Galaxy Nexus

Apple ... blah blah blah ... Google ... blah blah blah ... Patent ... blah blah blah ... Search ... blah blah blah ... Banned ... Blah blah blah.

Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a shit. Lawyers are doing what lawyers are wont to do. This is only growing more ridiculous with each passing day.

In fact, here's how much I don't care. We're going to give away another Galaxy Nexus right here, right now. Because despite this ruling, they're still shipping. It's just lawyers being lawyers.

Here's how to win: Leave a comment in this post about how messed up all this patent nonsense is. We'll pick a winner by noon EST Saturday, June 30. Everyone's invited. Not just in the U.S.

Here are a few links about today's news, if you still wanna read more: ReutersFOSS Patents

There are 4944 comments

Noob Cydroid says:

A few decades ago, it was, "Make love, not war!"

Today, it should be, "Make advancement, not fight like babies over who copied who regarding what because you've become so insecure about whether or not you can hold a market share with just the quality and potential of your own products thus resorting to pointing fingers which then hinders the amount of time, money, and man power that can be directed towards innovation ending up with frustrated customers who have to deal with seeing this game of manure slinging and rising costs which was almost all started by a somewhat hypocritical leader of a fruit company who became upset that others were copying him despite he himself once said something along the lines of, 'Good artists create, great artists steal' ya bunch of big, thick, daft, insufferable, oafs of rubbish excuses for civilized humans!"

Now, gimme my Galaxy Nexus!

NickAVV says:

Patents make me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry!

dudleynascar says:

Apple can kiss off. Android for life!

PreJamison says:

"Apple has made a clear showing that, in the absence of a preliminary injunction, it is likely to lose substantial market share in the smartphone market and to lose substantial downstream sales of future smartphone purchases and tag-along products," Judge Koh said in Friday's ruling.

Legal translator: "Mom (judge) is taking the ball (competition) away because little Johnny Apple got beat and is crying now. Don't worry little Johnny, mommy took the ball away so they can't win anymore. You are mommy's special little boy."

KingGrimlock says:

nothing insightful to add. my brother is still using a nexus one and 1 would love to win this for him.

dppatel says:

apple is just pissy cause siri has been a failure. to compensate, they are suing others out of existence, even though google's came before their crap. and it just got much better with the new jelly bean release

dppatel says:

apple is just pissy cause siri has been a failure. to compensate, they are suing others out of existence, even though google's came before their crap. and it just got much better with the new jelly bean release

broncop3t3 says:

Patent smatent! Nexus

DCounts says:

I think this has been getting ridiculous. I'm ready for the companies to open their eyes and realize how much of a waste this is.

myculito says:

Just this afternoon, I was finally able to convince my uncle to move his three lines over to the Galaxy Nexii. And now this!

My boiling point has been reached with these patent wars. I'm done!

Lemmy666 says:

Fuck Apple, fuck Steve Jobs, fuck everyone who ever was involved with Apple in general. There rant done. :)

Seggzy says:

Patents are there to protect your creations but its now out of control. There needs to be a revision sense, correct me if im wrong, the patent laws havent changed sense they were created a billion years ago by Grok "the caveman" Patent.

kcodya says:

Google I/O must have spooked ol Apple more than usual.

There is but one way to defeat Apple forever, give me the Galaxy Nexus!

rayrox says:

Apple should look in the mirror and see shame!

Same shit, different patent. If Android does ever get taken down by these patents I guess I'll go back to a dumb phone. I really don't care for any of the other mobile OSs out there.

kirkman81 says:

It's more fucked up than Charlie Sheen, and that mofo be cray cray!

sms5690 says:

I hope this war that Apple is starting comes back to bite them in the ass, in the public's eye, so I can stop hearing everyone talking about them like they are the best thing since KY...

mystro2b says:

do the chickens have large talons? I want a nexus real bad!

foppa78 says:

Its ok. As google and the hardware manufactures build up their patent portfolios they will get even. I think in this case Apple is upset that someone else has issues with wifi radios. Doesnt apple hold the patent for broken wifi?

bdfull3r says:

this what happens when you get to patent a software idea

Silentz0r says:

They patent all, it's a stupid thing. It's more stupid the patent board who approves everything from them.I mean, They should patent the way they sue other companies to stop other's company sellings. I'm sure they'll get an approval.

itsdollar says:

Apple acts a certain way and it gives their userbase a false sense of entitlement. Now please go e me that Nexus!

Vinte419 says:

It is ridiculous, Apple can't seem to innovate or create an original idea anymore so they steal from the competition and sue them until they cant fight back. Make lovely devices, not patent wars!

ilongbored says:

I wonder if there is a way to filter ALL APPLE/ANDROID lawsuits. I think it would make me a happier person. I still think the GNex is the best phone there is. Nexus and on-screen-keys for the win.

e30ernest says:

I think it would be great if Android Central adds a more detailed post about this case. Any case that involves a Nexus device will affect the rest of the Android world given that these are THE reference devices for Android.

I think a majority of readers do not have a clear understanding on what these patents are and how they really relate to Android. A plain layman's explanation on them would be great and well appreciated. :)

I think part of the blame also falls on Google for not filing for enough patents by themselves as well. For Apple to win an injunction based on a search patent against Google is absurd!

martini9x says:

Patents used to be good things, they protected stuff from thieves. Now they are just fodder for trolls. WTF.

Dramer77 says:

apple is just mad that everyone has caught up and passed them on technology... they need to get over it

bschn100 says:

friggin apple, I would rather have a Nexus anyday (like today!!!)

davemacd says:

This is effing ridiculous. A great way to show your defiance in the face of the dumbness of IP law would be to give me a Galaxy Nexus. Please and thank you.

cdmta says:

Screw Apple, screw the carriers, screw obama. There I said it.
Apple is worried about the sweet, sweet, project butter.

milesmcever says:

Apple sure is scared of Samsung for some reason.

Patent fights are getting old. Still hasn't made me get an iPhone over an Android phone.

Treknologist says:

I sure hope that Google decides to get involved in this. An injunction against the Galaxy Nexus does impact Google itself, so they shouldn't stay quiet at this - particularly after such a great I/O! I hope they hit Apple hard, invalidate all these crappy patents, and make Apple wish they'd never messed with Android.

renzi555 says:

I like good beer.

KingGinger55 says:

This is so ridiculous. Is their anyone in the world that cannot tell the two apart? I mean does the picture above look anything like an iPhone?And of course Samsung phones are going to look remotely like apples. What useful smart phone design differs from the black (or white) box? Speaker up top button or two on the bottom and you've got every smartphone in the last five years worth a second look. This was one of my serious contenders for my upgrade in a couple months but not anymore. (*sarcastically) thank you apple for renewing my hatred of you because I was starting to forget.

oldmanboy says:

The protection of greed tramples innovation. Bad apple.

SSmaster says:

I hate lawyers, no wait, I don't, I work for them :)

LuisEP24 says:

We want to protect innovation and we are tired of this senseless lawsuits. We have to stop patents and patent trolls. Please sign the petition to stop software patents!

crespen says:

Apple sucks!

Pasarella says:

Apple is loosing its grip on the smartphone market...they are just scared.

DrEvilGenius says:

I don't mind legitimate lawsuits but the ones Apple have been getting away with are frugal-is. They should check the judges phones to make sure there isn't a conflict of interest!

cdubbsworld says:

seems to me apple is very scared of android this get more crazy by the day

brmets22 says:

Whether it's Apple, Google, Motorola, etc. it doesn't matter. They are all doing it and need to realize it's suppressing innovation across the board. But really crossing fingers for this to be overturned

tanneii says:

Apple is getting squashed by Android and they know only chance they have is to tie them up in court.

descendency says:

Quite a lot of comments...

Screw Apple's patents.

facedown41 says:

total bs, the patent office is completely corrupted and needs a massive overhaul.

Examiner19 says:

You've got to be kidding me. It's clearly time for patent reform. Compete, don't sue.

xybyre says:

Apple is just being a bully with their common-sense patents. I wish Google would stand up for all the device makers, sue Apple to invalidate their patents, and end this once and for all.

DenverRalphy says:

Apple has copied the old Bill Gates method of running Microsoft.

agprime says:

This is silly.
It seems the vague-er the patent, the Patent Office issues it without thought.
Pretty soon, circle, square, triangle, rectangle, etc., will be patented and parents of pre-schoolers will have to sign waivers stating that all paintings made by their children that include any of those shapes will become the property of the respective patent holder or face litigation.

And yes... I would LOVE a Galaxy Nexus so I could text my wife (who owns an iPhone) and tell her she sucks... (for owning that phone...)

(keep your thoughts clean LOL)

narok90 says:

This Is why Apple and Iphones Suck... Just cant take the competition... Just sue to block every competitor. Just look at how many features of Android Apple has copied... Google = Open Source = Freedom with a Capital F!

hcamposjr7 says:

Apple is a bunch of cry babies they can't make a good enough product they make it half way like the apple on their logo so they think they can stop Google because they don't want to play the catch up game.. Android ftw

bjn813 says:

Apple and other companies are trying to run the world but, they can't stop the million Android activations a day each day!

pplatt52 says:

Boo litigation, hooray free &^*%$

rexorz says:

I want one.

Dubyaj says:

It seems only the lawyers are winning, and in the end it will just be higher prices for everyone....

coonster says:

Apple has stated that they have an abundance of money. What do they gain by suing competitors over petty things? Is Apple really insecure enough to think that their competitors having a similar arrangement of icons or a chrome bezel will cause them to lose customers? Even if they did patent a truly great idea, who are they to say that people who prefer other devices shouldn't enjoy it? What they going to patent next? The idea of a device with a touch screen that communicates to mobile phone towers to deliver web content? Give me a break, Apple.

jkurl15 says:

We can all say the patent system is broken all day long. Quick fix for the system. Pay attention to detail. Do proper research on requested patent and stopping drinking at your desk and robo stamping approved.

jhiggi says:

I understand why Apple is doing this, but that does not make it all. Business or not....not right.

flash4yish says:

Sad and pathetic Apple, sad and pathetic.

KRYER1 says:

Patent gold diggers

jfjgg says:

If an apple a day keeps the doctor away, what does filing injunction after injunction for patent violations? Keeps everyone away.

techjpo says:

Wow, it really only does take one bad apple to spoil the bunch!

That Guy says:

I hate to be that guy but this patent thing really bugs me.

mrfett79 says:

I hate Apple. They would not know innovation if it bit them on the ASS!!!! Apple's new slogan should be don't innovate, Litigate.

jwm049 says:

All of these lawsuits do is hurt the consumer. I am a former Apple Fan because I did not think Android was any good because I was uneducated. My brother bought a galaxy nexus and I discovered that Android and their apps and software actually do work and I have now flipped sides. The reason for flipping sides is because I am tired of Apples lawsuites and their closed minded design. If they had their way no other company would be able to sell a phone that is a touch screen.

sslivnick says:

It's crazy.

slvrevoix says:

An apple a day, keeps innovation at bay :P

donate_life says:

I don't care either!!! WHAT IS THE TOPIC? OH YEA.. still don't care!!

k2ldc10 says:

Lawyers lining their pockets. Broken patent system. What a disaster. T
Nothing good comes out of this.

anyhizzle says:

This patent stuff is nonsense...because patents are usually too broad. Besides, Apple has had no shame in adopting Android's notification window. In either case, there's no blatant, word-for-word copy going on. Say no to needless banning, and long live the customer prospering from healthy competition!

aeewhite says:

All these patents are doing is stopping innovation. It really needs to stop.

herabros says:

I guess this patent stuff makes just as much sense as the blah blah blah Phil Nickinson was talking about but backwards halb halb halb! Jeesh.

Frosty21 says:

Can't believe this.

muellerj307 says:

Looks to me like Apple is losing on the open market so they are looking to get some wins in court. I don't care who you are you gotta admit that Apple is not the end all be all of "smart" devices. They have an incredible marketing dept but R&D could use a kick in the pants. Google is kicking butt and not even bothering to take names.

kinfolk248 says:

I wish people would just do what they are gonna do and not worry about whats going on across the street. Thats whats wrong with the world now, everyone too busy trying to be in someone elses life instead of living their own...!!!!!!

ralii says:

Software patents are untenable and stifling innovation! First the bean counters take over a company and gut it, then the lawyers make it worse....

Goldenbrown says:

Apple sucks. Sent from my iPad .

KellyOYeah says:

Apple is just upset with Google because they have made better products of theirs all the while making Apple look stupid and pompous!!!

romiust says:

Everything about the patent system in the US is broken. Heck you can patent life. That's absurd. Apple is losing me as a possible customer with this crap. Just compete with Android the old fashioned way. Make a better product and I will buy it.

blckz28 says:

Blah blah Apple blah blah can suck my blah blah and blah my Harry blah

dannzeman says:

This whole patent nonsense is more screwed up than Sarah Jessica Parker's face!

Wytnite says:

Especially in the technology realm, the current patent laws make no sense. Fighting over who's technical features function like others or who's case looks like another's is holding back innovation and indeed the economy in the US.

Rather than fight amongst each other, Apple and others should work toward unifying formats and functions. It's worked for television, why cant it work for cell phones and tablets?

jimtravis says:

Totally broken, needs a complete overhaul. Eventually karma will catch up with Apple, and their products will be banned based on a vague, "never should have been awarded" patent. Can't wait.

inthepit says:

i understand not wanting much in the way of competition, but all these patent cases are ridiculous. if they are that worried about their product being outsold, then they need to improve it... not make it so there arent any other choices out there...

stab244 says:

All of this patent stuff isn't necessary. Yes innovation is necessary but how the heck is something that looks like Google's ICS lockscreen look like the iPhone lockscreen? It doesn't at all and Apple does not deserve that injunction. Tablet I could see because they're all that general black slab but seriously? From far away sure they're pretty much the same but if it's literally 2 feet from your eyes, I would hope you can tell the difference (no offense to the blind out there).

Muddyml says:

Its sad its come to all this. Apple reminds me of an immature little kid...sueing everybody they feel threatened by.

The system is broken. This has to stop.

chasstaf says:


hispeedworm says:

This is total nonsense

crispybbq says:

Jeez. Samsung could just stop giving Apple their hardware, like their chips and whatnot. But I guess they make too much money that way, so there isn't really any other way to get back at them without suing back.
We all know it's trolling and BS and such. But what can we do? Apple fanbois that also disagree probably aren't willing to boycott their beloved gadgets in protest.
I dunno. Something needs to be done, such that Apple can see how stupid they're being. I long for the day a judge says something along the lines of "oh, Apple again? Case dismissed."

WillSucceed says:

Apple is clearly feeling threatened. Doing anything they can to keep Android devices from releasing and continuing to be sold. Dont you find it sort of ironic that they pushed to ban sale of the phone with the newly released android os; Jellybean. Hmmm, Rotten Apple, just because iOS6 is basically just adding features Android has had on its phone from the get go, you feel the need to deprive us android users the Jellybean experience and a truly great phone; The Galaxy Nexus. Pitiful.

Attictron says:

This doesn't surprise me at all. It's obvious the Apple feels threatened by the S3, I guess we'll just have to wait to see the sales numbers.

Morphdie says:

This patent crap has to stop

littlebone says:

So, it's not actually THIS second. But it's within 86,400 seconds and that's quite reasonable.

Joruus2 says:

Love my Nexus, but I'd love another one.

bigcgar says:

It's a bunch of horse$&?%! In fact dropped my incredible in some and now doesn't work so need a nexus! :)

seiichi01 says:

Patents these days are just plain stupid. They are way too broad and/or very vague to call an actual patent. The patent office needs a fix and fast!!!!

tmismar says:

Every time I hear Apple is suing some Android manufacturer my headache gets worse :(

iceblue says:

Lawsuits are for wimps. Just make better devices Apple!
Gimme a Nexus Phil!

Bob61 says:

I've already got my Nexus - so Apple, here's a big one finger salute to you. And the court to decided on this, I'll be raising two hands in just a moment with a bigger salute to you.

Caseydn says:

Way to go Apple. Please continue to cry like a baby anytime someone has anything somewhat similar to you. Thanks for making a bunch of lawyers even richer.

it makes no sense why don't we see ford filing suit against gm for using headlights in cars why don't we see coke filing suit against pepsi for using sugar in soda if it wasn't for lawyers we wouldn't need lawyers.

WillSucceed says:

BTW, the iPhone 5 is gonna be a bust. Screw you Apple!

daniel2744 says:

Seriously I'm all for protecting your patents but come on Apple what the hell!!! Seriously I think they are worried that Android is making some serious noise as of late seriously.

On other note i want to win lol


Guapo104 says:


hcamposjr7 says:

Apple is a bunch of cry babies they can't make a good enough product they make it half way like the apple on their logo so they think they can stop Google because they don't want to play the catch up game.. Android ftw

woodgabe says:

Patents! Apple! Free galaxy nexus, that's all I heard.

navarrolux says:

The whole patent and legal system is nuts. Glad Android Central is making a stance. Yeah!

wix says:

The patent system is being so abused but no one wants to put a stop to all this nonsense. Why because the patent attorneys out there are making so much money they don't know what to do with themselves. I wish that I had just a small fraction of the money apple and Samsung are pissing away fighting one another, I would use the money and buy myself a brand new Galaxy Nexus.

DroidGnome says:

Patents like this should never have been granted in the first place. The windows XP os back in 2001 already had this feature.. you could search any thing stored on your 'device' (we called it a PC back then), and no matter the source it would find it. Even further back Google was searching the web, which as we all know is a 'search across multiple sources'.

This patent is just crazy and should never have been granted. Even if it was limited to a mobile device as I bet the patent claims, the delivery mechanism should never be considered as a primary basis for a patent.

I know, I'm going to patent searching a users brain for information gathered via multiple sources via a means of triggering specific synapses in the brain by exposing them to external stimuli. Ohh wait, we call that memory! But I bet that would get through the patent office as some futuristic tech.

Slimtoby5150 says:

Even Capt. Hook would tell you bad form Apple.

Wiitard12 says:

Patents(past) /ˈpatnt/ noun: A form of intellectual property that is used to protect one's creative ideas.


Patents(present) /ˈpatnt/ noun: A form of intellectual property that is used to make the unofficial declaration of war by one company(The one who dominates) on another company who could possibly be gaining ground in an area previously dominated. Used by some modern companies.Referred to by the internet term "Patent trolling".

From the Latin word patere, which is defined as "to lay open"


jkovacs says:

The problem is there's too much ridiculous stuff that can be patented. The system has to be scrapped and we need to start over!

WhoMe says:

BAHHHH!!! To hell with the fruit. All smart phones are slabs of glass, innovate FRUIT! INNOVATE!

jtio says:

I love how apple says they don't want to sue and then they sue.

Apple really does have a stick up their rear!

juvogel says:

This better not affect me getting my nexus in the coming week cause i have to have jellybean!!

frappa says:

It is just plain hogwash! Eff Apple.

IncaWarrior says:


This makes Apple look bad, tbh. As if Apple has never stolen or used something. Really? I'm a fan of Apple, but when they do crap like this, it makes me not like then.

JamZo says:

Glad to see at least Google took the high road and did away with Apple bashing at I/O 2012. But then again why bash your opponent when you're clearing winning? Funny how when I think of Google words like openness and innovation come to mind and when I think of Apple the word totalitarian suddenly pops in my head...

spath23 says:

Help, judicial system, our market share is getting eroded! We have no idea why! We're pretty sure that the other side is cheating!

Jesus, they really are gonna spend all the cash they have to fight these battles. Seems like the closest parallel to 1984's endless wars.

jscuzzy says:

Man....just work together and advance technology!!!

Skyeclad says:

I hope those who compete through patent litigation find themselves wishing they had innovated instead.

cz9h3d says:

This is getting real old....

readable says:

Patent wars remind me of two 5 year olds in a sandbox throwing sand at each other and making the other kids have to stop playing with their toys. Patent wars stop all the fun on our technology playground. Can't we just all get along.

The patent war is compete non-sense. Apple is really showing the world that they're running out of innovative ideas, so much so that they starting to file suit against REALLY innovative companies. I was once a iPhone junky I bought into the hype then I bullied others to buy in as well. Then I tried my 1st android (Infuse 4G) then my awaking happen. Apple trapped me into their close minded system of BUY_BUY_BUY, but google was giving you everything for FREE that Apple sold you. To sum it all up Apple is mad that others are beating them at the game they created, so they are looking for any reason to shut those companies down so that they can possible have enough time to re-event the wheel and possibly dominate again....


IncaWarrior says:

i want one!

timbo101 says:

If Apple spent their time and resources on good product development then they could have a great product. Litigation instead of innovation will be the companies undoing.

sethdoy says:

I can't believe Apple has sunk to this way this should even be happening! If you can't beat 'em.......sue 'em!!

philaug says:

I cannot find any words to describe how terrible and unfortunate are the lame patents fights that Apple is utilizing to slow down the Android Army momentum. I can only see a fear from Apple not wanting to be surpass by Samsung and Google itself. I think the biggest problem lies in the fact that the patent business had became too greedy , how can you tell two company with obviously two products competing against each other where the customer is the winner that to abolish one of them because of stupid wording that are sometime revealing themselves as misinterpreted or simply not written in the correct proportion for it`s . I have a great Idea ladies and gentlemen , let`s explain to the first human being who had control the use of fire that we are now using it in our everyday life and that he needs to bring everybody in court . Technology is meant to be change and challenge , what is apple purpose by constantly looking to fight a patent war against Samsung while the main concern here is Google Android , Apple`s greatest fear. Galaxy Nexus is manufactured by Samsung , however android 4.0 is the main concern. Now Google is launching the nexus 7 , be prepare to see some form of patent fights when the sales figures emerged and that Apple find out that It is not only crushing the Kindle Fire but eventually taking some Market share off the Ipad too. All that I can say is let` s send out message Out Loud to stop these stupid patent fights costing million and million of dollars in Court while a better use of that money could have serve a well deserve donation for children in the world who can`t even found food and water to servive.

IncaWarrior says:

btw, Apple sucks.

shabu says:

Apple's motto: Innovation through litigation...

umbroumbro says:

These days apple are not able to do a good job on their own iOS, and try to ban others to force people using Apple? Damn, that is quite mean. F~~U

danski says:

The patent system needs to be abolished for code. There are different to achieve the same thing but judges don't dive far enough to understand that. Stop granting vague patents.

easymate says:

Why on hearth in the 20th century we have patent wars? This is when business strategies, driven by potential market share and huge profits, dive into luxury court trials. Why is Apple after Samsung, HTC, Motorola, call it Google, and viceversa? It's the fight to see who gets the biggest slice of our dollars when we opt for one device or the other. A fight which Microsoft has only recently joined directly by bringing their own hardware to the table, although they already earn $5 a piece on Android out of patent litigation, poor things...

The last 3 years have shown to us customers how important our views are for all of them names above and also RIM+Nokia. Do you like Android or iOS? I use both and I like and dislike things about each. Functionality, usability and for some maybe the looks are what makes us reach deep into our wallets. But seriously, are we getting the best deal one way or another? I personally don't think so.

Every single one of the main players have brilliant, unique, magic and fun ideas and inventions, it's amazing what they can come up with! But there is only one way to swipe a finger on a screen left or right... One company has IP on the left swipe, the other on the right one and they hang on to them like vicious, greedy bulldogs! "They copied us we will go thermospastic on them!"... And they actually did!

How about sharing the knowledge and let everyone use everyone else inventions? If a screen unlock is well thought and spontaneous for many users why not have it on every device possible free to implement? Each manufacturer and their products would greatly benefit from sharing IP rather than spending millions in courts and licensing. This could pave the way for new devices with all the great features that impresses us the most independently on who discovered it first. Every gadget could have a different feel and touch but only the best ideas would be implemented to guarantee success on the market. It's a win for the end user.

I dream one day IP to be gone in an industry where research labs cooperate instead of hiding and protecting their discoveries. From the first Symbian OS to Jelly Bean and iOS 6 it has been a long, hard but fruitful ride, let those ideas and intuitions flow free and put them to good use! Can you imagine the possibilities then?

Mushdagrt says:

Fight the power..

mbj8448 says:

Compete in the marketplace, not in the courtroom!

favmexican says:

its so stupid apple should really stop this i mean they copied android on notification center and Google hasn't done a thing about this maybe they should and sew the crap out of apple

Dr0me says:

Such blatant patent trolling. Very anti consumer.

favmexican says:

its so stupid apple should really stop this i mean they copied android on notification center and Google hasn't done a thing about this maybe they should and sew the crap out of apple

austere says:

stupid patent wars

dmb219 says:

The patents and lawsuits are legal bs. These companies should strive to better the competition, not ban their products. Consumers are smarter than they are being given credit for.

MarcSMASH says:

It is absolutely ridiculous. As if I would ever buy an Apple product. But, after hearing nothing but Apple suing this and Apple suing that, I will not allow my wife to buy that iPhone she is wanting. Take that Apple! =)

Linszter says:

The patent war is bad for innovation.

Zam Zul says:

Next apple will be saying that they invented the phone

ALF2017 says:

I'm just tired of this. Apple is so unable to to stand a little fair competition that they would rather resort to crying to to the the ref. than just standing up and playing the game.

ReaganDee says:

Heck ... why not ... I will take one of those beautiful devices!

abstractglam says:

These patent wars are a joke and it seems obvious that manufactures, especially Apple are more concerned about losing sales than about the actual patents themselves. It's like they are throwing a public temper tantrum because they fear competition... PATHETIC. Apple... you have enough iSheep leave us Android lovers be... you're making me not want to by anything from Apple at all. Shame too because I like MacBooks.

Jamesbkk says:

Shit is all around. Patent is good for business, not for human living (us) Why don't they share to make the whole world higher.

cj100570 says:

I've ceased to give a f**k about the patent system and patent law. The system is beyond broken. Apple is being granted patents left and right for things that are not only prior art but also so obvious that they should not even pass muster when being considered as patentable. And these judges, don't even get me started. Most don't even seem to understand the technologies they're making rulings on.

Fraggle79 says:

Apple shouldn't be allowed to keep filling what seems like the same patent disputes over and over, and in many cases in multiple countries at once. They should be allowed to file only once per device with all the infringements included, and only with the ITC (International Trade Comission). They just attacking everyone (Android and partners) with their freakin lawyers over and over.

dje629 says:

They need to stop with all the lawsuits and let their products speak for themselves! Its ridiculious!

stakuo says:

this is so stupid, when will this nonsense stop?

Ronnie2 says:

This patent bs has to stop somewhere. It only hurts us, the consumer. Apple has to be stopped.

mca25 says:

Apple Blows!!

rd_ac says:

The whole patent thing does not make any sense anymore. Someone needs to step up (perhaps a judge like we saw recently) and stop this..

oldmanflair says:


ryanh24 says:

I use Apple products...and even I admit that these patent wars are completely bat**** crazy!

Suprtrukr425 says:

I always thought that when the competition arose, that it was your job to rise to the challenge, not use shady immoral tactics to attempt to stay on top.

Everyone needs to focus on making the best product available. Beat the competition but don't get in their way.

Nicketmaster says:

This patent crap is so pointless. Just put out a device, let people decide if they like it better than the other choices out there, and shut up.

chrgnthru says:

This is getting ridiculous.

tkurtz says:

I understand the need for patents, but I think the patent system needs to be looked at in a serious way. This stuff is getting way out of hand.

Why can't each company just build the best they have, leave nothing on the table and let consumers such as ourselves speak with our green backs!!!

r007 says:

It's understandable they need to defend their patents... but... when the lawyers fight, the consumers lose... On both sides, apple consumers and android consumers.

edyts says:

they're just scared cause android is leaps and bounds ahead of ios.

ottscay says:

If you can't compete, sue. The silver lining here is that Google should be admitted to the case as an injured party at this point, and they should bring the full might of their "prior art" legal team with them. All four of the asserted patents are obvious based on prior art, and Google needs to do the grunt work to get them invalidated, since Samsung's lawyers apparently don't understand IP law well enough.

@Steve Cook - I was so impressed with the Retina Display Macbook Pro that I was considering getting one. Guess how over that shit is for me now?

dalovering says:

While I agree with patents, the system is really being farcically abused. I wish it were more immune to "patent sharks" such as Apple, wasting money just to get in other companies' ways.

drtysouf21 says:


work4crown says:

I think all the patent lawsuits from Apple actually work against them as a company even when the win in Court because they come off looking like lists. Every time I see something like this it annoys me and I want to buy the competing product just to spite them.

bubby323 says:

These patent wars are disgusting. If Apple would actually make a product worth buying they wouldn't have to eliminate the competition with patents and lawyers.

I would love to have one of these to develop on Jellybean with.
Best of luck to everyone here!

buff6676 says:

I am not an apple fan.... never will be, android all day!

jalbrant says:

These patent battles just end up hurting consumers. Petty if you ask me.

moelsen says:

Apple is a big crybaby. Someone needs to stick it to them. I hope google steps up now.

This is getting ridiculous. I've said it before and I will say it again. All of the major mobile patttent holders Google/Motorola HP/Palm. RIM.and Microsoft all need to get together, pool their resources and sue Apple off the planet. Apple needs to STFU, die, or get zapped with so many licensing fees the cost of the iPhone and iPad double.

imneveral0ne says:

This is why Apple will lose the phone wars. They really are gonna lose everything they have!

Mattsrow says:

All this patent crap is getting ridiculous. Companies need to stop crying to judges about their patents and get back to outdoing each other.

eggzackary says:

Can't we all just get along?

Orkchop says:

Yeah, they need to do away with software patents entirely.

The Tick077 says:

So it makes me sick how much of a patent troll apple has become. That is all.

scottyhifi says:

Can't stand the current patent system. With congress the way it is I doubt anything will be solved anytime soon. But with a brand spanking new Galaxy Nexus 'I' would feel better about the whole thing.

amayesing says:

Apple needs to get over themselves. Its bull$#!?.

ryancl25 says:

Booooo...urns, Apple.

N1NJA says:

Would be really nice if Obama could fine a way to outlaw software patents!

bumpysig says:

Proof that patent reform needs to happen now.

dkanrjsk says:

Apple always sue's other company that makes smartphones.. instead why dont they use that money to make their Iphones a bit more reliable.. Always sueing companies that they buy their parts from.. I think this nonsense has to stop now.

melaski7399 says:

This is so STUPID!!! Apple can suck it!

Jayry55 says:

This is ridiculous! Just as I was about to get one too...

Vegetto2 says:

An Apple a day may keep the doctors away but not the lawyers at bay.

Bedstraps says:

This makes me dislike lawyers.

cmdr430 says:

The irony...

Lets sue Samsung and Google since we all sleep in the same bed anyways....

mazzmoney95 says:

I dont get all the hate Apple gets. They are very innovative.
At finding new ways to sue companies that threaten them.
That has to count for something right?

blufriktion says:

this is absolute BULL!!! Apple is such a patent troll!!!

the gator says:

An android can beat up your apple.

bawoo says:

People killing, people dying
Children hurtin', hear them crying
Can you practice what you preach
Or would you turn the other cheek
Father father father father
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questioning
Where is the love

where is the love by Black Eyed Peas..

Where is the love Apple, where is it...

ForTheGlory says:

software patent reform is needed now more than ever.

Rob220 says:

We the consumers are the real losers of these silly lawsuits.

Kiddvid says:

I can't believe this actually got upheld! A phone is a phone. We all expect them to do certain things.

lionsson says:

Patents were to lets inventors enjoy the fruits of their innovations. But now include ridiculous broad ideas. When a company can go to court over patents on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches proves the system is broken.

blackbyrd says:

I'm so tired of reading this patent bs every day. It's like watching a playoff game where the refs keep making garbage calls. Let em play! Phil, can you make it stop?

P.S. Hey Apple... Nobody is confusing Android products for iOS products. Give it up!

sleetish says:

There is nothing I can put into words that can quantify the idiocy of allowing companies with billions of dollars to patent and lay claim to owning the blatantly obvious.

The only solace I have is knowing at least those bastards at Apple have to pay more on Orbitz.

hawklet00 says:

all the tech compainies need to stop acting like spolied brats and just concentrate on making a good product. everying in the mobile arena is going to be similar to eachother so they just need to accept it and move on. this is getting really rediculous

riverdragon says:

I am now ready for two things:
1. Ready for Google to boot up the WOPR and declare thermonuclear war on Apple.
2. Ready to win a Galaxy Nexus so I can give it to somebody in my family currently using an iPhone to make a new convert. :-)

Thanks, Android Central!

madeincanon says:

Focus on the future
Focus on trying to flat out BEAT your competitors
Stop wasting money manipulating the patent system (although it does need to be rethought)
Don't be evil

sonicmyst2 says:

Apple and Samsung should have a good competition by focusing on imprpving their products, not by waging wars through patents! Patents just ruin the competition for example is the unified search. Nowadays it seems very common to all phones to have a unified search. Just let the people choose whoch functionality performs better! Another example is the so-called size and shape patent for the phone, do they expect other phone makers to build a triangular phone? This patent war really does not help in giving the consumers the right to choose.

Red261 says:

The entire patent system is broken and apple is abusing it as much as they can. They no longer have the best technology, so they are desperately trying everything they can.

gdgtgeek says:

As a would be patent lawyer, I always enjoy reading the comments here. I just want my galaxy nexus!

jacari91 says:

Protecting your tech is all fine and dandy, but now this is getting ridiculous.

ulnek says:

all this stupid patent crap is just nonsense because everything about smartphones is basically similar in function to another so that's infringing on someone's patent somewhere.

bdmridgback says:

Does apple hold any patents on Apple Sauce?

Cold Apple sauce sounds good right now...mmmmm
....and a Nexus of course!

Zulu Warrior says:

I really wish Apple would stop this... it's just annoying.

tm4n88 says:

After an amazing I/O from the last 2 days apple got so jelous they decided to throw this bullshit on googles face way to go apple you won me over NOOOOOOOOOOT Jerkoff company they will never ever get my money ever ANDROID FOREVER !!!!!

crowordove says:

I ..... blah, blah, blah..... win...... blah, blah, blah........ Apple...... blah, blah, blah........ sucks.......... a lot.

sanstrom says:

Can't innovate sue. So only the nexus has slide to unlock. Do they only sue to stop popular phones then? Seems to be the case. U suck apple. U suck

Joems300 says:

What do you call 1000 lawyers holding hands under water??
A good start! ;-)

Dinehtah says:

If Apple put a much money into innovation a they do into lawsuits we'd be bowing to the almighty SIRI (instead of IBM's HAL) by now.

artnoc310 says:

Patents schmatents. Quit trying to win an iPhone-oploly in court. Just make a better phone. Oh and I'd love a Gnex.

phattysalz says:

I'd take a free Galaxy Nexus!

EmrysTal says:

Really dislike that judges are still making bad decisions about patents that should never have been issued.

Ruaille says:

From what I've seen of expo videos etc. Google's voice-search software look's a whole lot better than Siri. Much more responsive and the auto-correct for context looks so overlooked and awesome. So, with the little knowledge I have of this extensive case, I think that Apple is scared because Google's smartphones and tablets are reaching a wider market than Apples.

Apple is just too over-priced, though I love iMacs, I can't say I'm particularly impressed by iPhone's or iPads. Given to believe what I have read and heard, my biggest concern about Apple's tablet and phone devices is that when you buy them, you sign a contract effectively saying that you can't make any fundamental changes to your product. To me this is basically saying that Apple still owns the product. It's like buying a car but not being able to modify it's engine. Of course, people still do, but the option is still there for Apple maybe prosecute or reclaim your device. (Though I don't know how enforceable this is.

Android on the other hand, is yours. You can make whatever changes to it you want. Android is also potentially covering a much wider market because it can be used on so many devices. iOS is limited to apple devices.
I think it is for these reasons that Apple are trying to cut off Google and it's collaborators at every turn, slide to unlock, data tapping, autocorrect and, I expect, many more features in the future.

I have been skeptical about most smartphones, even Apple couldn't sway me so I was pretty set on not getting a tablet device of any kind...
That was until the Nexus was announced. I'm definitely going to buy one when I can afford it but since there's a chance (albeit a slim one) of winning one I'll most certainly put my name in the hat.

PS: Excuse me if I'm misinformed in anyway and feel free to correct me.

mytharak says:

It's sad that Apple can't compete fairly so they resort to childish patent trolling. It's almost as if Hitler were the CEO.

stevetrooper says:

The patent system needs an overhaul. A new Nexus sure would help!

pdiddyfan says:

Can't we all just get along!? Seriously?

entropism says:

I love how they called for an end to the frivolous lawsuits the filed their own a day or two later.

GNRPowdeR says:

The doushbaggary present within the "World Economy" seems to have no end... I truly miss the days when people actually worked together to accomplish greatness and it didn't require a Supreme Court Justice to delcair whom had the idea first! It's called "reverse engineering" and it's been used for decades / centuries by people to help create the "next big thing!" for whatever industry.

jujoba says:

How they got a judge to believe that Samsung is copying them is a mockery. Nobody in thier right mind would think a Galaxy Nexus looks anything like an iDouche.Apple is still talking about how Sammy is copying them, when in fact Sammy in making a superior product.

JDWallace says:

I'm patenting the world in general, so I WIN!!

Nada1117 says:

Good. Im not saying I like iOS closed ecosystem but this is not about which os we like better it's about which one copied the other and android may be better but you cannot deny that android blatantly copied iOS. Some of samsungs phone chargers have changed and now look almost exactly like iPhone chargers. It's these small things that really seem like nothing but most android phones look like iPhones. That's a fact.

tuxedojacob says:

It's really telling when a company chooses to try and compete by lawsuit instead of technology and innovation.

I hate apples. I prefer ice cream sandwiches.

drewsammie says:

Its getting so wacky with these lawsuits you don't know who to believe.

hmmm says:

Patent wars suck. I'd like a Galaxy Nexus to shove in the face of that judge.

JumboBob says:

Apple has to file patent lawsuits just to slow down the Android ecosystem. They know they can't beat a system that actually releases new hardware from multiple manufacturers consistently throughout the year and an OS that has major updates nearly twice a year.

The irony is that they sue companies because their phones are too much like theirs and then launch their newest iPhone with last years' Android hardware and many of the features from Android's software!

sebriskin says:

I am so tired of this crap! They need to reform the whole patent system...

butters619 says:

The problem with the software patent system is that companies purposefully make their patent as broad as possible and then work with the patent office to make it specific enough to patent but broad enough to trap as many others as they can. It stifles innovation and isn't good for anybody.

DROPkick669 says:

It's pitiful how much effort Apple puts into trying to tear android down with all these patent suits. Hurts Apple's image and it isn't going to work. All I know is I will be walking into every Apple store I ever see, shouting at the top of my lungs about all the Jelly Bean awesomeness at my fingertips, just to rub it in their faces. And if I win this contest, I'll do it double fisting gnexes. Might hurt my image a little bit, but hey, they started it.

octacolover says:

What's the reason this time? Because the GNex makes phone calls?

saj1082 says:

The patent system is so broken. Instead of inspiring innovation, it's stifling it. Apple just cant handle the fact that Samsung and others are doing things better.

Android > iOS.

The reason apple does this is because they feel threatened.....huh shocker!

altrntive says:

I feel as though i would have a kick ass phone if it wast for all the millions lost in innovation because of patent trolls. Maybe phones would even be cheaper. some sort of truce needs to be made.

SprintingMan says:

The fault lies half with Apple, and half with the government. Apple - because they are losing the smartphone battle and are trying to "win" by suing their competitors into bankruptcy. Government - for granting ridiculous patents in an effort to have the patent office make more money. 80% of the patents in the last 5 years shouldn't have been granted.

ispanish says:

what a shame from apple

casper5090 says:

can't wait to git rid of my iphone and switch to android. This whole apple patent trolling makes me not want to support them.

ogonba says:

Samsung rocks.!

akzand#AC says:

Ugh consumers lose again.

mdbrotha03 says:

The worst part of this s Apple will continue to steal ideas from its competitors and get away with it.

enfuego360 says:

while i understand patents protecting peoples ideas... patents just hurt the consumer. competition is good!

"I am Bunique4life. And I see a whole army of my android-men,
here in defiance of Apple! You have come to fight as open-source men. And
open source man you are! What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?"



aaronbwells says:

Interesting how none of this nonsense really started until AFTER Apple lost its majority market share. The company is just butthurt that Android was better able to suit the needs of the masses. I get it, Apple. You did put a LOT of effort into the iPhone and it definitely sucks that you're not getting what you think you deserve, but the name of the game is competition and you suing the pants off of everyone and trying to monopolize the ecosystem is counter-intuitive. For you AND the consumers. Grow up.

MaulingDeOso says:

Of course it's foolish. They're suing to coax a licensing deal out of it.

Link995 says:

I guess some companies will do anything when they know they can't compete with the competition. Thank you for this great opportunity

The United States legal system is a joke... This country is falling apart at the seams and these petty litigations are just representative of a bigger problem. It is really disappointing to see a company like Apple, who has been instrumental in bringing great products to consumers, deciding to take the easy way out and sue rather than step up to the challenge presented by Android and rise to the occasion.

DevilBomb says:

Someone needs to file a patent for patent suing, and then sue Apple when they do this.
Of course, that would probably create some sort of paradox and destroy the universe. Skynet becomes self-aware, the zombie apocalypse begins, yada-yada-yada, you know the drill.

Way to go Apple. I always knew you'd be the death of us all.

drakester09 says:

Patents are a mess. Judge seems heavily Apple biased. Other judges have not fallen for this BS.
Apple no longer innovates - arguably it never did. They now sue and strongarm competition.

I will NEVER give a single dollar to Apple. It's BS.

HermansHead says:

Give it a rest Apple. You're just making yourself look bad.

Darkwing6723 says:

Apple really sucks, they just don't want anyone to compete with their devices and this gives apple more publicity.

yellar says:

I think this is getting beyond stupid. People buy android because they don't like Apple. Doesn't make a damn who makes it. But they only seem to go after the android phones selling really well. Besides this one seems more like an assault against android and not Samsung because its pure Google on the nexus. I doubt this goes much of anywhere. If it does every single android phone could get banned.

ki_lan says:

The practice of trademarking and patenting and copyright is in of itself ridiculous and inherently stifles innovation and growth. But the level to which the United States has allowed patents to get out of hand baffles the mind. I would, however, like to defend someone, the lawyers. A lot of the comments and even the original post blame lawyers for the childish back and forth between tech companies. It is understandable considering the lawyers are the face of the events happening. However, lawyers are bound to serve two people, the law and the companies they represent. If the U.S. Patent laws were not so broad and incomprehensible then the lawyers would not be able nor need to insistently file lawsuits. Another important player who should receive a healthy portion of the blame, is the companies themselves. Assuming a capitalist mindset (which I personally believe is part of the problem but I do not wish to make this comment any longer so will refrain from delving into it), the way companies are now trying to make money is fundamentally flawed and only serves to harm society as a whole. Instead of trying to innovate in order to gain an upper hand in the market, tech companies are using patents to push existing companies out of the market and to prevent new ones from entering. This keeps the progress slow, and therefore cheaper, as well as keeps prices artificially inflated. In short, if you would like to blame someone for all of these frivolous lawsuits, blame Congress and the companies who file the suits.

I could not agree more. Well said... Well said...

konigtaco says:

messed up indeed! after all the great stuff coming out of this weeks IO this just feels like a sad attempt by the once dominant player in the industry to desperately hold onto a market which is slipping out of their hands ... sad

Gauravk88 says:

Someone should ask the judge if she really wants only one company's products to be used by consumers there by restricting choice and freedom which is my right.
I completely disagree with the ruling and wish there is some common sense left in these judges.
I will never buy anything from apple for their worst behaviour and arrogance.
Shame on you apple and I hope soon this patent non sense backbites you!!!

As much as I hate Apple and I'm thankful that I've never bought an Apple product, the real problem is the US Patent office. Clearly these people that award the patents have no business making these decisions. Let's come together and better humanity not our share holders pockets. There should not be patents for software or processes. It kills competition and innovation. Tell Apple to stop suing everything it can buy not giving them your money.

ajhall62 says:

They are just nickel and diming each other. And the consumers are the ones to pay in the end. The companies aren't going to lose money.

scottpapak says:

Help me ditch this IPhone!!

hurricanes17 says:

Androids are awesome and Apple is feeling threatened by Androids. I'd love to have a Nexus (Verizon)

hobojoe2010 says:

I don't even care enough to say why I think what apple is doing is nonsense... Just send me the nexus!

I can't wait until apple gets a taste of the it's own medicine.

It's all crap, espeically since over half of the patents that make the iphone "unique" are ones they stole, I mean procured, from Palm.

TexasEpic4G says:

Apple is CRAZY !!!! Lawsuit = Slawsuit = Blah-Blah-Blah .... Ain't NOTHING out there that SOMEONE didn't offer first ( maybe some of the individual folks who actually came up some of these great ideas should sue Apple for stuff they invented and Apple uses ) .... this phone is COOL !

rediict says:

I get the fact that Apple wants to protect its assets from people copying it. However, the broad scope of those patents that Apple ends up patenting shouldn't even have ended up being approved. This is another example of Apple stifling innovation just to protect its company. Apple comes off as the bully here as innovation suffers. The Galaxy Nexus doesn't even have anything remotely similar to the iPhone or iPad. Competition is getting stamped out all right, not due to consumers' sales, but rather Apple using the law to its advantage.

jutaejrevo4g says:

If you can't beat them, sue the heck out of them!

beavertank says:

The whole point of patents is to give someone an exclusive period of time to exploit their IP and make back the cost of producing it. They do NOT exist to try to knock someone else out of the market by filing overly broad and generalized patents.

This whole thing is just an idiotic abuse of the system. Apple can go to hell.

smooth3006 says:

and the steve jobs legacy lives on and on...

sos710m says:

Apple really needs to stop all the nonsense with court and just go back to originality. They aren't offering what people want anymore so they use ridiculous patent claims to suppress companies from giving us what we want. We aren't all sheeples. Stop with the patents and be customer minded.

br3akfast says:

Just shows how scared they really are of Android. They need to drop all the lawyers and use that money to hire more developers with new ideas.

camwil says:

"Two Iphones walk into a bar...I forget the rest." Jellybean has propelled Android past any comprehensive mobile operating system and now Apple, is afraid. Apple may have popularized the touchscreen but Android elevates and continues to tweak, growth will plateau; but Android will be the first mobile os to make that leap into something different. Eclipsing the lines between user and computer and thus maybe a.i one day as the internet already is.

dcissell says:

Would be awesome if we could get some patent reform to look more closely at stuff like this!

andoshitzz says:

i hate patent!

chinomon says:

all this Patent crap is so much "Bull!", all I see is Apple being a patent-Troll. If Apple sews you, you know you're doing it right! ;)

cayala0501 says:

Apple way of innovating

Droid Nigel says:

This is so messed up.Im sure apple will patent the action of suing other companies about patents.

go4craig says:

I am ashamed to say I own an iPhone right now. Apple needs to stop trying to play the victim card. It's obvious they aren't innovating quick enough to keep up with Google and Android, so they are trying to slow them down by any means necessary. I would really appreciate the Nexus so I could get rid of this blasted iPhone that doesn't do half of what the Nexus can do!

devildog1985 says:

all these patents lawsuits are bullshit, glad military is using android system now

jumboadam says:

Honestly, this is simply stupid. who get an upgrade in 22 days? this guy. what phone is going to be unavailable at that time? this one. who is losing unlimited data and getting screwed over by being bumped down to 2gb/month due to lovely new "share everything" plans by Verizon? this guy. woo-friggen-hooo. screw patents. this isn't fair. give me hope?

nemov says:

Snap one up for me!

jlajorge says:

Greed is what will start slowing down innovation in this wonderful world of technology.

jbsyst says:

...meanwhile, Google innovates.

Apple can't win the long haul because its tech has painted itself in a corner. These legal topicality arguments are a fool's errand. If not Samsung, it will be four other phone makers tomorrow. Adapt and evolve, Apple! Or better yet, fall off the tree already.

aledelcastle says:

I'm afraid of eating apples, Apple might just want to sue me for recreating their company logo...

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

"The loudest one in the room, is the weakest one in the room." - Frank Lucas (American Gangster)

Big-A-Rob says:

This is seriously enough. We need to start a petition to the patent office to stop this shit. Apple is looking really pathetic right now and making our country look bad.


apple is just Scare... that's all...

prdone says:

apple sucks

Tuck says:

When innovation eludes, I guess patent trolling is a viable plan B.

hamblindave says:

The entire patent system needs to be redefined, in my opinion. It is broken.

grn4frk says:

I wish there was a way to stop Apple. Every person (that I know of) who has an iPhone doesn't even care about this nonsense. I have always stood behind Android and I don't understand why Apple wants to sue everyone..well I do..but I don't see why they can't just innovate themselves. I wouldn't doubt if WP8 takes off, they'll be suing them too. Apple did not invent the smartphone or touchsreen phone, so why must they sue everyone who makes one that's successful. Not everyone wants a phone that has stayed the same since it's inception. That's one reason I will never get an iPhone and will stick with Android, I like improvements and redesigns. If you hold an original iPhone 3 and a 4S..the software essentially looks the same. It just pisses me off and I won't be buying an iPhone when my upgrade is available later this year with Verizon, that's for sure.

llamaism says:

My girlfriend got herself an iPhone 4 last year. However, after seeing my GNote and reading about what Apple's lawyers have been doing to the competition, she wants to get out of the Apple ecosystem. We both agree that Apple is not the only culprit in this ongoing patent war, but they are definitely the worst.