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A new report says that T-Mobile will soon begin to throttle data speeds for customers who are signed up on its unlimited LTE plans if they see that the data is being used to access peer-to-peer file sharing networks, enforcing their customer terms & conditions.

Tmonews states they received an internal email sent to T-Mobile staff members which states:

"T-mobile has identified customers who are heavy data users and are engaged in peer-to-peer file sharing, and tethering outside of T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions (T&C). This results in a negative data network experience for T-Mobile customers. Beginning August 17, T-Mobile will begin to address customers who are conducting activities outside of T-Mobile's T&Cs"

The story points out that the only customers that will be affected by the new policy will be those that are signed up for T-Mobile's old $70 unlimited plan or the current $80 Simple Choice plan. Those customers who are found to be accessing those P2P networks will be given a warning by T-Mobile, but if that kind of activity persists, the wireless provider will slow down their data speeds.

What do you think of T-Mobile's plan to throttle some of its heavy data users?

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T-Mobile will throttle data on unlimited LTE users if data is used for P2P sharing

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It's been very plain and simple since June 2012 nothing beats Tmobile period they rule the carrier game today.

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Is this going to be another Sprint vs. T-Mobile vs. Verizon vs. AT&T flame war? Let me get my popcorn and sit back...

So no more Popcorn Time app?

All my Sprint phones laugh at the rest of my family's Tmo WiFi Addiction.

What is a throttled connection anyway?

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It's funny that Richards comments are so retarded that everybody on here just accepts it as a joke.

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As I never use P2P, can't comment to that. However if the terms and conditions do prohibit P2P usage than they are within every right to do so. Now I just need to read the Terms and Conditions again to make sure there is nothing else hidden in the legalese

Technically, aren't all phones Person 2 Person?

What's next, Google Drive, Tumblr, Intagram, Box, Dropbox, and so on? Nothing will be shared among anyone through the cloud? People share videos between each other all the time and download them, or is this just another witch hunt for Unlimited Users.

How do they know it's P2P, and not a person with Unlimited paying for tether to use his PC and stream all his media instead of paying for cable and internet at home? Most people under 30 stream everything and don't even have cable or satellite now a days, and the market is moving away from that medium.

I'm people under 30, I don't stream the P2P way. P2P is Peer to Peer, which is slightly different than Person to Person. Person to Person is two people communicating. Peer to Peer is two programs sharing with each other, usually started by a person, but still.

It's *very* easy to detect most types of P2P filesharing. If one person is making 50 different connections to 50 different people in 50 different locations, likely Bittorrent. I'm sure there are other ways for different networks too. Streaming from Netflix is easy to detect, as TMobile know's the IP's for Netflix's servers, as well as others. This is a simplified explanation, but it's easy to detect streaming from illegal places.

I honestly don't get the point in using cellular internet instead of home, unless cost is *that* big of a deal. Your person is paying an extra $20 or maybe $30 on TMobile for Tethering. Home internet can be gotten for that same price usually.

P2P, Bittorrent and alike, have a huge impact on others on the tower. I've said similar to another person here before. I'm streaming Netflix at 20 megs per second (I know it doesn't go that fast, but just for easier math), and another person is using Bittorrent or similar, and getting a total of 20 megs as well. My Netflix is 1 truck that is 20 car lengths. The other person's Bittorrent is 20 cars at 1 car length. Bittorrent's 20 cars, if incorrectly setup, can slow my Netflix truck. Cellular has less of a backbone than home internet, so it isn't as big a deal on home internet.

Precisely what's happening here. This is already in T-Mobile's T&C agreement that they're all agreeing to. You can hate on the T&C, but you can't hate on T-Mo for enforcing it.

Read flyer00 comments below net neutrality has only to do with a provider not giving priority to one service over another or not blocking a site or service. They are not doing that here they are saying use P2P but per the terms you agreed too don't abuse the network.

It would violate net neutrality if they blocked or slowed a p2p network than asked said network to pay to be unblocked.

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Flyer00 is half right. Net neutrality is the principle that ISPs shouldn't discriminate or charge differently based on user, content, or modes of communication; that is, all data should be treated equally.

It needn't be giving priority to one service; it can be the precise opposite.

And this violates that principle. Tmo does the inverse with select music services by not counting their usage towards data cap.

I like Tmo, but I think they're in the wrong in both cases.

You are right that T-Mobile violates net neutrality but wrong to think that's a problem.

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I would have to agree with you on this.
If T-mo wants to penalize high bandwidth users, that is one thing. However, penalizing users based on the type of activity they are doing is a slippery slope that leads us away from net neutrality.

-Suntan

Of course people will agree since this is T-Mobile and they can do no wrong, but if this was another carrier everyone would be all over them for net neutrality.

Agree! They are not favoring a P2P app or throttling it because they are not giving them money. Tmo is just not allowing it because their bandwidths need to cover Data, Txt, and Phone calls.

No I would be fine with anyone doing the same thing. It is wireless internet afterall, it's not landline broadband which is less prone to congestion.

I gobble down 40gb minimum per month on Sprint, some of that in areas T-Mobile has no signal at all. My wife uses even more. They are unlimited

out of curiosity how the hell do you use so much bandwidth? i don't think i've ever crossed 3gb. Then again i don't watch netflix on my phone, but i do listen to pandora every single day even before it was not part of the free data.

I use tumblr a lot & download quite a few movies, the wife spends a LOT of time on YouTube & Netflix . Keep in mind we pretty much live on the road so 100% of our usage comes from our phones. We aren't just using it to & from work like a lot of people & connecting to wifi when we get home. I was using 10-15 gb a month on the old style Blackberrys & we know those weren't exactly entertainment friendly. I also use Google maps a lot

They are breaking the terms and conditions, I would support any carrier doing it.
People who abuse unlimited data and use it as a home internet connection are the reason that unlimited data becomes unmanageable.
P2P and using your phone as your primary home internet connection should be throttled on any carrier.

T-mobile cellular LTE is more reliable than Comcast. Use my data to teather and play xbox so i'm not constantly getting disconnected. Surprisingly, xbox doesn't use much data. I have 1GB for data and i'm just going over 1GB a month.

I'm a big fan of the "new" Tmobile and not any sort of fan of Comcast, but you must be kidding if you think Comcast's internet isn't reliable. I've never once had it go out or had a issue one way or another. I only complain about them jacking up my bill lol.

My Comcast has been surprisingly reliable as of late. Below are my up-time reports from my network probe.
Last Week 6d 23h 58m 99.99%
Last Month 29d 22h 5m 99.73%

Probably depends on where you live. I switched to Comcast Xfinity for phone service after we had a landline and it took a week to get the landline back but my internet was working within 3.5 days. It took 2.5 days to get the power restored. I kept a landline partly because I thought it would be more reliable and be restored faster in emergency situations. Ironically I've had at least 2 comcast outages that last several hours in the last 6 months since I switched..

You don't make any sense. It's still unlimited. It's just the speed that slows down.

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Yes, unlimited means unlimited. However, if one is say, tethering their mobile device to a seedbox and pushing 500GBs per month over their cellular line, I think they need to adjust their expectations about the type of service they're subscribing to. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the morailty of it, or the ability of the mobile network to support it, it's a T&C issue as many have already pointed out here, and so TM have every legal right to just cut off these peoples service overnight if it wanted to.

Also, I think geoff is totally right, consumers are mostly going to keep their mouths shut about this because they have good feelings about tmobile and its consumer-based approach over the past couple years. And do notice I said mostly. :)

Perhaps the biggest issue is in the fact that the carriers want their cake and to eat it too.

They all want to shout from the billboards that they will give you "UNLIMITED HIGH SPEED INTERNET" then the dark back alley they murmur that if you actually use it, you will be punished with severe speed reductions.

If T-Mo wants to throttle users that go beyond 30GB per month (pulling number out of sky) then they should have to advertise that their unlimited will be throttled after 30GBs per month.

-Suntan

Doesn't anyone learn, when you force a company to set a throttling limit or data cap your not going to get 30 - 50 GB, you'll get much less than they currently let you use like 10GB. This doesn't help anyone , the abusers who want to use their cell phone as a home internet connection don't and even normal power users get limited thanks to these calls to set a limit.
In willing to bet money that most of the people torrenting are also illegally tethering and using the data as a home internet replacement.
Their is a limited amount of spectrum available and unlimited data only works when people use it reasonably as a mobile connection and not home internet. I say clamp down on illegal tethering and the minority of users torrenting and using their cell phones as home internet.
These are the users that killed unlimited on verizon and at&t , given time and people constantly defending these users they will kill it on T-Mobile and sprint eventually as well.

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I agree, these types of people are completely selfish. These people are probably the ones that used to argue it's their right because they have a plan that says unlimited data. But now are up in arms because their T&C says they cant use P2P.

Nope, this is not a net neutrality issue. They are not slowing your speed to certain companies or individuals, they are slowing a service (not owned by anyone) that uses an unusually high amount of data and can hurt network performance. Net neutrality doesn't mean you are free to abuse a provider's network. It means the provider can't prioritize the same type of traffic. If they allowed access certain P2P networks at full speeds while slowed down other P2P networks, then it would be more of a net neutrality issue.

So what if they say they are going to throttle video streaming next, "because it uses an unusually high amount of data?"

Would that not be seen as a hit on Netflix/Hulu/etc.?

-Suntan

Very true, but I guarantee if your data slowed down because some person was torrenting 8 gig movies all day you would think otherwise.

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We need a net neutrality bill of rights. A person's right to net neutrality should not impinge (sp?) upon someone's right to make money off their content.

I'm an extremely happy Verizon customer who fled T-Mobile due to poor data speeds outside of metropolitan areas because I don't live in a top-200 metro market. I think T-Mo is well within their rights.

Agreed! Those are the only "abusers" of the unlimited.data, watching you tube, music and photos shouldn't be throttled

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What exactly is an abuser? I use roughly 35gb a month and maybe 5gb is towards Utorrent. Really don't tether much anymore. Lots of HBO Go and showtime

5gb is about the normal usage for a power user. You're using that amount for uTorrent. You're an abuser.

If someone is paying for unlimited data, using a large amount isn't abuse. This doesn't even sound like it's about the amount of data. They're only throttling users of p2p services. That's a violation of net neutrality and sounds like pressure from media companies.

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Then leave. It's in their terms. Don't like it then don't use them. Net neutrality is great but there have to be some rules for abusers or everyone else suffers.

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Or take back the limited spectrum we loan to them for not allowing at bytes to fairly access it.

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Then don't call it unlimited. It's not unlimited if there are a crap ton of restrictions. Sick of this crap.

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You're not very smart are you? Unlimited data cap as in the amount of data you use does not cap out after some point. Not speed.

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I think you knew what he meant. If you didn't, let me explain. He meant "Unlimited" as a whole. He's saying that if someone is paying unlimited then there shouldn't be restrictions on speed and data.
I mean, it makes sense since some people actually replace their home internet with T-Mobile's in order to save money. That's why these people wouldn't even mind paying $100 if it gets to that point wince internet providers tend to charge $50 or more for decent speeds.

You should do a little research. It's not capping your data from use. It's slowing your data. If you have unlimited you still get unlimited. It's the speed that they throttle.

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Verizon could have releases this exact same statement, and this would have turned into flaming cesspool by now. Watch it internet, your hypocrisy is showing....

I have Unlimited on Verizon right now and I wouldn't have any problem with them throttling people who use there phone/data as their home internet connection. But Verizon just throttling any unlimited over 4.7 GB on "congested" towers is what pisses me off. I stream music everyday at work for about 5 hours. Pandora, Slacker, Tune Radio, ect....
Plus on days when one or more systems are down I watch Netflix, or if I get ahead of my work. I'm not abusing, I;m using it for what I had originally signed up for.

Verizon has released the exact same statement - better yet, you probably could never do this with them anyway. Verizon releases statements like "We are taking away your unlimited data and replacing it with 2GB a month for twice the price. Be happy we let you use our service!"

EXACTLY!!! I guarantee if this was Verizon there would be at least 200 posts by now talking about how evil they are and how this is a money grab and complaining about the logo and people threatening to leave them. But T-Mobile is the AC darling and they're not Evil Verizon so they can pretty much do what they want and be ok here.

We need to get someone working on a Samsung all metal phone with no removable battery or SD card slot made exclusively for Verizon.

The vortex of hate would be unmeasurable....

forgot to mention that it was going to have 3 physical buttons at the bottom and 3/4" bezels all the way around

:-)

And just to be POSITIVE everyone is pissed, a 40,000 MaH battery, while the phone is no thicker than 9mm

Actually my phone is my torrent server. I don't have a laptop and dont need it cause my phone has replaced everything. Its my payments. My camera. My news. Calls. My car key everything. Do you understand?

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Yes, we understand you are EXACTLY the type of user ALL of the celluar companies are going after. We don't need your excuses. We all have heard them. You've been saving money for as long as you were able to by using your cell data for everything. Time to stop being a cheap arse and get a proper home internet. Or perhaps they'll offer a $200 a month truly unlimited plan for you guys and gals to pull your weight.

Who are you? Are you the cellular companies spokesperson? Do you think i am cheating you by using more data than you? Do you understand theyre all limiting everyone just to make more money? Its over priced and under serviced. You arent getting what you pay for with any cellular company. They have billions to satisfy shareholders. You arent saving anyone by limiting my usage. Do you understand any of this?

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some pple live in an area where the only high speed internet available is Verizon and they charge 120 bucks for 20gb through home internet package..it's a rip off

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Do you have a desktop computer? Do you have home internet?

Use your home computer for torrents. Use your phone for the camera, news, calls, banking apps, car key, etc.

I dont have a home. I travel and move. My phone is everything including torrents. Just because you're lifestyle permits you to use desktop at home doesn't mean anyone else has to be restricted. There are torrents and they are used on phones. Its real it exists. Btw all cellular companies should build out more towers and give people better services. Its over priced limited and you are kissing tmo ass cause you think theyre the good guy. Theyre all same thing. Stop kissing ass. My Internet usage will not break or make anyone.

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As long as it's tied to those people who abuse it with P2P, then fine. I'm no abuser by any means - I just don't like tiered data plans on principle, so as long as they don't hamper my unlimited video streaming and Skype/FaceTime, you go ahead and throttle them, T-Mobile.

There are legitimate uses for P2P though. Why is this any different from streaming Netflix?

Seems to me that T-Mobile is starting its regression very slowly. There was something on here the other day that I dismissed as "meh" now there is this....I hope T-Mobile does not go backwards and undo all they have accomplished.

The problem is a large majority of torrenting is for illegal files, which brings copyright infringement, legal fees, network congestion, etc.

There are legitimate uses but overwhelmingly illegal use for the majority.

You can of course use a VPN which is what most people downloading questionable content would use anyways.

So guilty until....nothing. You have no choice.

This is no different at all from Netflix except the URL that it is going to

As said above, there are legitimate uses for P2P, for those people it really isn't different than Netflix. But for the others, its different because Netflix is legal...and that's kinda important.

P2P is legal as well, so are torrents.

It depends on what the torrent is carrying that makes it an offense.

T-Mobile isn't doing this because people use P2P for illegal files. They couldn't care less about that. This is about network utilization and capacity, period.

Just because there are legitimate uses for torrents doesn't mean that T-Mobile can't write terms & conditions that restrict its usage.

Streaming and downloading copyrighted stuff are two different animals, though I'm sure you will manage to wiggle out of your original comment faster than your "sprint will buy T-Mobile this year, guaranteed" comment.

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we are talking about its base form here, streaming data from one computer to another, or even many to many. I am not getting into what is copyrighted or not (torrenting copyrighted material is bad M'Kay?) but doing the same with legal material is not.

Maybe sites, like the pirate bay, make deals to torrent independent filmmakers materials, completely legally.

T-Mo is saying yeah it is legal but we are not going to let you do it...

I agree with this.

Besides, torrent downloads aren't usually needed immediately, so they CAN stand to be throttled, unlike streaming from youtube, netflix, etc.

And it's not a "net neutrality" slippery slope. Torrent data is almost always classified lower as BULK in the QoS traffic shaping queue (even on my LAN). The only people I can think of who really rely on an unthrottled bittorrent protocol are the PopCorn Hour video streaming "pirates".

The only things I can think of is that Netflix doesn't upload data like torrents do and Netflix has a CDN instead of P2P.

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Doesn't P2P rely on many connections whereas streaming from netflix is only one single connection?

That it does. Each additional connection requires slightly more resources, but afaik, today's routers are so beefy that's not really an issue.

I would be curious to know how they are detecting this. If I were to use a VPN how would they know? Whether I use netflix/youtube or utorrent what difference would it make in the case of a VPN? It would all look the same. (disclaimer: I am no longer with tmobile. Just playing devil's advocate).

Soooooo, where does that leave the popcorn time app? Doesn't it use p2p torrent info? Will watching movie there, every now and then count?

Why not? They should be doing that.

>I'm the kind of guy who stops a microwave at one second to feel like a bomb defuser.

Its for torrents. I can use proxy to hide it. Also i have unlimited tether on tmobile. It's very easy to do if you do some research. Or be a sucker and pay for what should be included in the first place. Btw my phone is lg g2

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Haha, read the first few comments and they're positive... If Verizon was doing this - what would the comments be like? Either way, I'm not affected because I'm on a lower tier AND don't use p2p...

I'm all for this, I've seen post on XDA with people using their T-Mobile data as their home internet option. 3-4 hundred GB a month. The most I've used was maybe 25-30 GB in a month - a lot of HBO and Netflix.

When I was with vzw i had my phone hacked and used unlimited tether... If they found out and throttled me or otherwise punished me, it's my own fault and I deserved it... Granted I only used maybe 10 gbs a month like that, but if it was in the tos that i agreed to when I signed up, how can I get mad when they enforce it?

That didn't violate the terms of the spectrum purchase from the FCC? As far as I read, they were not allowed to throttle, restrict service, or block ANYTHING. I think they even got fined by the FCC for blocking tethering apps in the Google Play Store. The only phone that could get away with all of this was the Galaxy Nexus (which they screwed BIG TIME). They put a bad taste in people's mouths about that phone to protect their ability to rake in money. What other phone can you put another ROM onto that includes the wireless tether? Oh wait, that's right, Verizon DEMANDS that companies lock these phones tighter than fish tw@ts.

Maybe those guys on XDA have a fetish for watching HD videos of fat chicks eating cake and pie. I imagine that it could take a lot of megabytes of data for videos that size. :-D

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Lol man T-Mobile could announce today that you can only get phones at the off contact price with no discounts or monthly payments and everyone here would applaud them saying "Yes!! Finally no more contracts" "It's the only way I buy my phones anyway". I'm seeing it's not so much what you say it's more who says it. I really want to know how they're going to tell the difference on what you're streaming.

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Yeah, they already did that and it was a win for the consumer. On Verizon or ATT you are paying that $20-$30 per month for your phone for as long as you're on that contract with them. So you keep a phone for 4 years (some do) and you've paid $960 (assuming $20 per month) for it on top of the $200 up front . Tmobile straight up tells you the phone is zero down, zero percent financing until you pay the full price of the phone. After that, the cost of that phone drops off your bill like it should.

I'm saying they do away with the zero down and only let's you get new phones by paying full retail at once no breaking it into monthly payments.

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I am glad that T-Mobile is doing this instead of just doing throttling for the general population. I am REALLY glad they are targeting actual usrs who are abusing the unlimited data with P2P. I have seen so many people doing this, even at XDA developers website, where they "bragged" about using 50+ Gb data on their phone with tethering!

Sorry for my ignorance but what is P2P and example please. Currently I am using my hotspot for my kids to play while we are on the road. Thank you all

It is person to person downloading of materials, generally illegal movies, games, TV shows using something called torrents.

Your Hotspot is not at all what we are talking about.

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The same premise that some of you are using to come to the conclusion that one way of using the network is worse than using it in another way. Is the same jaded premise the providers are using.

Paying for unlimited data means just that, you are exchanging your money for unlimited data. The expectation is that you the end user consume legitimate data from legitimate sources, that's understandable. What i don't get is how some of you are saying one user and their heavy consumption habits is better than other heavy users consumption habit. Example: A user replaces their home internet with T-Mobile unlimited and use 25GB of data a month vs a user that has unlimited data and still uses 25GB a month streaming .

I think the real issue is providers didn't think customers would extend the way they consume mobile data to take full advantage of "unlimited data". They (providers) though they would end up pricing data at a point that was profitable and that users would not consume as much thus over paying for their data bucket.

If your using p2p networks then I see no problem with them throttling those people.

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I had tmobile last year b4 the uncarrier thing happened, I was still on contract and paid 70$ . Never did p2p or hotspot but I still used 20-30gb a month and never got throttled. I don't pay for cable so I used my phone as my only source of media. Videos , YouTube, movies, music , even playing online games like modern combat 4. Only reason I left tmobile was because I wanted a new phone and since I would technically stuck in a 2year plan I couldn't get one with out laying full price . Switched to Sprint they paid my ETF and I got an HTC one (m7) which btw is still bad ass lol and I'm in Phoenix where Sprint does have LTE and I use the same amount of data about 20gb and also not being throttled even rooted a while ago and did hotspot tethering to my smart tv and Xbox and never got throttled.

I like how provider's are straddling that line of being both provider and regulator. Providers are trying to get the consumer to agree to them regulating usage as if it is okay.

That would be the same as car manufacturers regulating the speed you drive at by putting a device on your car so that you cannot exceed the speed limit. Would you think that regulation was okay? Even though the intent was to keep the driver from breaking the law we probably would not accept that type of regulation. But for some reason people argue that type of regulation is okay within the telecom industry and the consumer should just accept it.

Ok. Not really but if you like congested slow internet because someone is downloading 4 gig movies every 30 minutes then be my guest.

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It is the service providers responsibilty to upgrade infrastructure, and they don’t like to do it because of the costs. Instead of doing so to bring the infrastructure up to date to modern standards like other international countries, they would rather limit or want us to limit our usage and want us to argue over a dated infrastructure. They would rather offer us a package that can't reasonably be expected to support the traffic sent through it if we all used our unlimited data. I think we can all define "unlimited". If the intent is to limit it then don't offer it under the premise of "unlimited". People pay for it. It is not given as a " gift".

That's exactly right. They dont want to upgrade infrastructure with the billions shareholders make but want to limit customers to bs limited data and crappy coverage and overpriced phones. And everyone on this forum is kissing tmo ass for giving " unlimited data" and how no one should be selfish and use more than 5 gigs a month and all kind of nonsense. I am paying for it. Its there to be used. If traffic is congested they have to upgrade. Thats how it works. The whole limited data is a scheme. We dont run out of data they just milk it. Thats all.

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But car company's already do that lol my Metra reads 160 mph but you will never hit that speed with out blowing out your engine. Ppl are blowing out tmobiles engine (metaphor) the more congested the network the slower the network. I'm an extreme data user but I use my data in media streaming and never over 20-30gb the ppl targeted here are sharing there data and prob using over 100gb.

But the point at which a car governor kicks in is far beyond a reasonable speed one should be driving safely amongst others I'm am uncontrolled environment. What telecoms are doing in my opinion is setting that threshold much lower, with much more discretion, and in a much more subjective manner. Again, I get the issue with P2P and how the way it is used causes disruption and breaks laws. I guess my point is that this discussion is used by telecoms as a premise for other use cases when they are in fact totally unrelated. I get there is a difference between stealing copyrighted product and acquiring it legally. The end game seems to be limiting data across the board without saying we have a limited data policy. My internet limits me to 200GB per month. With Netflix, Hulu, and other streaming options that's easy to hit.

I get how P2P can be disruptive. But the reasoning providers use to want to Axe some grandfathered plans is not do to P2P, it is that they see an opportunity to further capitalize on a dated infrastructure. There are plenty of people that don't know what P2P is nor how to use it but consume large amounts of data, whether it be transmission of business files remotely or for other legitimate reasons. This is part of the reason companies do what they do to use , the consumer, because we not only let them but we also fight the battle for them and present arguments on their behalf.

Yes but downloading/streaming data at 1Mbps and downloading via bittorrent with 100 connections at 1Mbps are totally different beasts.

People are crying net neutrality. While I agree we need net neutrality, I also feel that our 'right' to net neutrality should not impinge upon someone else's rights (in this case the right of the content producers to make money from their offerings).

1.heavy data users and
2.are engaged in peer-to-peer file sharing, and
3.tethering outside of T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions

You have to meet all 3 conditions.

Ok lets cut the B/S majority of the people using P2P aren't using torrents to download ROM's from XDA, their using it to pirate and if their trying to stop people from pirating then by all means go head of throttle.

So a little confused... Is p2p the same as using my phone as a Hotspot using a modification of my apn (something like foxfi) or using it only to download pirated stuff. Is it both? I agree though, you signed up you should follow the rules.

P2P refers to peer to peer some P2P services include the great Limewire,Frostwire,Bearshare and now torrents like utorrent,ttorret and anyother program which uses torrents. peer to peer is basicly a filesharing system to recieve bits of files from various users (called seeders), for example i want a song i would torrent the "song" from seeders the more seeders means the more people you downloading from. while the hacking of your tmo hotspot (like you said with FoxFi) is against the TOS it's not considered P2P because you are not transfering files from one person(s) to another.

I would assume in this case they are saying, if you use a service you are not paying for (hotspot) then you are technically breaking the terms of service. I would assume that you knew if you are not paying for a service but using a work around to use it that it would not sit well with the network provider.

I don't have any problem with them doing this but I don't think it's going to speed up their network noticeably. They have plenty of other problems they need to fix first as do all the other carriers.

I'm a big T-Mobile fan but this is disappointing to me. I guess you really can't complain if it's in the TOS but who really knows everything that's in there anyways? I don't really use p2p on my phone, but who is really to judge what we should use or home computers for? Should I be able to stream an entire Netflix movie or should that be fine on my home internet?

Also, a little if topic, but is it feasible for cellular companies to compete with home isps? I mean, everyone is fed up with the cable companies and I can get storer fast download speeds on LTE.. Is it just a bandwidth problem or legal problems?

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If they would spend the money to upgrade their infrastructure then they could compete. The issue seems to be no one seems to be doing such so the industry doesn't experience major disruption and business models have to be so revamped that it opens up the door to allow smaller companies to successfully compete. T-Mobile seems to be chipping away at that but not in a major disruptive way. As much as people speak negatively about Google fiber, it is exactly what needs to happen for them old guardsmen to change their way of doing business.

I don't like that a company says what you can and can't do but if you don't like it move to a different carrier

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You can interpret that into " we can't make money off you and keep the upper hand " so be gone. Kind of like when you pay your credit card balance in full to avoid interest. They make no money thus you are not the ideal customer and they wish you would go elsewhere.

In Japan AFAIK, they don't restrict data usage unless you're using a stolen phone or an unpaid phone...at least in au by KDDI. However, their content distribution system is very rich and highly competitive (and heavily-controlled), costs $3.50/mo for unlimited video streaming whether you use d video or KDDI Video Pass, they have 1seg so broadcast TV is always accessible (same in South Korea) - take note cable TV isn't fully developed in both South Korea and Japan, and they prefer local content more.

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So no, they don't really use torrents in their mobile phones as they don't have use for it.

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This had to be implemented really. People only abuse it and slow other LTE users down that share the same mast. They should use their home WiFi for torrents.

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That's like saying " we are charging you for access to unlimited data, but don't use too much. If you need to use a lot then use someone else's network" i.e. your internet provider.

At this moment in time, no. P2P is obviously their biggest factor at this time and I know how data-intensive those applications can be as a previous user. But I reserve the right to change my opinion upon the arrival of new information.

Whether or not you're paying for something doesn't mean those people shouldn't read a contract they're signing as it mentions the unlimited data is not to be abused by negatively impacting the network infrastructure (not a direct quote), as that activity does.

I don't think you understood my question since you are referencing P2P. If you are paying for a service and product - "unlimited data" what constitutes "abuse"? A subjective number set forth by the service provider? What is negatively impacting the network? Are you saying that a user that happens to stream Netflix or is downloading from a legitimate source 24/7 is negatively impacting the network. If so then unlimited data packages being sold by telecoms is just an illusion or a bait and switch? And that is acceptable how?

Doesnt the same argument apply to netflix or any streaming video? Look these guys will try ti maximize their profits in any way they can. They will always cry that the network isnt good enough!

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The difference between america and japan is that they have created a cutthroat market in broadband services whereas in america our choices are relatively if not absolutely limited. *That* is the fundamental problem. If we had a great number of competing broadband services, they wouldnt be throttling us. Therefore, we can see that they are only doing this to us because they think that they can get away with it because we have no other better options.

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Japan's cutthroat competition in broadband services stems from the fact that the government mandates the incumbent provider NTT West/East to share its ADSL and FTTH infrastructure to KDDI and Softbank. There's little differentiation but to compete with cable internet providers (where KDDI is also a major player). It's also the government’s mandate to provide over 100Mbps wireline by 2015.

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We shouldnt be cheering for tmobile because they are throttling us. We should be screaming bloody murder that we have the slowest broadband network in the industrialized world! Why should we let them use artificial scarcity as an excuse to police us and raise prices?

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There are ways to root most of the phones out there. You can also have unlimited hotspot without cutting you off. You can also bypass p2p restrictions if you just do some research. Tmo should really focus on putting up more towers so i can get a decent signal. Why is it that unlimited is never really unlimited. It can be. Learn to root phones and modify everything and you will have truly unlimited. How about them towers. Btw if T-Mobile had decent coverage they wouldn't offer unlimited data. Its a trade off.
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So to make sure I understand, T mobile is going to slow my data speeds if I am using peer 2 peer file sharing (torrents) right? or is peer 2 peer something else?

This is the problem. Say two people have Unlimited High Speed Internet. Person A uses 39gb by streaming Netflix, Baseball games, etc. Person B uses 10gb but downloads 2gb of torrents, etc. Person B is the one getting their internet speed slowed down?

That's the problem. That's also a Net Neutrality problem; just like Tmobile allowing "certain" streaming music services to not count against your cap or plan is a Net Neutrality problem.

For all of you expecting Verizon or AT&T to be the first to tip the Net Neutrality bucket.............SURPRISE!

The mast majority don't use torrents or even know what they are. Tmo should be throttling the tether abuser who use 3-4 hundred gbs as home internet, that I can understand. I have unlimited I use p2p sometimes on my phone (note3) but I don't share anything just download. I'm usually under 5gb a month don't tether at all. I'm old school with all of my heavy data usage on my trusty pc.

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The statement mentions not just P2P, but also "tethering." Can they identify that easily?

Gives me one more reason to consider staying with Sprint, where unlimited still means unlimited.

So let's make it clear here, if I use 50GB a month by just watching stuff on my phone ONLY like YouTube, TV Portal, Showbox etc is that considered P2P and I will get throttled or since its all on my phone and its like Netflix and Hulu I won't be throttled?

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Tethering is a right of all mobile phone users. Carriers do not have any right to interfere with a customer's desire to tether.

I'd even go as far to say, if I can do it on my phone, I should be allowed to do it without repercussion from any carrier.

What exactly is a vpn I hear people take about them in relation to this and WiFi hot spot. But I don't even know what that is.

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I really do like T-Mobile, they are a great company, but Big Red is still better for coverage and reliability.
Customer Service, Pricing and Selection phones along with Top Notch pricing is a win for T-Mobile.

Hopefully by next year, things will change. Go T-Mobile.