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New rules see standard VAT of 20% to be paid from January 1 2015

Buried within the recent Budget, it seems that UK Chancellor, George Osborne, has announced that digital content downloads will pay tax based on the country they are sold in. In other words all content from Google Play, Amazon, iTunes and so on, will be subject to the standard UK rate of VAT at 20%.

That's a pretty substantial increase on the rate of tax paid when the content is sold through other European countries, such as Luxembourg, and could bring an end to the 99p song download and raise the price of books, apps and games. The rules are set to come into effect on January 1 2015. For the Government it means more revenues, for the rest of us it just means that something else we love will cost more money.

Source: The Guardian

 
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Will this effect other countries out side of the UK?

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No, it's a UK tax and only affects purchases made in the UK Play Store.

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TheDu9du says:

The sad truth is that corps are managed by budgets. Budgets are created by analysts. These analysts will say that the revenue will decrease from UK. They'll have to elaborate: how about we make up the revenue by increasing prices not just in the UK but elsewhere where elasticity is low... and that's when it'll affect other countries outside the UK.

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mcoutts81 says:

A-typical UK government. Increase on everything. Sometimes they make it really difficult....

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Gator352 says:

And you think the US government is full of roses?

mcoutts81 says:

No I'm sure they're not but in the UK we seem to be getting hit at every juncture. I agree that it brings digital media in line with physical but it just seems like another way to squeeze money out of us.

Although I've just a report that iTunes users may see a reduction in cost since they charge a VAT of 23% based on Irish origin.

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gopher1369 says:

They aren't increasing tax, they're reducing tax avoidance.

What he said

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I'm not happy about it either but at the end of the day why should it be exempt from VAT if physical media isn't?

I think we've been lucky to go this long without having to pay it.

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TheMillsDad says:

+1

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cowboys2000 says:

+1

twolastnames says:

Don't take this the wrong way, but that is the attitude the politicians use to keep adding on taxes like this. Not that this should be the tax Brits use to make a stand, but some day your going to have to. I don't see any governnents, except maybe a few state governments in the US actually lowering taxes anytime soon.

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vpblaze says:

Well said!

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brendilon says:

Lower taxes means lower services. And those states that are considering lowering taxes already have some of the worst schools and infrastructure in the nation. But hey, it's worth it to pay $40 a year less per person right? The US needs lower taxes like it needs a hole in the head.
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Grung says:

LOWER SERVICES? Get off your butt and try doing something for yourself. New Hampshire=low taxes. Check their student's standardized test results at all grade levels. Probably higher than your state. brendilon--> lives off taxpayers.

paulw3 says:

The Poms will just roll over and except it.

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Ah well. That means that prices will be almost in line with here in Belgium for me. That's better for my pocket, the difference in cost has been a real strain. Trust me the cost of goods and services in the UK still aren't that high.

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Jason Neill says:

Rip off Britain once again. And good old Tories, hit android while apple still avoid tax. Steve jobs ghost is a Tory.

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I think you'll find it applies to iTunes also.

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grydlok says:

"n other words all content from Google Play, Amazon, iTunes and so on, will be subject to the standard UK rate of VAT at 20%."

Wow. Couldn't wait to get that jab in, huh? Even skipped important parts of the article.

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fuzzylumpkin says:

The order of operations for the internet: Read, think, post. People (including me) seldom follow this.

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I don't know about you, but as a sensible high tax paying individual, I am happy about this even though it means a price increase. More money raised for the exchequer = more public spending/less tax elsewhere.

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DimSumDan says:

Is this likely to affect the Google Play All Access monthly subscription price?

brendilon says:

Yes.

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joem5636 says:

Time to VPN to a tax haven when buying?

Pay your VAT. Doesn't it come back to you in government services?

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And what services would those be?

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brendilon says:

Schools, roads, healthcare... Nothing important obviously.

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gopher1369 says:

Not healthcare, that's paid for by national insurance. Also, not roads, paid for by council tax!

Daf L says:

Healthcare is paid out of general taxation. Roads are responsibilities of local and national government depending on their classification.

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Roads? Really? You taking the piss?

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Everything you take for granted

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I take nothing for granted

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It depends on what they plan on using the income for. Taxes here in the US such as Social Security get used in government 'welfare' programs; however, other taxes are what the government uses to fund their own fat wallets. My guess is that people in the UK won't get any more benefit after this tax comes in effect than was before.

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You're spot on, the rich get richer, it's just another way for them to fleece us

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I wish you could see how much tax I paid this month while my jobless neighbours sit on there arses in a house exactly the same as mine that the government pays for

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Tricky you sound bitter

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Wait, so people in the UK are as disgruntled about taxes as people in the US? But people in the US still hear from other people in the US how we should be more like the UK. They have better healthcare, etc. Partly because of the VAT.

We should throw some tea into some water over this tax thing.

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brendilon says:

Who is lining their "fat wallets" with tax money?

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fuzzylumpkin says:

Allegedly, in the UK we're seeing cuts and reforms left and right, won't be long till everything's privatised and we're just like the US, but with much higher tax rates.

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paulw3 says:

You mean like health care and housing for the 3rd world immigrants who arrive in the UK?

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Ziptied says:

I'm just going to put this out there to our UK friends.... The entire American Revolution was fought over less than a 5% tax.... VAT is theft.

Too many people just happy to let it happen, we need an uprising!

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fuzzylumpkin says:

Well, to be more accurate it was about taxation without representation. It wasn't the tax so much as the fact the colonies had no voice in how it was spent and saw little if any benefit from it, Americans still pay VAT you just call it "sales tax".

Your point is still valid though.

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brendilon says:

His point isn't valid, his point is completely false. He sounds like one of those TEA Party morons that sits around holding a sign that says "No Taxation Without Representation". You HAVE representation dipshit!

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Rob Fisher says:

Are you sure you aren't naively assuming that democracy works exactly as advertised?

In any case, a better summary of the Tea Party position is that they want to reduce the size of the state. Is it moronic to want that? Are increases to the size of the state never moronic, and decreases always moronic? Or is there a maximum size? Do all sensible people agree on the same size?

big_Drew says:

Your comment made me recall this (I'm a registered voter in CT): http://www.theday.com/article/20130702/OP01/307029978/0/SPORT/Fixing-Con...

rovex says:

Downloads are subject to VAT now, its just that some companies are registered in Luxembourg, where VAT is lower, so we pay that rate. This doesnt mean the price will be 20% higher.

The standard rate is 15% in Luxembourg, rising to 17% in 2015 anyway, so you will only pay the extra 5% compared to what it is now, and 3% compared to what it will be.

Gator352 says:

Sorry bloody ol' chaps. I think it's bloody stupid.

brainimpact says:

We already pay 11p tax on a 69p download, if we paid 20% VAT out the 69p it would be 13.8p tax, so we are talking pennies increase to accomadate the new rate

Snapphane says:

At least the UK aren't as funny as us here in Sweden. Books and magazines have a lower tax then the standard 20% (or was it 25%), but e-books are seen as digital media and not a book. Thus they have the standard tax. E-books have also been known to be "out of stock", but that is a different story ;-)

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Lol out of stock, crazy world

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eyesparky says:

Same in the UK. Physical books are zero rated i.e. 0% VAT, ebooks are 20%, as digital media. Total nonsense that should be addressed.

kcerica says:

Don't the developers already pay taxes on their earnings at tax time in the UK?? With Google play's 30% fee and now 20% for taxes they only end up getting half of what we pay for their apps, if they pay taxes on the same apps at the end of the year how much could our independent developers really end up earning on their apps?

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brainimpact says:

You're Wrong, A developer will set their price and then the V.A.T gets added after, the V.A.T does not come out of the developers pocket, its an extra the buyer pays.
Example: the dev sets his price at £1, then 20p gets added at point of sale, so the customer pays £1.20

fuzzylumpkin says:

Yes, VAT stands for value ADDED tax.

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brendilon says:

Shhh... Don't talk sense, the idiots are building up a froth over taxes.

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Rob Fisher says:

Are they idiots because the increase is inconsequential? At what rate of taxation does it become non-idiotic to build up a froth?

Rob Fisher says:

Yes, and the developer will then pay 40p in income tax (or at least I would). So for the developer to make 60p, the customer has to pay 1.20.

Actually, you only pay 40p on earnings over £42,000 (ish depending on tax code). So you earn double the average wage AT LEAST. That is how a modern economy works. The rich pay more

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fuzzylumpkin says:

On a related note this will likely push up prices on services like steam and GOG, I wonder where things like Netflix and all access stand what with them being digital
services rather than digital goods...

May not seem like a huge deal, but it feels like we're being killed by inches.

Damn I hate that scumbag Osbourne! (Not cause of this, just in general.)

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splash112 says:

Tax tax tax... Ugh

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Taz89 says:

Well don't like the idea of apps getting more expensive to pay the gov, though maybe this will stop me from just buying apps because it's 99p. Have brought many apps because of its low price that I barely used.

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pilz says:

Also they aren't losing half of their post. You don't add the percentages its basic algebra. And that tax is outrageous...

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brendilon says:

I'd gladly pay it to get what the UK does for healthcare, schools, etc.

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rovex says:

Why is it outrageous? The tax will go from 17% up to 20% and you will be paying it to your own government, not a foreign one.

umaxsto says:

The US should really have an online sales tax. But to make it simple for the developers, have it set by and paid to the federal government who will then dole it out to the states along the same proportions used to dole out seats in the House.

jubeldum says:

I pay enough taxes already. I don't need to pay for something bought from a company that doesn't have a physical presence in my state.

After income taxes I get raped with property taxes to pay for crap the schools don't need. Sports stuff for the jocks, new fields, bleachers ect. When they should be spending it on education.

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rovex says:

The reality is that most apps wont change in price at all. Companies like to maintain certain price points, so when tax rises slightly they usually absorb the cost. Either Google. or the dev will absorb this cost.

ruhban says:

This is a great way to encourage us to buy content rather than illegally download it. Bloody stupid idea.

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I swear vat tax was 17.5 % now its going up to 20 % wtf

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DaveJFT says:

It's not THAT bad news for music downloads. As I understand it, only ebooks benefit from the 3% VAT rate at present. Music downloads are subject to Luxembourg's full 15% VAT rate which means that our music SHOULD only rise by a maximum of 4.2% over what we currently pay. Don't forget that VAT is charged on the pre-tax price so it's not a full 5% increase on the 99p price gross of VAT. This would mean that a song previously sold for 99p should only rise to 103.3p. As we already ARBITRARILY pay the same figure in GBP as the US do in USD or Europe do in EUR then this should be a small increase that the music retailers could readily absorb.

DaveJFT says:

Oh yes... Where has this 3% VAT rate come from on ebooks anyway? Yes it used to be the case that ebooks were subject to only 3% VAT but in 2012 the EU mandated that Luxembourg (and other countries) charge the EU minimum rate of 15% so closing Amazon's VAT profiteering loophole. So the same applies to ebooks as I wrote above for music downloads.