u decide to make a million diff variants for each country on earth. smart move.
Seeing how there are people who want smartphones but don't want to or can't afford to pay that much for a phone, it is a smart move.
It's not a smart marketing move. There are already hundreds of cheaper Android devices. Samsung cannot continue to cater to a few people.
Samsung makes a ton of cash off cheap devices though.
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right, so you make a "cheaper" version of your S series. not come up with a thousand variants that look like it but has nothing to do with it. that may have a spin off show on its own then all of a sudden get scraped to have a whole new line of series come out. this a a good example of too many eggs in diff baskets. corporate greed comes in all shapes and colors, just like samsungs variants
Agreed. They only need a few good products in the different segments. The Note, the S flagship, the Alpha (a smaller S, basically), a 5" midlevel, a 4ish " midlevel, and a good entry level. And a 9 or 10" tablet. That's it. They could stop wasting R&D, marketing and operating money on crappy variations of entry levels and midlevels that just confuse the customer.
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Only in business can you say only making $3.8 billion is a bad thing.
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lol. Very true. I think a lot of people are confusing "profit" with "income". They could have had more income than last quarter, but spent more on marketing or building a new factory and reported this same loss of "profit" and people would still see it as "Samsung is dying".
Let me try and load some sympathy towards Samsung...
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+1
HTC One Remix
I would have to agree that Samsung makes a less than compelling package when it comes to smartphones these days. Simply put, Touchwiz is Android with a layer of ugly (If I didn't know better, i would think that was their intent). Why can't they go stock Android and add in software features for the SPEN, multi window, etc. Like Motorola started doing. The software features would be enough to distinguish them from competitors.
I do like that Samsung decided to go with metal for their Galaxy phones, but I would have preferred a software change first. Remove all the minimally used garbage features, and stop trying to create another android app store!!
Software is Samsung's weakest department. This applies to their TV's, phones (Tizen) and pretty much all consumer electronics.
I will continue to buy Samsung phones just because I buy and try almost every Android flagship that comes out, but they wouldn't be my first choice on a yearly upgrade schedule at this point in time.
Good news.. Stop making crap software.
Samsung dreams of a world without Google, but they need a new OS to do it. There are already compelling devices which run vanilla Android, and they're all much more affordable than anything Samsung has to offer. Now that phablets are common, and Xaiomi is creating better "affordable" products, they are getting squeezed out of their safe zone.
I agree with most of this. Love my Note 3 (and I loved my Note 2). I even love some of the extra features that Sammy bakes in, but I always end up going through and killing off all their secondary ecosystem crap.
First and foremost Samsung needs to produce phones that are at the same level as the Chinese cheapies. Don't just focus on high end phones. Then they need to drop Tizen and focus on improving the Android experience in their own way. I don't v mean touch wiz.
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Yeah but the ladies like the Wiz. That's what I heard anyways.
Well, I guest Apple is going back to taken their 80% profit share of the moblile industry like they used to do back in 2012. I was worried about Apple for a moment there when their percent of the mobile industry profits dropped to 65% the past 5 quarters. Now the world is all good again...lol. grabbing popcorn for this train wreck.
Wow, two tries and no bites! :( Maybe time for you to hop back on over to iMore.
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Android fans are not happy, because their precious/best hope oem they thought could chalenge apple are getting killed by fire lol and they are butthurt about it.
You're almost entertaining.
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Yep, that's what samsung and everyone on android central said too lol.
That doesn't even make sense!???!
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You kind of sound like a tard. If you read the comments here much, you would realize that most die hard Android fans don't even like Samsung. Most are rejoicing about this article because they would rather see HTC, Moto, or someone who doesn't make Android look and run like a steaming pile of crap get some more sales.
Android fans != Sammy fans.
Just read the comments.
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@gtg is saying the truth. I had an s3 after I had a htc desire HD. I loved the htc more than the s3. All Samsung has is marketing. That said,there are some who actually like sammy phones. A large number of people were fooled into gettin a sammy at least once (me). But they can't keep fooling us. All the people I know of (except one) now who buy Samsung phones are those who call iPhones iPhones and call everything else a "galaxy". Some even call my htc one m7 a galaxy; they get impressed by my phone and get a galaxy the next day. I feel sorry for them.
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I currently have an S3 and I have 0 interest in getting another Galaxy S phone. I'm good.
You have a point.
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I'm perfectly happy. You're the one who sounds like he's desperately trying to find something he can be happy about.
27% of the market share, and 65% of the market profits should tell you something about just how badly Apple is ripping you off with the markup of their devices. lol
Nobody who actually know what's going on in the mobile world thinks "Samsung was going to kill Apple". Most *real* Android fans don't give two sh@ts. We just like our devices because they allow us to use them in the way that we like, and it means that manufacturers can customize their devices to compete for our dollars. That's a good thing, IMO. To each their own, though.
"profits were hurt by increased marketing costs". No Shit Sammy
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You guys are kidding right? Samsung is having a big drop in PROFITS. HTC, Motorola, et al, wish that was their problem. I love some of their phones, but they can't hold a candle to what Samsung has done. The only one who does now is Apple. Even Google loses money on devices, but that is a okay because they are not an electronics company ( and yes, I know Samsung does about a thousand other things as well.)
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Can't hold a candle to what Samsung has done? Haha haha!!!! M8 beats S5 in real life speed test. Check out YouTube videos on that one. Samsung's touchwiz is so power hungry that it requires more ram to run yet it still lags. Need I say more? Yet no other phone can hold a candle to Samsung? You really are the poster boy for Samsung Fanboy. Thanks for the laugh.
By the way, LG G3 and the new Moto X also beat the S5.
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I'm not any kind of fanboy. I like good tech regardless of manufacturer...or even OS. My point, which you ignore or don't understand, is that as an OEM Samsung destroys everyone except Apple. One of the reasons Samsung has to announce falling profits, is because they have profits. No other Android OEM is even close. As I said originally, I love quite a few of the phones out now. But this Samsung bashing is silly. They have dominated Android. One example...everyone, including Apple is coming out with a large phone. Why? Because Samsung sold millions of them. Simple to see if YOU stopping being a fanboy or just a hater. Common business sense really.
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What? I have the G3. And it sucks in performance. Get over it.
You must have a shitty phone then I have the g3 and it fine no lags heat troubles nothing
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It was time for a new leader. Samsun hasn't really shown anything worth while.
I wonder if LG or motorola is going to take over. Or anyone else besides samsung.
Sorry, uncle phil (richard yarell).
I had the G2 and it was awesome. As soon as the G3 was released, I traded the G2 for it....BIG MISTAKE! The G2 smacks the crap out of the G3 in performance. If that's the trend, the G4 will have the performance of a 2010 handset. For LG to take anything, they better have a handset that totally WOWS the world. Won't happen.
This will be good for Samsung, they will either change their ways and adapt to what the public wants, or they'll be replaced by someone better.
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I left Samsung after the S4. The touchwiz interface and phone style was a turn-off. Gadgetry and over-all performance disapointing. The price to high meant a bad value in my opinion. There is just better phones out there. I forecast Samsung best days are over. The G3, M8, Z2, Nexus 5 (value winner), MotoX are much better values. The Nexus 5 has been my favorite to date. IMO!
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If they only release all the Colors! Sales will go through the roof?...But who am I? Just an consumer! Release the damn Gold Note 4! I'm tried of the white and black phone!
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Can't always be on top
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I saw this coming a year ago. People just are not buying Samsung devices like they did two years ago. But there are people like Richard Yarrell who think that Samsung is still #1. Lol.
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Ummm...they are still #1. At least for now.
Where's the proof? Cause last I checked they weren't #1.
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Ummm... really? Seriously? uhh...ok.
Here
http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2014/07/31/chinas-xiaomi-becomes-...
or here
http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-samsung-smartphones-suffer-drop-q2-market-s...
Pick one. Be happy. Have a beer. I don't like Samsung, but for now they are #1
With 7 out of 10 purchased android handsets being Samsung Galaxy products this article on this common hater site means nothing in the real world of revenue.
Samsung’s revenue is four times the revenue of the entire android platform that's pretty easy when you have useless manufacturers like Motorola, Sony, Htc, and crappy Google line products.
At the end of the day you can add Htc, Sony, Motorola, Lg and Google's famed Nexus line products all together from a revenue standpoint it still won't add up to what Samsung earns.
You are supporting the horse Sally.
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You're missing the point of the article entirely. It's not saying that Samsung's market share is declining, it's about the profit that Samsung makes on the phones they sell declining.
It doesn't matter if 7/10 android phones are made by Samsug when the profit you make on them are declining year on year. Companies would rather sell less devices and turn in more profit than the other way around.
Sales were down 20%. Yet, smartphone sales were up slightly.
Up slightly at a time when millions more in India, China Eastern Europe, Africa, and Latin America are just getting started shows Samsung’s lack of strategic planning.
Moreover, LG is putting it to them in their home country.
What will happen when smartphone sales roll over?
They are selling a lot of cheap phones that's it, getting caught in the chinese game of a race to the bottom.
Don't you worry buddy, your employer will see a huge dip in sales over the next years too. The main reason Apple isn't as affected by the new Asian brands yet, as Samsung, is simply because Apple doesn't have the same presence in those markets.
Someone is butthurt their favorite android oem and the only one who is actually making any money is heading downwards and can't stand it. You are not the first or the last that predict apple demised, people have been waiting for 2 decades now, so take a number and watch your most successful android oem take a blood bath lmfao.
I'm not butthurt. Because, unlike you, I don't mind getting a cheaper flagship phone in a year or two.
Let me tell you what's going to happen to companies who thinks they can keep selling outdated devices with 50% profit margins. Detroit was once the motor capital of the world. Asia changed that. California and Texas were once the silicon epicentrum of the world. Asia is taking over there too, especially on the mobile front where Apple are making their money. When the Chinese brands will start selling their flagship devices in the US at $300 off contract. Do you really think Apple will be able to keep selling their phones at $1000? Do you remember the 90's when Apple thought they could keep selling their Mac's at 2-3 times the price of a PC?
It's not only Samsung who'll have to adapt, all other non-Chinese brands will have to do the same. Why do you think the likes of Ericsson and Nokia decided to simply give up mobile phones?
Where have I heard this before? That's right, the pc/laptop industry, I remember people laughing at macbook prices as insane. I remember dell, hp, ibm's of the world folks used that same saying. I wonder what happened to all those pc companies? they must have huge bank accounts by now and apple must be bankrupt. Take a number my friend and get in line with your apple demised, I've been hearing them for two decades now.
Yeah, as I said. The PC industry. You're clearly not old enough to remember what happened to Apple 20 years ago. Apple were bankrupt. Saved by Microsoft, just so Microsoft wouldn't have to split their own company due to antitrust laws.
Yep! whatever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better is fine with me, but I won't let that distract me from watching this train wreck.
I don't need to tell myself anything. As I said, I welcome those $300 smartphones. Apple don't, which is probably why Apple has been so much more active lobbying the last couple of years.
It sounds like you're going to have a huge shock in a couple of years, when the likes of Lenovo and Xiamo begins targeting markets outside Southeast Asia.
Wake me up when that happens, but in the meantime lmfao android losers!!!! with their butthurts.
I am not a fanboy for either product, but am a fan of technology in general. Realistically fans of either os should want the other to continue to succeed. If there is no real competition then there is no drive to make your product that much better year to year. Competition is good for the consumer.
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I agree. I'm not sure how this rampant fanboy mentality started with consumer products. Can you imagine people talking crap to each other over appliance brands. "My ninja owns your VItamix!" This is all ridiculous. I buy what works for me and celebrate diversity in all products.
It started with people treating iPhones as a kind of status symbol. When they got threatened by the rapid rise of Android's popularity, they went on a "fandroid hater" rampage and now both sides do it. I think it started innocently enough, but has now just gotten *way* out of hand with people like toukale who find some kind of personal vindication in believing that Android is *finally* getting knocked down a peg.
Trying to explain to these people that we love Android because of what it allows us to do, and not because of some sense of self worth, is like trying to explain a "launcher" to a die-hard iOS user: they just don't get it.
You're a tool toukale. Period.
"Tell himself?" Really? He's telling you the truth. Microsoft literally saved Apple from not existing. For selfish reasons of course, but at the time Apple was a failed company. The consumers wrote Apple off and did not care about their products...
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Almost no one on here gives a shit about samsungs financial wellbeing toukale. There will always be high end and midrange hardware running android for the masses to use. Manufacturer success will always vary with time in a competitive market, especially when you're utilizing the same OS. But the hardware, and software is going to be at consumers fingertips. And it's only gonna get better......and better..... with time. So shut the fuck up
How many iphone6 and the plus were preordered first day presale in china I think it is more than you want to admit
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Hans that's a good observation and analogy. Just because Apple / Samsung are at the top doesn't mean they'll stay there. On the other hand, neither Apple nor any other phone maker manufactures phones in the USA, unlike US auto makers in the 1970s. All markets mature, and the impact of creativity / innovation becomes less and less as that market matures. I really haven't seen anything worth noting from Apple since the iPhone 4s with Siri, and the last 'ooh' factor from Android was when ICS came out. The rest has just been incremental, albeit rapid, general improvements and copy-cat moves imo. This is an environment ripe for disruption from below, as one poster put it.
Can't speak for the those who stopped buying Samsung, but i got sicken tired of touchwiz and other bullshit (Nox) Samsung keeps shoving down our throats. I wouldn't be surprised. Samsung brought this on itself. I'm not gonna feel bad for them.
Totally agree, Hardware is pretty nice, but the software decisions are just odd.
They are not odd at all. They were aimed at luring people away from the iPhone.
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This
I, too, grew tired of TW. Samsung released new models with the same old UI time after time. They kept adding stuff in that I'd never need. YMMV though. The deciding factor for me was KNOX. I see a need for it for enterprise BYOD users, but I'll never need it and should be given a choice of whether or not I want it or not.
Since moved on to an LG G2 and don't see myself going back to Samsung.
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Knox is going to be on EVERY phone with Android L, that isn't an excuse anymore
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I can't believe this has to be said in every Samsung article. People think they know what Samsung needs to do to maintain it's lead, but Sammy thinks Enterprise is where it's at, and I can't disagree to a point. Knox is Sammy's, and now Google's solution. I doubt people's understanding of knox anyway. It's the new "Root and your warranty is gone" line. Granted that is true, but there are pretty well 0 stories of phones rejected because of rooting or Knox flags tripped.
Yup. I see people b$tching about Knox, as though you would even know it was on the phone without going and looking for it. If you *really* have a problem with it, root your device and then it's pretty easy to turn it off.
mine was rejected for repair just because of knox flag
Ha! There you are! Welcome back to posting
He's back folks!!!!
Welcome back
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I am certainly not the grammar police, but I think you mean "sick and tired." I got a chuckle out of "sicken tired," lol.
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Well, LG and Motorola seem to be making more appealing devices these days... I'd way rather the G3 or Nexus 5 over the S5, and now the Nexus 6 over the Note (though it is targeting a different crowd).
Nexus 5 is the most overrated phone in the history of mankind. Give me a sidekick 2 and I'd be more happy
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Nexus 5 is popular because it has solid specs, it comes from a known brand and it's cheap. The only phone that comes close to it spec wise that is around the same price is the oneplus one but it's made by a unfamiliar Chinese brand.
The Nexus 5 is the biggest JOKE on the android platform. Poor battery life, crappy camera, and putrid storage options.
Nobody cares about stock android other than the silly stock android fanboys who wave pom poms for Google.
Now the crappy Nexus 6 is ready to perpetrate a comical fraud in the phablet category made prominent by Samsung.
This is going to be the biggest JOKE of the year a phablet that will be nothing more than a big screened smartphone with NO PURPOSE or true multitasking/productivity abilities.
Stock android is pitifully boring and extremely overrated definitely dull.
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Says the guy who has repeatedly claimed how you'd "never" touch a Nexus device "with a 10 foot pole". If you've never come close to one, how do you know how "crappy" it is?
Also, you claim "nobody" cares about stock Android, and yet there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.
But by all means, keep spewing your hypocritical, ignorant fanboy nonsense.
+1
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Check out the bargain basement metropcs user who last bought a handset in 2011. Can't help but laugh you use to be a turd over at androidandme now you are here making a fool of himself as usual.
When people don't spend money and walk around in 2011 you wouldn't know anything of any significance.
My Galaxy Nexus in 2011 was better than anything you have today. Squiddy20 get a job then go buy something worth wild and come back and tell us about it.
You are and always have been obsolete.
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Uh oh! We got a big shot here! He can afford a $300 on contract Note. Wow! So much money! We are all too poor to afford $300. That is why we don't buy Notes. You nailed it buddy.
He's worried he s going to loose his Samsung bonus since Sammy lost some cash... Thats why he's on damage control
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You want to talk about bargain basement when you have service thru T-Mobile really? Of the 4 top wireless national carriers T-Mobile has and always will be the bargain basement carrier. So go stand somewhere in a corner with your bargain carrier and your bargain OBAMACARE insurance @$$!
Kill your self
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Please, Samsung has 2 high end phones..the S series and Note. The rest of Samsung's are the ones you see on the shelf for $30-$80 off contract for straight talk at Walmart or virgin mobile with android 4.0 on them. Samsung whores themselves out & that's probably one reason why they're having to lower their prices even more, everywhere I go I see "free s5" buy one get one etc. Hell on release day the s4 was already 25% discounted at Walmart.
Excluding the Alpha and now Note, all Samsung's have been made with crappy plastic that would make noises and give to the touch with laggy unoptimized software. They're getting better but don't even try to pretend Samsung is the best. They might still sale the best because they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising every year but slowly and surely, their appeal is running out.
I used to be a Samsung dude myself until I switched to Apple but then Motorola brought me back. Samsung makes decent phones but unless they do more than make gapgate metal frames 3 years too late, I don't see their declining profits on the upswing anytime soon.
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I've owned a Droid incredible, Galaxy Nexus, Note II, HTC One, and the Nexus 5.
While the N5 isn't perfect it's eaaasily my favorite phone I've ever owned. Looking at the Xperia z3 next but unsure. No other phone has looked good enough to lure me away.
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Is the JOKE line your only line? You're quite the one trick pony. It's annoying. And stupid. We've all heard it enough now. Leave please.
Correction thousands upon thousands of real tech people care about stock android. If you get say a GPe S5 and run it side by side with a TouchWiz S5 you can notice the degradation in performance, graphics and more in the TW version. Stock will beat out customizations any day when it comes to performance. But keep sucking that Sammy dong...mmm tastes delicious to you huh society's biggest leech!
It's not always about MOAR speed. People like features. If we have to wait for Google to add them, why do we hate on Apple users. Because at that point we're all in the same boat.
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Normal users will take features, but then complain about updates. Well all those "features" are the reason OEM's then play the waiting game with updates. But with stock or GPe you get the updates almost instantaneously. So stock and GPe owners are more along the lines of cutting edge technology as they can have the specs from their customized brothers but then get the performance benefits of that hardware.
Sniff ...snif .... Richiard, . . . it will get better. You know deep inside you want a Nexus .... a real phone! Aren't you yet weary of "dry Humping" your sammie in the gay forums!
Clearly more and more Android users prefer to use a Nexus device
Samsung days as the #1 are over.
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Nobody cares about stock android? Just wait till Google start insisting that stock android goes on all phones. Google gave android away to gain market share and weren't bothered what skin OEMs put on it as long as it was gaining market share. Now they have achieved what market share they wanted it is only a matter of time before they stop OEM's putting their own skin on top. Android one is just the start, it is only a matter of time before Google stops developing for the AOSP and start charging a licence fee for full android.
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I'm going to say the Nexus 5 is popular, because everyone wants it to be the OG Nexus, a phone that was a massive shove forward, but it's not. I would also argue, that it's not a popular phone, but we won't know since Google does not publish sales figures.
It will never be popular like a S5 but I see quite a few of them compared to other nexus phones. Both guys I know that got them love the N5. One was a former I phone user and the other former Samsung user.
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I've seen more Nexus 5's in person than any other Nexus phone. And more than I've seen on M8's.
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I've had all 3 notes and the first 4 Galaxy S phones and I loved them. But they started to get boring. Each new upgrade was a little better hardware but UI was getting boring. I also only bought the Notes because of the big screens, never used the stylus. I have had the LG G3 since july and have no intentions on getting a note 4.
The Lg G3 is a bootleg wanna be phablet created by Samsung feature after feature.
Everyone knows if Samsung didn't exist Lg wouldn't have anyone or anything to copy.
Lg is and always will be Samsung's little lost sister. And oh the Huawei Ascend Mate 7 trumps the Lg G3 so easily it's comical.
The Galaxy Note 4 shits on both easily.
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What works for you doesn't work for everybody.
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Regardless without Samsung Lg will never be anything significant.
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Without Apple, Samsung won't be any... Wait, they'll copy someone else never mind. /s
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Zing
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Oh you mean like if Apple didn't exist then Samsung wouldn't have anyone or anything to copy? That's right I went there. We all here are Android fanatics but there is no denying that much of what so called makes Samsung unique was derived and stolen from Apple.
*drops mic* and walks away like a boss
Oh, really? then why was the case dropped? A whole lot of Apple's accusations were proved ridiculous within the first few months, which is why they dropped the original sum from 2Bill to about 1Bill. The case was bullshit. Samsung may have well been inspired by Apple's great designs, but Apple has also been inspired by Nokia and others. If it means Samsung aim for better build materials then I'm ok with them failing a little bit. I'm sure they'll figure it out. FYI I actually prefer the HTC One in many ways but the camera is a bit of a let down and I use the S-Pen on my Note 3 regularly, in fact I would have an M8 if it weren't for those two things.
While we are talking about ideas and designs, look at the HTC One-iPhone 6. The HTC One was fantastically well built, even my iPhone friends admitted it.
Kill.yourself again martinez
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if they release there note 4 early this would not be happening they so slow.
They've had the same release schedule for all Note phones. The slump has nothing to do with that demographics. it's the low and mid range phones they've lost out big on to Chinese and Indian brands in Asia. Those brands will eventually take most market shares on a global scale, when they start selling those flagship devices at less than 50% than the traditional brands.
As a consumer I guess this is a good thing, as I personally think the prices for smartphones are starting to get ridiculous for something you're expected to replace every or every second year.
It's important to remember, also, that Samsung sells a lot of things besides mobile phones. If you read their release, they cite increased marketing costs and lower big screen TV sales as a primary motivator behind the lower profits. I'm sure they lost some to their mobile division as well, but this doesn't necessarily indicate a significant problem in their mobile line.
If they make the Note 4 $250-300 the opposite would be true...
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Xiaomi is crushing them on the lower end
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It costs more to make the Note 4 than that...
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No it doesn't it only costs about $260 there's an article about it.
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It doesn't. Note 4 comes to under USD2OO for Samsung. If, say, Meizu or HTC were making it and selling a tenth of the volume Samsung is moving, it would cost them 10-15% more to make. If you order 100,000 units of the Note 4 from Samsung for delivery in 6-7 weeks, it would be USD 420ish. In two months the wholesale price will be under 400, but even in July next year, it would still be above 300. If you order 1 million units, of course, prices would be 10-12% lower than that 6 months into the life of the product, but not necessarily now even if you are Vodafone or AT&T. Why someone should make more than USD 100 per smartphone, when they make $30 per a similarly priced TV set is beyond me. That has started to change, however and the adjustment will likely be complete by this time next year.
A Note 4 at $250 would have Sammy loosing billions per quarter. Those cost year downs are mostly fantasy numbers put out for the gullible.
Samsung, samsung, samsung. *facepalm*
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Grab my bag of popcorn to watch this train wreck. Been saying for years, samsung was at the right place at the right and rode their blessing as much as they could. Now, they are slowly returning to their natural state, which is where they were pre-apple and the iphone in 2007.
I wonder what happens to all their market shares? Perfect example when you don't control your destiny, you are rip for disruption. Now they are playing a game they can't win, which is a race to the bottom with the chinese in order to try to maintain the marketshares they so desperately build their mobile business on. They don't have their own os, nor an ecosystem of their own, they are no better than all the rest, but hey, let's keep making fun of Apple.
You are partially right about the race to the bottom, but wrong about the rest. The fact that they don't control their own ecosystem isn't the big or only issue. The real problem, besides the fact that they are starting to get killed on price, is that their market share is propped up by advertising. Apple gets away with the same thing because their ecosystem is completely different, so direct comparison is limited. Samsung makes products that can be argued are not superior to their competitors, yet they want the same price premium as Apple. That's no longer flying anywhere around the world. IMHO, they're finally starting to try with products like the Galaxy A series and the Note Pro tablets. They can spend more money on marketing, but consumers are only stupid for so long. Hell, BlackBerry still makes phones, and in hindsight they were done in 2009.
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In economics we call this phenomenon the race to 0 profits equilibrium. That's of course if there is perfect competition with is a false theory. What is true though is that when companies see profits in the market, like those made by Apple and Samsung, they will enter that market. The reason so many Android manufacturers have entered the market. The reason Samsung is taking a hit compared to Apple is because other Android manufacturers have close substitutes to Samsung phones while Apple is more unique.
Anyway, Samsung won't be going away anytime soon but will not be the market power they once were.
You are completely right, they wont be going away, but i am so glad to see this ship being righted. Samsung phones have sucked for a while. Their designs (even the a series and alpha crap) are boring and tired. they need ot reinvent themselves and remember where they came from. I stopped buying Sammy products when they started to make android accessories that were only compatible with Samsung, not android. That is an unforgivable sin in my book. The whole draw to android from the beginning was openness... thats not very open. Other OEMS make much better stuff, just dont have the marketing budget and wont sell as much. DOWN WITH SAMMY!! lol
I don't want "down with Sammy" but I would love it if they would stop trying to "re-invent" the Android ecosystem with all their "S" apps. I love my Note 3, but I had to go in and turn off all that crap.
Technically they do have their own OS, Tizen. Granted it has never been used in a phone but they still have it xD
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I'm of the opinion any mobile OS created after 2010 will fail, as Android and iOS already have such a major following of consumers and developers. Developers keep a system alive, and there is no reason for them to use an operating system which only a few hundred/thousand people use.
Unless Tizen runs Android apps and somehow is glorified by Samsung, it won't go far.
Dear samsung, sell one top tier phone on all carriers with vanilla android and $100-200 cheaper than usual and watch the profits.
Um, Apple only has a 17% global marketshare down from 20% the previous year. Samsung completely dominates Apple on the world stage. Can you fanboys please stop pretending like Apple is #1?
Market share doesn't equal profits. Bottom line profit is the most important thing in business and Samsung's are shrinking quickly. Samsung market share was propped up its low end handsets, with those sales now going to Chinese manufacturers their market share will slip quickly as well.
Apple is #1 in the only category that really matters - profit. And thats coming from someone who hates Apple.
Whether any of those metrics "matter" really depends on the discussion. I wouldn't care if Apple and iOS had 80% market share, I'm still not interested in an iOS-based device. I choose my devices based on features and how I use it, not who sells the most or makes the most money.
Stop making so many damn phones Sammy!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ_fnYhI1HU
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All I can do is LAUGH real hard at the common haters and basic trolls of android central and various sites.
Samsung owns the Worldwide global market share with over 250 billion handsets sold.
They own the overall android market share since 2011 and they own the Smartwatch market share at over 70% as well as the Tablet market share at 25% all better than any other manufacturer.
The rest of the android platform is a putrid JOKE all below 5% market share this includes Google's famed Nexus line products, Sony, Motorola, and Htc.
Huawei is 11%
Lg 7.5%
The rest of the android platform is so far behind and aren't making any revenue it's pretty comical.
Whatever SAMSUNG revenue is turn out to be three to four times any other android manufacturer so Samsung isn't hurting.
Together Google Nexus line products, Lg, Sony, Motorola, and Htc are collectively a sad JOKE.
At the end of the day it's pretty plain and simple nothing beats Samsung they are Android nothing else matters period.
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"From my Galaxy Note 3..."
Opinion discarded.
Haters and common trolls as well as pom pom waving Google stock lovers aren't getting anywhere.
Samsung owns android period that will always happen because Htc, Sony, Motorola, Huawei, and Lg as well as Google's famed Nexus line products are a sad joke.
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Okay kid.
He's actually a grown man but damn he acts like a kid.
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Sounds good. Guess the truth hurts people like you. I can only laugh at your kind.
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I'm laughing at your network....
Wait, let me guess? You are one of those Apple fanboys who actually imagines Apple is #1? They aren't. Not even close. They can't even beat Android in America.
Your just pissed because you know samsung is Nexus' bitch. But you are part of the herd who gladly purchase Samsung and walk around in a slightly "bent over" posture. Even Apple fans are pale in comparison to the herd mentality compared to "whizzy-touch" fans! Ba...wa... wa ...snif ...sniff .... get a real phone!
Please tell me you are kidding. Please for the love of all that is good and holy tell me you are kidding
Nexus devices are intended for a population the exact size of its market share.
Man, Richard has some haters. Then you have people like this who just put a bunch of words together with no facts to contradict what he's saying that make it hard to read replies. I know this is a free for all with some respect demanded but man, some of you have to come up with better than what you're offering.
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"250 billion"? Reeeeally?
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Really turd man
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You do realize there's not even 8 billion people on the planet, right? And you're claiming Samsung has sold 250 billion. Please tell me you see the glaring math error that even a 10 year old would see.
What an ignorance spewing moron.
Typical no buying Squiddy20 pretty typical on these threads. When was the last time you found any money to buy an actual handset.
Let me guess you think it's 2011 or 2012 that's pretty typical for your type of person.
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The lack of intelligence of this guy makes me feel like I'm in elementary school again, lol! Totally laughable!
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And when did you find the money you leech on society? Oh yeah you found it thanks to Obamacare giving your broke two-bit @$$ a break on insurance in the hood so you used that discount to pay your monthly Jump! payment to upgrade. But as far as having the money to pay $750-$900 outright for the phone is unheard for your broke
"type of person" oh wait that might sound racist...well good! You are a worthless Samsung employee who will in a year or 2 be suckling up on the next #1 Android manufacturer d0ng and claiming they (LG, HTC, Huawei, Motorola or another OEM) are Android and nothing else matters.
For the record.....
Google is Android and nothing else matters! None of the manufacturers would be in the position of mobile profitability they are in if it weren't for Google and it's Android OS and ecosystem.
What does my buying, or rather, not buying of "top of the line" devices every year have to do with anything? I'll answer that for you: nothing. It doesn't make me smarter. It doesn't make me even seem richer. We're talking about less than $800 devices here. People on welfare, foodstamps, and other government handouts could obtain the same things, as you yourself prove. Here's an idea, why don't you try sticking to the topic instead of *attempting* to change the topic to something you *think* you can win? You really do have the mind of an 8 year old. Seriously, I personally know 10 year olds that could come up with more intelligent insults and rebukes than you.
It's really quite simple. We've all bought 30+ Samsung phones. You weren't curious about all those boxes that showed up?
250 billion? The equivalent of every human being on earth purchasing 35 Samsung devices?
I must say that's quite impressive.
I own 40, to cover some poor people somewhere.
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LOL
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Lmao! Was that said in your Will Farrell voice?!
250 billion includes intergalactic sales........../s
At the end of the day, the goal of business, any business, is to make a profit Richard. They're profits are in a steady decline. When profits drop, you cut costs, be it in materials, research, advertising, or elsewhere.
It really doesn't matter if they've sold "250 billion" or not, when you're losing money. I could sell 250 billion glasses of lemonade at $.25 each, but if it cost me $.50 a glass to make I'm loosing money. Guess what happens then? I close up shop.
Tl;dr---gold standard no more.
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You did read that they made almost $4 billion right? Or am I missing the part were they actually had negative profits?
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But they are still losing money clearly.
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4 billion in profit is not losing money in my book.
If it's less than before, and on a clear downward trend it's losing money. Just because it's a lot to you doesn't mean it's a lot to a company as large as Samsung.
The same reason fat people can eat meals 4x what a typical person would eat. It's big to you, and not enough for them.
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Declining profits DOES NOT EQUAL losing money. Go take a finance or accounting class, then come back and tell us how stupid you used to be.
That's if they cut back on other things yes? If you make a budget, and have less profit then your budget indicated you would have, you have lost money in my mind. Even if you know where it went, but it's not where you wanted it to go, it's lost. I know that may not be the "Dictionary definition" but I think it makes a lot more sense.
-Guy that should rewrite the dictionary to include "Hella"
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I think you are confusing profit with turnover.
Yep. You should've stopped at the first comment. You don't understand profit. At. All.
For future reference, whenever you use "in my mind" when describing a business term, just don't hit the post button.
Good luck!
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I beg to differ. Many companies consider declining profits as a loss. Think of it this way. Your monthly bills come up to $1,500 a month. You bring in $3,000 a month. But every month start getting $100 less. You can see where problems start to arise.
Pretty good dreams. Meanwhile the remaining balance of the android platform is a comical JOKE today.
It doesn't matter who you select Htc sucks monkey balls, Sony is a ghost, Lg thinks they are Samsung, Google Nexus line products are a sad bore and basically no frills, Motorola is a bargain basement group discount shopping base.
As long as Samsung wins Google will win the day that stops android becomes BlackBerry.
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Exactly
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it's because Samsung Touchwizzy phones are finally being discovered for what they are. An over priced bad performing product as compared to other much less expensive phones. And sales and profits will continue to plummet There is no other herd of sheep like the Samsung fan-boys!
The only joke is Samsung fanboys who think their devices must be better because they sold better. Guess what, McDonalds sells the most burgers in the world, and they are pure garbage. They have nothing over their competition but a recognizable name and a marketing department. People are finally recognizing that their are better and cheaper options out there, which is why we have this article here telling us that Samsung's sales and profits are on the decline.
250 billion handsets???? do you enjoy typing out of your ass hole?
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Samsung doesn't own squat , they have mearly led in those markets for some time and now those days are limited.
Once you are at the top, the only way to go is down when you don't keep up with the pace you set getting up there. They haven't and their profits reflect this.
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You know and I understand sooooooo little...
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Stop making so many damn phones Sammy
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