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T-Mobile, regulators likely aren't interested in such a monumental merger

If Sprint has its way, we may be headed towards just three major wireless carriers in the U.S. at some point in 2014. The Wall Street Journal reports today that Sprint is considering a bid to buy the recently-public T-Mobile at a price of about $20 billion, based on its current market cap. The move is reportedly, and not surprisingly, being driven by SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son, who has indicated that the $21 billion strategic investment in Sprint wasn't going to be the only big move he made in the U.S.

T-Mobile, on the other side of things, likely isn't looking to be purchased. Taking the attempted takeover by AT&T in stride and generally rethinking its entirety of operations after buying MetroPCS, the UNcarrier probably isn't interested in joining up with Sprint — not taking into account structural and technological issues of a merger. And given the way its subscriber numbers are growing as Sprint's fall, it's only a matter of time before T-Mobile is the larger of the two entities.

Then there's the regulatory situation.

The U.S. regulatory authorities have certainly approved their fair share of mergers as of late. AT&T's purchase of Alltel and Leap Wireless, T-Mobile's purchase of MetroPCS and of course Sprint's double merger of consuming Clearwire and being purchased itself by SoftBank have all gone through with little intervention by the authorities. But it's hard to forget that AT&T's attempted $39 billion purchase of T-Mobile was pretty swiftly shut down, and while T-Mobile is stronger now than it was at that time and Sprint isn't the behemoth that AT&T is, the deal is very similar.

T-MobileThe only thing giving this merger legs is the fact that even a combined Sprint and T-Mobile are smaller by a considerable margin than either AT&T or Verizon, which each have well over 100 million subscribers (70-90 million postpaid). Still, given the Justice Department's strong opposition to the AT&T purchase of T-Mobile, subscriber numbers are hardly the only angle to look at here. Sprint choosing to go forward with the acquisition process without the initial informal blessing of the Justice Department (to say nothing of Verizon and AT&T's lobbying powers) could just cause more headaches for the struggling carrier.

Whether one buys the other, there's a strategic partnership or some kind of merger, combining the third and fourth largest carriers in the U.S. doesn't bode well for consumer-friendly competition in the wireless space. Sure, SoftBank may have the money to splash around and buy T-Mobile, and Deutsche Telekom may have over 60 percent of T-Mobile's stock and want to sell, but the number of wheels that have to turn for this size of deal to happen will need more oil than that.

Without further information on the structure and reasoning behind such a deal, it's hard to understand how it can go through with the wireless landscape as it stands in the U.S.

It's quite easy to argue that even AT&T — which is in a drastically different position than Sprint — took a notable amount of time to rebound from its attempt to buy T-Mobile. Sprint would fare no better after a failed attempt. This potential deal sounds like hopefulness with a dash of desperation on Sprint's part, and may be yet another waste of time and money that it just doesn't need to deal with right now.

Source: WSJ

 
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jdevenberg says:

Hell no! T-Mobile is the most innovative and disruptive carrier in America. Do not let Sprint swallow them!

amcity32 says:

Agreed

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MERCDROID says:

This.

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will_solo says:

In every article I read, you always make the same comment. Feeling like adding anything else?

NoNexus says:

you do not read far enough then.

Why should you be critical if "this" suffices?

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MERCDROID says:

Did I say something to offend you? I partially agree with the sentiment of the post.

I use "this" and "Agreed," because I don't feel like regurgitating the exact same thing that someone else just posted.

Got it memorized?

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NoNexus says:

This!

MERCDROID says:

Agreed =)

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NoNexus says:

book it, done

jackwagon06 says:

You guys......lmao!

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amrovi2014 says:

Ur funny

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Rigelian says:

Absolutely. Sprint would pull them back into "old" wireless carrier conventionality. Keep T-Mobile T-Mobile.

NoNexus says:

Wrong

The two would even out. Both of them need the network and bandwidth.

jwyche007 says:

Sprint has nothing to lose whereas T-Mobile has everything to lose. This would be a horrible decision.

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NoNexus says:

Sprint cannot lose
Tmobile cannot put a network together
Sprint is slow at it

Together they can match ATT and rival Verizon

Win Win

Jay Holm says:

Agreed!!! 5 -7yrs they've been bleeding customers. There is no turnaround. Sprint can't do anything right.

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NoNexus says:

Try building a network from scratch.

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Gator352 says:

Spot on you bloody ol' chap. Cheerio!

MERCDROID says:

+9000

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jdevenberg says:

ITS OVER 9000!!!!

Jay Holm says:

Same exact EXCUSE an obama supporter would use to say 4yrs isn't enough to turn the economy around. When proof exists that 4 yrs was enough to turn it around in the 80's after Carter's crappy economy. There are always, always examples in this world to prove others are doing things differently, and better.

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NoNexus says:

If you wanna go there, "mission accomplished"

You sound like a typical teaterrorist/GOP supporter, spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) wherever you go). THrowing up roadblocks wherever you go because it doesnt agree with YOU without thinking that in the long run, people will be better off for it.

PS if you look at the charts, Carter, Clinton, and Obama all had positive growth in key areas of the economy. Reagan (military spending), Bush II (everything) had negative growth in every sector. Bush II was a complete and under disaster/idiot. I am surprised it only took 6 years to turn things around.

/no more politics

Deke218 says:

@Jay Holm No one here gives a crap about your racist hatred of The President of these United States. This is about Sprint and T-Mobile. If all you can think about is the President, you should try one of the idiot Fox forums or maybe hook up with a teabagger. This President has done more to promote positive growth than the last 3 retaredicans combined. And the only thing a teabagger has ever done for this country is piss everybody off.

Also, Carter had no were near the mess to clean up and The President did. Stop rewriting history.

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NoNexus says:

He didn't bring race into it at all, you did

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mustang_52 says:

your just a retard just o bring politics into this. go back to watching some more bullshit fox news can come up with.

Gator352 says:

I'm probably more political than anyone here. I'm also a Republican and damn proud of it. Even I have shown restraint not commenting about politics because this ISN'T a political article nor is it my place. But I will say this.....Do I watch bullshit fox news? Yup, I do! So you go back to watching your CNN or MSNBC that has a total of what now??? 5 viewers including you?

mustang_52 says:

You just proved my point. Keep throwing shit and see if it sticks. loser.

hodan says:

I have been working on my first tower for 10 years. Apparently the transmitters are now outdated. I don't know what to do.

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Jay Holm says:

LMAO!!!!!!!!

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TheMimic12 says:

I concur with this spot-on remark of yours, Ol' boy

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Blaize19 says:

Exactly! (Agree with first post)

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This won't happen Sprint wishes it can. Tmobile doesn't need Sprint they are world's apart in so many aspects.

Plain and simple nothing beats Tmobile period.

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T-Mobile needs someone, they won't survive on their own.

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Jay Holm says:

Really? Tmo > gained < 1 million customers in the 3rd qtr. Their certainly heading in a much more positive direction than Sprint.

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Not enough spectrum

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Orion78 says:

Says the troll.

tdizzel says:

If Samsung and T-Mobile fight, who beats who question mark

NoNexus says:

The period

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Orion78 says:

If that were to happen, I really think Richard would self destruct.

Jonneh says:

I'm going to hire you a copyeditor for all of your internet needs, Mr. Yarrell.

TheMimic12 says:

Everything beats T-Mobile where I live. Spring even has LTE here and service is pretty fantastic. T-Mobile, however, refuses to consider the city where I live as good enough to do anything past 2G. In sure there are areas where T-Mobile has great coverage and sprint is very lacking.
Ideally a merger would convert the spectrum over to gsm and have respectable coverage, resistant on areas where one particular carrier lacks (even Cricket has LTE here now).

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carraser891 says:

if anything T-Mobile should be taking over Sprint...

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Agreed. I moved to T-Mobile to get away from Sprint since they have the WORST data speeds ever. My 2G Edge speeds on T-Mobile are faster than Sprint's 3G. Sprint needs to focus on improving their network and not gouging people with stupid fees.

dnalevelc says:

If the FCC asks for the public to weigh in on this like they did with the AT&T/T-Mobile merger I will vote the same way. I will ask that it not be allowed.

Phillycat says:

I can't see this happening. Though having the combined carrier get unified spectrum on 600 mhz sounds good.

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rkopsie says:

Hmm...

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Lekoq Grande says:

too many complications if that were to happen..

If T-Mobile can be bought keep an eye out for Dish trying to purchase them.

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ab304945 says:

you don't want dish to take over tmobile, would be better off with sprint.

willizen says:

I would support it. Neither sprint nor T-Mobile by themselves have the spectrum or resources needed to go against Verizon and AT&T. Together, they might stand a chance to create a viable alternative to the others

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NoNexus says:

Agreed

MERCDROID says:

I agree, as well. It might actually be more positive than negative.

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Sprint actually has a lot of spectrum

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Alex Zapata says:

Except for the part where Sprint now has more spectrum than Verizon, AT&T, and TMO combined.

Deke218 says:

Why does T-Mobile need to go against anyone? They need to continue to do there own thing. The market will choose. I would hate for T-Mobile to turn into some deranged company like Verizon or AT&T. Perish the thought.

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NoNexus says:

That is why you want sprint and tmo to team up

They both go against the grain, but neither is strong enough alone to make a huge impact. Together they can really make waves with the combined customer base

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sprint4lyfe says:

Yes please. It'll only make Sprint stronger.

Forget that. I like my UNcarrier untainted.

NoNexus says:

you mean UNconnected?

MERCDROID says:

Lol

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little09 says:

Lol

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return_0 says:

And my phone bill $180 more expensive.

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NoNexus says:

I pay less per line (or equal) than Tmo on Sprint so your point is invalid for what I would assume is most since the plan is not special to just me...

MERCDROID says:

This is a bad move. I hope this doesn't turn into anything but a thought.

If this happens, then I'm going to try AT&T or go back to Verizon.

This will only serve to cripple T-Mobile's brand.

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MERCDROID says:

Ok, I lied. I'm not going back to Verizon, and I probably won't go to AT&T.

If this is allowed to go through, it could be interesting.

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Gator352 says:

Ah I get it!

Your first post was the "gut feeling" and the second post was "I saw the light" :)

OddNYer says:

Swallow everything Sprint ... you need it.!

flipponater says:

Thats what she said

posting while eating gummybears in your girlfriends bedroom

DanteFilth says:

NO NO NO!!! DON'T LET IT HAPPEN PLEASE!!!

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ajpri says:

No. Just no

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NoNexus says:

I am all for this. you want a world phone? They all will be running both CDMA and GSM. Combined they would be awesome. whereas right now they both kinda have issues. bring some of the Tmo stuff with you BTW, I am ok with most of it. Prepaid gets untouched of course What is the problem here? Tmobile is going to get bought. The parent company has been trying to ditch them off for years. Now that this rumor has been floated, guess who is gonna jump into it. DISH NETWORK COME ON DOWN. So you can have Dish or Sprint. You are not getting ATT or Verizon. The dutch are not keeping it...

Brandoshus says:

Deutsche Telekom, who owns T Mobile, is German not Dutch.

NoNexus says:

yeah the whole deutsche = dutch thing stuck in my head. I know better.

Jay Holm says:

Understable! Germany and Dutch are both very strange languages.

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NoNexus says:

yeppers and the pronunciation makes me think dutch..lol

Yeah I took a Germany class one. Very difficult. :-[

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MERCDROID says:

As long as Sprint doesn't try to phase out T-Mobile's network or any of their recent UN-carrier promotions, then I could be OK with this.

And, as long as they don't touch Prepaid, then I'll be good.

In a case of Sprint or Dish, I'd obviously choose Sprint.

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NoNexus says:

I am all about "Why not both" on this one. No reason to get rid of one or the other. call it a hybrid network until advanced LTE gets far enough along to be worth switching CDMA and GSM off for good Sprint Spark: Now OCTA-Band!

MERCDROID says:

Here's to hoping we get those world phones, lol.

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NoNexus says:

my comment disappeared...

now it is back...I am so confused...

NoNexus says:

Verizon has done it repeatedly so there is no reason it cannot work. Automatic switching based on signal strength could be a serious issue, but not one that couldnt be overcome

Not. Gonna. Happen.

30014 says:

No, just no. I want no part of a cdma network. T-Mobile is awesome in my area of suburban Atlanta while Sprint not so much. While both have lte in my area, T-Mobile hspa+ is faster than Sprint lte.

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savdini says:

Here we go again Sprint.. Just fix your network and you'll be fine. Stop buying shit you can't afford and trying to merge incompatible technologies.. Idiots.. Have you learned nothing from Nextel??

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NoNexus says:

Softbank, it isn't Sprint anymore except in name.

They can afford it, and I am sure it is part of the 300 year plan that the founder has

newboyx says:

You are obviously under informed. Softbank, has plenty of money to buy tiny little Tmo.

savdini says:

They can't afford it, period. And they can't afford any setbacks with Network Vision rollout.

Just because Softbank came along and injected cash into them doesn't mean they fixed them. They had a ton of debt and needed billions in upgrades.

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NoNexus says:

Lol.. Soft bank has 100s of billions. They did not buy sprint to have it sit there.

Just like Google is propping up Motorola and the billion dollar losses they have

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NoNexus says:

TMO CFO: Merger with Sprint is the "logical ultimate combination"

it wont let me post the link but check REUTERS

808Mobi says:

And he's right. It does make sense.

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It is a logical combination in the fact that it's the only way to make one carrier that can actually challenge AT&T and Verizon on somewhat-equal footing. No matter the gains T-Mobile is making, it will take decades for it to be where AT&T and Verizon are now, even if those carriers don't grow (which they are).

In every other respect, it's far from logical.

NoNexus says:

the only place it is illogical is the gsm/cdma part. World phones solve that problem.

Plans are similar, condense the prepaid (money savings on redundant networks, not to mention freeing bandwidth)

Tmo is better in the cities, Sprint covers everywhere else.

They need each other....

You say that "the gsm/cdma part" is the only issue as if that's some small feat. Combining two completely incompatible networks as one is borderline useless to try and accomplish.

And that's making the assumption that there are no other hurdles of combining two very very different carriers, which there are.

NoNexus says:

I think the GSM/CDMA can be overcome, besides in 5-8 years the point it moot. Advanced LTE will be here.

Keep them separate companies that share frequencies until then.

Problem solved.

I still say that world phones, that switch between the two based on signal strength is viable

MERCDROID says:

I'm not sure, why this wouldn't be viable. LTE is a GSM-based technology. Sprint and Verizon already switch-off between CDMA and LTE using signal strength.

Granted, I understand the inherent difference between CDMA and UMTS.

In a few years, though, both technologies will be phased out, anyway.

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Didn't T-Mobile do that with metro pcs?

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MERCDROID says:

Not exactly. T-Mobile's in the process of phasing out Metro PCS' CDMA network, by transitioning all of their products over to GSM.

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T-Mobile is simply shutting down MetroPCS' very small CDMA network and keeping the LTE network because it operates on the same frequencies as T-Mobile's LTE network already does.

A much simpler process than trying to transition an entire nationwide network with different frequencies and types of LTE that would be required to bring Sprint and T-Mobile together.

NoNexus says:

types of LTE? I get different bands but I thought LTE was a "standard" and kinda universal.

MERCDROID says:

LTE is a standard...

How many different types of LTE can there be?

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NoNexus says:

I thought Andrew knew something I didnt

RonD says:

There is fd-lte and td-lte. Sprint f'd-up and is using a little of each. It makes the phones more complicated and is messing up switching between CDMA and LTE on spark ready phones. Many who bought N5 can't get LTE on there phones even though the towers are LTE. That is just an example of the poor technical decisions Sprint keeps making .

NoNexus says:

Nokia, Apple, Samsung and China's biggest telecom have no problem with it. The problem is in the radio and the programming of such.

In the end, you are still using the same LTE standard, just two different ways to accomplish it. Handoffs between the two will be important.

I would not say this is necessarily a "poor technical decision" on Sprints part

Jay Holm says:

I sure am glad I'm not a Sprint customer!

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Gator352 says:

I sure they're glad your not their customer! And as a customer, I'm glad your not their customer!

Beat me to my own reply ;) .

Jay Holm says:

Here are at least 2 different types of LTE.

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/What-is-Difference-between-TDLTE-2023419....

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NoNexus says:

different frequencies = MEGA-SPARK

NoNexus says:

@jay holm

Those are two methods of achieving the same standard.

Kinda like granny smith and red delicious apples. Both are apples...

Not like Cdma and gsm, totally different tech

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If anything, T-Mobile should buy Sprint :P

AT&T LG G2 :)

UJ95x says:

I doubt they have that kind of cash

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MERCDROID says:

They don't, lol, and they're far from having that kind of cash.

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NoNexus says:

yeah it would take 25 billion and I am sure they do not have that...

T-Mobile doesn't have that kinda money. And SoftBank isn't selling.

way2broke says:

Say it isn't so!!!

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robert0791 says:

T Mobile terrible in Texas and Sprint not Verizon but petty good

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jwyche007 says:

Was that even a complete sentence?

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MERCDROID says:

Does it look like one?

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Amir47 says:

I think I decrypted it though. I believe he is trying to say that although sprint is not as good as vzw, they are still not terrible.

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vr002sh says:

Depends on where in Texas, just north of Dallas, we are seeing 50-70 mb, thats far from terrible.

davidb423 says:

The real issue here is that picture is from the sprint store in seattle on 3rd and pike which closed a while ago. I would update it with the picture from the store on 5th and union already.

Really think that that matters? Sprint sign is a Sprint sign :P .

Amir47 says:

That's an issue? Really?

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troyboytn says:

In response to the article..."T-Mobile, on the other side of things, likely isn't looking to be purchased. Taking the attempted takeover by AT&T in stride and generally rethinking its entirety of operations after buying MetroPCS, the UNcarrier probably isn't interested in joining up with Sprint".

T-Mobile's CEO has already publicly stated that anything is on the table including a sale to Sprint. Get your facts straight Andrew.

NoNexus says:

I am just reposting because it is relevant to what you said:

TMO CFO: Merger with Sprint is the "logical ultimate combination"

it wont let me post the link but check REUTERS

Yep, I've read the article on Reuters, which sources the same post I do from the WSJ. And as I note below, the carrier will always do what maximizes shareholder value — you'll never hear an executive rule out merger deals. Just look back to the T-Mobile/Sprint/Clear/Dish/SoftBank saga earlier this year... everyone was fine buying everyone.

That doesn't mean that T-Mobile is motivated to sell itself.

The CEO will always do what maximizes the shareholder's value, which T-Mobile is of course concerned with now being a public company. The CEO of any company isn't doing his/her job if it isn't open to any possibility. That doens't mean that T-Mobile is actively looking to sell.

Given Legere's statements following the attempted acquisition by AT&T, and for the two years following including its complete rebranding and changing of direction, I don't think T-Mobile's staying awake at night looking for a buyer. It has its own plans independently.

There's no confusion about the "facts" on my part.

NoNexus says:

Maybe they are not sending a prospectus around but they are making it know loud and clear that they are all ready to be a part of something bigger...

T-Mobile has always been part of something bigger. It has been owned by Deutsche Telekom, one of the biggest carriers in Europe, forever.

NoNexus says:

yeah but they could care less about the US.

The question is, are the European and US tmo's the same company or two separate ones?

MERCDROID says:

I believe, they're two separate T-Mobiles, just united under one parent company.

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T-Mobile US is now a publicly-held independent company since its merge with MetroPCS.

NoNexus says:

so not really part of a bigger entity... yeah they have a majority shareholder, but what company doesnt?

takpro says:

A CEO does have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value, but many make bad decisions none-the-less. And, turning down a big check is not necessarily a breech of that responsibility. Unfortunately, it will not be the customers who make the decision. It will be the FCC and the shareholders.

I personally really like what John Legere is doing at T-Mo. I believe he is changing the carrier mindset in a way that has a financial benefit for the consumers on most carriers; not just T-Mo. They may be the smallest, but the larger carriers are reacting to him. I would like to see what he can do without the interference of another carrier for awhile. Let's just hope the new head of the FCC is a little more tech savvy than the new head of HHS.

RexMaximus says:

SO FULL OF FAIL!!!1!!one

Sprint sucks.

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NoNexus says:

Tmo is worse, so it only makes them both better

RexMaximus says:

They'll probably just merge into one big king of suck.

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Ant34 says:

I've been on both networks. Sprint is worse.

RexMaximus says:

Been on Sprint until 4 months ago. Of the 3 places I relied on it in my home state, it only worked well in one. Another pretended to have service, and the last was in a 3-hour wide hole of no coverage. Sprint is the worst.

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NoNexus says:

in your area

In mine, tmobile has done NOTHING with the network in over 4 years. At least with Sprint it went from decent, to bad, to spotty, to super LTE

Anthony W says:

Well, I live in NYC and Sprint sucked. If they treat the largest city in the US that way it must be hell to be on their network elsewhere in the country.

MERCDROID says:

"...sucked."

That's past tense. Does that mean they don't suck anymore?

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Ant34 says:

When I was on Sprint's network a year ago it sucked. That's all I can attest to since I haven't used network since then. For what it's worth, I haven't heard a good word about Sprint's network from anyone. Their own customers trash it.

Gator352 says:

I'm a Sprint customer and I'm satisfied.In fact, they are great where I live. So now you can't use "I haven't heard a good word about Sprint" anymore.

NoNexus says:

Good Show ol'Chap

I share your view of the state of Sprint where I live.

Gator352 says:

Bloody hell right!

danyzfr6 says:

I'm a Sprint customer and I can say with full confidence that Sprint is horrible (at least in my area). I just did a speed test in down town San Francisco, full bar 4G LTE yielded 1.34 mbps download on Sprint. How can you even call that 4G? I never get more than 6 mbps on Sprint's LTE. And usually it's around 2 or 3.

T-Mobile and Verizon both kill Sprint in terms of coverage and speed in the San Francisco bay area.

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NoNexus says:

I will answer that one.

I do not go often but was up there for a thing in the last 2 weeks. Spotty.

When LTE worked it was pretty nice. Right after the handoff to 3G it was decent. if it was straight 3G it was pretty bad.

From my experience here at home, and taking it to the scale of NYC, they still have a long way to good.

It seems as though they are concentrating more on LTE than the 3G but I do not think that is the case since I *assume* it is the same equipment.

Ant34 says:

That's weird. For some reason my previous comment was posted under Anthony W instead of Ant34.

takpro says:

Which one is worse probably depends on where you live and what your expectations are. The thing with T-Mo, you can leave anytime they fail to meet your expectations.There will always be someone willing to let you sign a contract.

phonegeek says:

The only one that benefits from any t-mobile deal is t-mobile shareholders and a handful of t-mobile employees. Here is why...

1) TMO must find a partner more than any partner needs TMO. Why, spectrum. TMO doesn't have any low band spectrum and small amounts of upper band 1700/1900/2100 spectrum.

2) TMO has no marketable assets. They've sold their towers to Crown Castle, No one is interested in their 1700 spectrum, Sprint wouldn't be interested in their 1700/2100 spectrum, more 1900 on top of what they have now presents technological problems because they'll have too much of it and would require additional cell site gear that doesn't make sense.

3) AT&T/VZN won't be allowed to buy anyone as large as TMO even if they wanted to.

4) TMO is surviving right now but here's the problem. They're constrained on cash and spectrum. The two worst things to be short on in this industry. TMO is doing a great job of selling the hell out the network they have right now. Problem is the more customers they add with high end smartphones the more data they have to cram through that limited amount of spectrum and that will work for another two or three years but by 2016 people will be leaving TMO in droves because their data throughput will be horrible.

Here is business 101, why spend money buying a competitor that will likely die on it's own in less than 5 years? There is no reason to do this. Sprint has more spectrum than AT&T and Verizon combined, yes they have to build a network to use it but I'd rather have that problem than the other because your prospects for growth are much better.

Even if TMO finds some saintly soul to give them $20b what spectrum are they going to buy? Some limited amounts are available and it might be enough to buy them a few years but the other three will likely drive up the price so they'll over pay for it and it really only delays the inevitable.

Now I know TMO customers are a loyal bunch and I get it. They're doing a great job of taking it to the big guys. The analysis above isn't meant to say customers are stupid or anything like that. Get the best deal you can while you can. My comments are simply those of someone who has worked in this industry for 20 years and understands the reality of this business.

PG

NoNexus says:

Spot on old chap!

(apparently using THIS! was outlawed earlier in the thread...)

chazybaz13 says:

This!

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MERCDROID says:

Lol

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MERCDROID says:

Agreed!

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jackwagon06 says:

By your avatar, it seems that Sprint will buy tmo for......." 1 million dollars".....mwah ha ha! Can I get a friggin phone with a laser beam?

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Jay Holm says:

What spectrum are they going to buy? In mid-2015 the FCC is auctioning off the 600mhz spectrum.

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NoNexus says:

that one.

There are a few others being sold as well. If this were to go through, they could sell off some of the higher end and go with the lower which has better puilding penetration. Verizon has been selling some in the 700 range as well. Maybe swap some spectrum with them. Verizon could use the high end for prepaid.

theicecowboy says:

They just bought a big chunk in the 700 band from VZW. It's a newer story on the site...

Throw another argument on the barbie....!

robfactory says:

This works in 4 ways.

First, T-Mobile has been in the news as of late with the uncarrier publicity. Now Sprint rides a long the publicity bus.
Even if they don't make a real bid, Sprint will be associated with T-Mobile during the holidays.
Genius!

2nd, Sprint has the most bandwidth of any carrier. However, they have the higher frequencies. By purchasing T-Mobile they get the low frequencies, which are better for metropolitan cities due to signal penetration. T-Mobile on the other hand doesn't have enough in the long run to cover the nation.

3rd, the whole uncarrier thing. If you look at Sprint's prices they are pretty comparable with T-Mobile's. Deutsch Telekom has been trying to get rid of T mobile for a long time. What do you do then? You let it roam on your own network across other countries and still charge people a a minimal fee. You put a new sticker on the box and take out mandatory subside on new phones and let people choose.

1) Sprint killing the carrier that's doing something good isn't what I would call "good" publicity. Sprint being tied to a purchase of a smaller carrier that's challenging it directly isn't something that drives sales of Sprint phones or contracts.

2) T-Mobile doesn't have any low frequency spectrum, either. It hold 1900MHz and 1700/2100MHz (AWS) spectrum, and has recently been building up cash to try and possibly buy more AWS and/or 700MHz from Verizon. Sprint has spectrum, buying T-Mobile really isn't a spectrum play.

3) Deutsch Telekom has historically been considering an exit on the U.S. market, yes, but T-Mobile is now a public company. DT can sell its stock without much hassle, it can leave any time it wants, it doesn't have to find one big buyer (other than potentially trying to get a premium on the sale of a large chunk).

NoNexus says:

1. No but they pick up the capital afforded everyone on Tmobile, contracts, prepaid, phones.

2. No spectrum isnt the big deal, reach with that spectrum is though. There is little doubt that tmo is better than Sprint in several large cities. Sprint has more coverage in more places so it is win/win on coverage

3. Selling the stock straight out would cause a panic. When the parent company starts dumping huge chunks, the price would go down. Starting a bidding war with Dish drives the price up. Even if the war doesnt happen, they still will get a premium over what ever the stock is currently worth which beats selling it at current value.

robfactory says:

1. Sprint Killing a smaller carrier is something the normal consumer doesn't take into account. Most consumers care about the cost and the service. Ex. Prepaid has a lot of people... why? Because of expense compared to service and few because of no contract. Just look at how many people jump from carrier to carrier because of a phone. 2. Sprint isn't great in metropolitan areas like Manhattan and Chicago. Though, it's getting better, T-Mobile has better reception in places like these. Sprint could turn T-Mobile into a Boost-like prepaid company until it trades off/sells all of its spectrum to other carriers and slowly fades out the name. This would eliminate a lot of the traffic on the other prepaid carriers (Virgin, Boost, etc...) in the short term. 2.The way things are going there are more and more connected devices. Chips now days can support different spectrum frequencies and the hand off is seamless. Just look at Spark for Sprint. These various frequencies could be used for mobile modems or tablets which usually require more data than phones. 3. Though T-Mobile is an openly traded company it still belongs to Deutsch Telekom because of the shares it holds in the company. So my previous comment still stands.

phonegeek says:

Actually Sprint has loads of low band (800 mhz) spectrum as a result of the recently shutdown Nextel network.

They also have more 1900 than t-mobile and the 1700/2100 TMO has would be of no use to Sprint because their network is all 800/1900/2500. Adding 1700/2100 wouldn't work because of the way sites are built for one handsets being able to run and easily hand off to up to five different bands is not feasible either.

PG

robfactory says:

agreed

Not to mention, Sprint is about to take over Revol wireless, a small regional carrier that runs on a 1900 MHz network to boost LTE rollout.

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NoNexus says:

spring is not buying them, just the spectrum/customers. Not the company and all the headaches that go with it

Amir47 says:

This whole post is like dejavu

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bmolloy says:

Sprint cried like a baby when AT&T was going to take over T-Mobile. Now we see why!

NoNexus says:

It was never getting through, knew that from jump

Ant34 says:

Off topic but I still have a Moto X code if someone wants it. It expires on the 16th.

yankeesusa says:

If both companies were the same technology then i would approve. But at this point this is the Nextel chaos all over again. Plus T-Mobile has been doing good on its own the past year. I myself have been a Sprint customer for over 12 years. Recently i moved 2 lines to T-Mobile and i couldn't be happier.
Only way i see this being a plus is them sharing the LTE networks and spectrum.

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NoNexus says:

comparing iden to CMDA or GSM is wrong. iDEN had its own thing, but that is gone now.

CDMA and GSM are irrelevant in the long run, Advanced LTE is here in 5 years. Not to mention tech has come far and we can have phones that can handle both radios (Nexus 5 anyone? Rezound world edition? World Droids?)

t-mo is dying. no money. no bandwidth. orphaned by the parent

Now you see EXACTLY why they have been making the moves they have been. It has been to make them all purty for a buyout. They dressed up a pig to go to the prom.

You get dish or sprint.
Att couldnt get it so no way Verizon does.
I kinda doubt that anyone is beating down the door from overseas.

MERCDROID says:

Spot on, old chap!!

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NoNexus says:

lol... an AC meme is born

flipponater says:

Lol

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Ziptied says:

Could your little erection over Sprint get any larger? It's comical what people think they know.

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NoNexus says:

what did I get wrong?

Gator352 says:

All I need to know is that it works great in my area. And it does.

Erection commenced....

kelayz says:

One is cdma the other is gsm everyone on I mobile end would have to get a new phone because sprint would be buying t mobile and they are standing by their spark network.

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NoNexus says:

do like they did with Nextel. how long was that network up and running?

two words:

World phones, covers both technologies.

HalizDad says:

Just say no... To Sprint.

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chazybaz13 says:

I hope this happens.

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mak916 says:

I hope they don't try to merge the colors too. I don't know what pink and yellow would look like together. Just keep it yellow. Lol

flipponater says:

Spot on,old chap!

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Junior chuxx says:

Who cares? Them 2 Carriers suck monkey balls, let them merge.

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MERCDROID says:

You obviously care, if you took the time to comment, lol.

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"Them 2 Carriers" Smh -_-

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flipponater says:

Dat grammer!!

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Gator352 says:

Them monkey balls are cleaner than what you suck....

I really wouldn't discredit sprint as I would a year ago. Softbank has a lot of backbone behind there bite as they are the Verizon in Asia... They manage to pull a lot of things off over in that territory. Place sprint and t-mobile under that realm, add a bit of spectrum, bring in t-mobile's plan eco-system into play, its just a win all the way around. It may actually have the ability to drive the pigs (Verizon and ATT) to lower prices and be more competitive..

Looks like the tourist from Japan is in shopping spree....

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mtiselin says:

Please let them buy all of US Cellular instead

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Jay Holm says:

That actually makes sense!

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flychinook says:

That's what I would rather see. Much less expensive, they're both CDMA, and Sprint could pick up a tidy bit of towers/coverage, especially in the midwest.

NoNexus says:

Cost isn't an issue, and why pick up the Midwest when you can instantly tap into NY, DC, Boston...

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RexMaximus says:

Sprint has a hoarding problem; it sits on more spectrum than it knows what to do with, buys companies and tech that aren't worth the trouble, and wants to buy a company too big to buy, just because it's there. It needs an intervention to keep its hands out of the cookie jar.

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NoNexus says:

yes and no.

You can never have too much bandwidth. In addition, they bought when it was cheap. What did the last spectrum sale go for?

Tmo is not too big for Softbank. It is pocket change.

RexMaximus says:

That's true. It probably was a smart move and you never can have too much bandwidth, but the fly in the ointment is that Sprint doesn't even have near enough equipment to utilize it and truly call itself a national network. I think it irreparably lost to much goodwill from its past effups and will never recover, SoftBank backing or no.

I've been wrong before though, and I wouldn't mind being wrong here either, honestly.

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NoNexus says:

Your right they screwed the pooch, out of necessity, but still did.

Look at the comeback moto is having. It is possible and with softbank throwing billions around, buying the equipment isn't an issue anymore

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HalizDad says:

This... (and that would be hereby...)

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RexMaximus says:

I was just thinking the same thing about Moto. Google gutted and then revitalized the mobile division to the rising powerhouse it's becoming today. The difference here is that Motorola is still primarily an equipment company. Sprint is a services company heavily dependent on infrastructure equipment that can't, for one second, fail anywhere. Rebuilding Sprint would be no mean task.

SoftBank may need to gut the company and rebuild it bottom up to achieve the success Google has with Moto. That means no more incompetent service reps. That means making the right hand know EVERYTHING the left hand is doing at all times. It means hiring and fielding more tech teams to upgrade and set up new equipment. Hesse and anyone else at the top may have to go, or learn the ropes for a new corporate culture. It means restoring its image. It was relatively easy for Moto to do it between the X8 computing system and making the Motto G a low cost gamechanger. Sprint has tried and failed repeatedly with reforming its image.

I got really, really burned at the end of my time with Sprint. I would never go back, but I also want to see it succeed someday despite my hatred of that company because competition in the mobile space is a very good thing for all of us.

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NoNexus says:

They are doing it right now. They are not upgrading the network, they are replacing it. That is one of the reasons they are taking so long with it.

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RexMaximus says:

I must admit, it is a bit fun to see where it might go with its new fortunes...

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NoNexus says:

If my area is an indication, they are going to be great in late 2014, early 2015.

It depends on how much softbank pours in to get it built faster.

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NoNexus says:

Avatar test

flipponater says:

Exactly

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Jay Holm says:

ATT sits on a lot of spectrum also. Tmo should be busy converting the 850mhz 2G EDGE spectrum over to LTE.

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Hiberny says:

Tmobile has no 850 Mhz spectrum. If only they did...

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OLD_HATCH says:

SPRINT! Focus on getting your damn data network running before anything else you money hungry tightwad hoes!

Gator352 says:

Oxy moron at it's best. "Tightwad hoes". Ever seen a tight hoe? Me either...

flipponater says:

I have seen some loose ones though

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Gator352 says:

Yeah me too. I lost a class ring once...

Gekko says:

funny how Hesse lobbied the government hard disallow AT&T from buying T-Mob.

now it's different?

NoNexus says:

Yeah, it would have made them the undisputed number one carrier.

This merger still keeps them 3rd and increases competitiveness

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seannikk says:

Speaking as a long time, sometimes suffering T-mobile customer...Sprint can suck it! My company uses Sprint for over 200 phones. Quality and coverage are crap at best. Customer service is nil.

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NoNexus says:

You need a better salesman/rep then

hmmm says:

If your company has bad coverage they are doing it wrong. My company has sprint as well and if there is crappy coverage they would put in antennas or a DAS type system to make it work perfectly.

Retinella says:

Oh god, I hope not. I rather like T-Mobile. I just switched to T-Mo from Sprint two months ago.

Cubfan says:

Dumb and dumber. Perfect match.

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NoNexus says:

The Cubs and the Bears? This is not Athlete Central it is Android Central.

Cubfan says:

Har har. My you're clever.

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NoNexus says:

It's a gift

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Gator352 says:

LOL!

Amir47 says:

This

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NoNexus says:

penalty!

Say this after a post is verboten

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flipponater says:

Spot on,old chap!

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flipponater says:

Ooh killem

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pgg101 says:

Just look at Canada. We have no competition. 3 big careers and 2 small carriers that are in chapter 11....and poor coverage. $80-$100 a month with 1 to 3gb a month. Fight this my American friends!

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JeffR714 says:

Please No!

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Orion78 says:

I was planning to leave Sprint to go to T-Mobile next year. Now I read this lol. Should be interesting to see where this goes.

Amir47 says:

Buy a nexus (or a few) and go to AT&T.

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Orion78 says:

Ummmm no thanks.

tdizzel says:

I don't like this idea. I think a better plan would be for someone to take Verizon's network and give it to T-Mobile. That would be a win-win

jamminman001 says:

Sprint can suck it I think I said enough

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jamminman001 says:

Sprint can suck it I think I said enough

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Gator352 says:

Said enough?? It took two posts to say it!

Cubfan says:

The winning comment.

Gator352 says:

Won the #1 Suck IT award for 2013 which is some "tightwad hoes".

flipponater says:

and "them carriers"

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NoNexus says:

Dat

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steviejake says:

I just left the worst data experience in the cellular world collectively known as the Sprint network. On my commute between Sacramento and San Francisco (Nexus 5), Sprint has been the most abysmal phenomenon for data rates. As soon as my contract was finished (customer since 1997) I ran to T-Mobile for the most amazing data rates I have ever seen. Please do not let Sprint totally Screw Up (F--- UP) this supreme network that is the leading edge in innovative contract and user experience that exists in the mobile world. The user experience combined with the reasonable prices are phenomenal. OMG DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN

StevieJ

coinmanmat says:

Hell no! I hate Sprint. I will leave T-Mobile for sure if Sprint even thinks about buying them. I had Sprint before and had nothing but disapointment from them.

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Gator352 says:

That's telling them!....smh

hmmm says:

You would not.

hmmm says:

Just a way for t mobile to get another few $billion for free like last time. It's the only way they survive. I would imagine this plan would also include the guaranteed money.

quailallstar says:

No thanks!!! This is

This is taco Tuesday?
This is Sparta!
This is the end.
This is how we do it?
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flipponater says:

Man,grammer at its finest..completing sentences is just

posting while eating gummybears in your girlfriends bedroom

NoNexus says:

Just peachy?
Da bomb?
Cruddy?
Old skool?

Damn it man, I am a commenter not a clairvoyant

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Gator352 says:

Oh bloody hell mate! Got me rollin' like a West Minster puppy! :)

NoNexus says:

lol

Gator352 says:

What flavor?
They got defeated.
Of what?
By the book?

boyercs says:

I think would be a mistake t mobile has too many things going for them right now.

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Cubfan says:

Sprint has so much promise. Oh, wait... I mean all they do is promise, but never deliver. Just shut up and fix your network.

Speaking of not delivering.

Cubs record 2013:
Wins:66
Loses:96
PCT:.407

I posted a funny meme but it got removed as 'spam'

ಠ益ಠ

NoNexus says:

The Cubs the MLB equivalent of Tony Romo. Even when they are doing well, they find a way to give the game to the other team...

Amir47 says:

As a Cowboys fan.....yeah I can't even get mad. I hate my team owner. He cares more about BS than winning

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Gator352 says:

Kind of like Tampa Bay.

NoNexus says:

dammit man, you have been waiting 105 years, you can wait a little longer...

tigeryee says:

I'm still waiting for wimax in Reno. It was promised in 2010. Guess what? Now waiting for LTE, so go figure. I moved to Las Vegas played with 10 mb LTE and decided to settle for a lower bill and 3 x the internet speed with T-Mobile, so maybe this move isn't that bad

Viktor Prime says:

(Smacks Sprint's hand) Bad Sprint don't touch T-Mobile and be greedy you have your issues to work out.

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Deke218 says:

For the love of Mike! Sprint can't get its own house together. Why would they even consider a take over attempt? I guess it's that time if year again when analyst pull another story out if their collective behinds about crap Sprint wanting to get Big Pinky. I'd rather use 2 tin cans and a string than have anything to do with Sprint. Maybe T-Mobile should buy Sprint and shut it down and sell off the parts. It's a worthless system run by dinosaurs in need of an ice age.

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NoNexus says:

Double comment

NoNexus says:

You know how I know you didn't read a single comment?

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Gator352 says:

Could it be because he said he loves Mike and wants his pinky to stink? :)

NoNexus says:

Just ewww...

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NoNexus says:

Someone turn out the lights, we are done here

LAST!

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Orion78 says:

*Turns off lights* :)

Gator352 says:

*stubs toe on end table*

NoNexus says:

sorry I moved that the other day...

Too many of you are focused on who's buying and who's selling. This will be a merger. The regulators will allow this. The AT&T buyout was not allowed because AT&T would have become too big and would have put Sprint out of business. This deal makes total sense in the long run for the market and for both companies, although the CDMA issue will be challenging.

Rmbrown1964 says:

Don't like it! Sprint is loosing customers and tmobile is coming back. Sprint will bring them down.

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Sprint has the spectrum. TMUS has the business model. It's that simple.

NoNexus says:

The business model only exists to get sold.

It is not sustainable in the long run...

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Hence the merger.

NoNexus says:

spot on ol' chap

alexlam24 says:

I would like to keep myself from going broke thank you very much Sprint.

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NoNexus says:

the prices are comparable, and they are stronger as one....

ltjordan24 says:

I really hope that this is just one of those wild rumors that someone cooked p to get more hit on their blog and the WSJ just ran with it. This would be bad for two very big reasons.
1. Sprint is just now recovering from their last big merger with Nextel and that's only after selling out to Softbank.
2. T-Mobile is the only carrier willing to take some chances when it comes to pricing models (plans and devices) and have already forced the other companies to offer early upgrade plans and now AT&T is offering new plans without subsidies because of what they're doing.

I think this will be amazing. Two weak networks merging, will create fantastic data and coverage.

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