Google issues statement, Samsung releases memo on $1 billion U.S. patent verdict

Yeah, we're all way past done with the Apple vs Samsung vs Apple $1 billion patent verdict, but when Google releases an official statement, and Samsung posts an internal memo, well, we can't exactly ignore 'em.

Here's what Samsung has posted:

We initially proposed to negotiate with Apple instead of going to court, as they had been one of our most important customers. However, Apple pressed on with a lawsuit, and we have had little choice but to counter-sue, so that we can protect our company.

Certainly, we are very disappointed by the verdict at the US District Court for the Northern District of California (NDCA), and it is regrettable that the verdict has caused concern amongst our employees, as well as our loyal customers.

However, the judge’s final ruling remains, along with a number of other procedures. We will continue to do our utmost until our arguments have been accepted.

The NDCA verdict starkly contrasts decisions made by courts in a number of other countries, such as the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany, and Korea, which have previously ruled that we did not copy Apple’s designs. These courts also recognized our arguments concerning our standards patents.

History has shown there has yet to be a company that has won the hearts and minds of consumers and achieved continuous growth, when its primary means to competition has been the outright abuse of patent law, not the pursuit of innovation.

We trust that the consumers and the market will side with those who prioritize innovation over litigation, and we will prove this beyond doubt.

And here's what Google had to say:

The court of appeals will review both infringement and the validity of the patent claims. Most of these don't relate to the core Android operating system, and several are being re-examined by the US Patent Office. The mobile industry is moving fast and all players — including newcomers — are building upon ideas that have been around for decades. We work with our partners to give consumers innovative and affordable products, and we don't want anything to limit that.

No big surprises, and nothing we didn't expect them to say. No doubt Samsung is saving the rest of their talking for when court reconvenes, when yet more motions get filed, when the verdict gets argued, and when the battle over final damages begins.

If you haven't already, check out our patent podcast from the weekend, and in the meantime you'll forgive us if we get back to writing about phones and tablets for a while...

Source: Samsung Today, The Verge

 

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Google issues statement, Samsung releases internal memo on $1 billion U.S. patent verdict

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I wouldn't say Google's statement really shows much support for Samsung. Sounds like they kinda knew it was coming and didn't really disagree with it themselves. Fairly easy to see though that in the iPhone 3G/3GS days Samsung was really making zero attempts to try to make their products really different. They basically made phones "inspired" by Apple's products to establish a base to then try to branch out from.

If design patents existed in the past, the second car couldn't have a steering wheel or pedals, and would be required to have a different number of tires. Besides which, it's ridiculous for anyone to get their panties in a twist about copying apple, the company that proudly states it steals other's ideas. All of which is moot, because if you're relying on courts to tell if Samsung did infringe, the majority of them have said they did not.

Funny you should mention that. There was a patent war fought over the early automobile. The antagonist was some douche who held a bunch of overly-vague patents, and the defendant was none other than Ford motor co. Guess who won?

If you are curious to know more, look up Ford V Selden.

Thanks for that, it was an interesting case. Interesting how other manufacturers fought in court and lost. Ford lost too but won on appeal.

However, a big difference is that Selden never actually manufactured anything. So in that respect Apple is not nearly as bad, at least they are trying to protect real products they produce.

My thoughts are that although Samsung is probably mostly in the right regarding the particulars of this case, they still probably deserved this as they have been blatent copiers in a lot of their products for a long time. Apple also deserves a smack down, hopefully the notification center will provide that.

Well said Samsung, well said.

Not to change the subject or anything but anyone else excited college football starts this weekend?

OK lets stay on topic then.

The NCAA: happily making the patent system the second most laughed at institution that is more than a century old...

Since Samsung apparently supply a lot of apples components I think it's time for a price increase.

Apple is not only there clientsand Apple can always change component manufacture, Samsung is not only company that make flash and CPU dies

Ironically, Samsung can't actually do much here unless it can show that the cost is absolutely necessary.

Remember, Android leads the smartphone market in share, and Samsung is its dominant supplier. Any attempts to 'punish' Apple out of spite would rightly be construed as anti-competitive and likely slapped down by antitrust regulators.

meh, erthing would of been ok Sammy if you would of stayed in your lane instead of trying to be like Iphone. Even the S3 has that one button in the middle at the bottom just like the iphone. I know what Samsung did, they found out what consumers thought was cool and made a phone based off that, only problem is it's the iphone. So they thought making a phone that does things the iphone does would carry them up pass Apple. Yeah they had their big hype 2 months ago during launch time but now it's time to pay up because this device is pretty much like iphone with LTE

If you consider the fact that Apple was only awarded $1 billion, that's a small price to pay for becoming the NO. 1 Android OEM. Not to mention the only phones that could possibly be banned are already out of production. The next Galaxy phone will probably look nothing like the Galaxy S3, let alone the iPhone. And it will be just as successful, if not more.

My S3 home button don't look remotely close to the rounded iPhone button. Are you implying that any phone with a home button is copied from the iPhone??

That's what I was getting from the comment as well. A very "Apple" way of thinking if you ask me. The S3 inside and out does not resemble the iphone in the slightest, I don't get how he is making these assumptions.

That's how the patent was awarded. The drawing on the patent shows a round button but it's marked as a dashed line which is a non-characteristic feature (meaning the button doesnt have to be round). The patent is disgustingly vague, basically any phone that had any roundness to the corners, a screen taking up the majority of one side, and a button on the same side as the screen that might/might not do something (but it doesnt even have to be a physical button), is in violation. If this decision stands, expect Apple to go after pretty much every other Android handset maker for similar sums.

"Even the S3 has that one button in the middle at the bottom just like the iphone."

You do know a button in the middle is not an Apple invention. Right? Even so, Samsung uses a larger, rectangular, at the time matte finished, button. Apple's is smaller, round, and glossy. If you seriously can't tell the button are different, then the giant "SAMSUNG" tattooed on every Samsung phone should be a dead giveaway that you're not buying an Apple iPhone.

And if after those obvious differences you still can't tell the difference, then I would have to question if you should be using a telephone in the first place. Maybe start with this...
http://www.toysandco.com/media/products/B/BF1694L.jpg

If only you were on the jury... Maybe that argument would mean anything at all. Sadly the state of patent law does not line up with your presumption of "obvious differences".

News just in... Apple will now seek a ban and damages on all previous toy phones as they have obviously copied the iPhone 5 design above by using time travel...

I agree. Google has shown very little support for their hardware partners when it comes to these patent troll litigations. Saying "OMG, PATENTS SUCK!" is not enough. When HTC forks Android into a Sense OS with their own app store and Samsung does the same, pulling a Kindle-esque move cutting Google out of their revenue, Google will have no one to blame but themselves for the not having their partners' backs as they get trolled by frivolous lawsuits from Apple and Microsoft.

Let's hope Samsung can get through this so that we don't have to suffer from a lack of innovation and good products. Poor Apple, they've had to resort to what Microsoft did for years when they had an inferior product (Windows), its a shame that they've run out of ideas.

Google is in a good spot to use feature patents against Apple (since they have a good sized arsenal) so they are a lot less vulnerable at that level. The design patents that Apple held over Samsung's head were really unanswerable. Apple basically took that (the clear violation of one design patent) and smeared it with the feature patents to paint Samsung as a blatant infringer, which played a lot better to the jury. If the design patents werent an issue, this case would have gone a lot differently (even though the jury was "supposed" to treat each patent independently).

Google has ammunition to protect core Android, but what about manufacturers who implement core Android? Apple is not going after Google. They are going after manufacturers. Is Google going to step up and defend manufacturers when attacked? It's good Google has begun to take on Apple, but will that protect manufacturers?

There are a lot of problems with the verdict. One of the Juries instruction was not to punish, but award money based on what Apple would have made...and yet a juryman said they wanted to punish Samsung but not be too harsh...

Samsung has a lot of room to appeal this ruling among other options and I don't think this ruling will stand.

What's with the picture of the S3 and iPhone? Makes it look like the S3 was part of the lawsuit, which is not the case. I think things like this only help to confuse the un-informed public... they think ALL Samsung designs are affected by this ruling, but as far as I can tell, things like the S3, Note, etc are not.

I am just curious but I wonder what type of phones the people of the jury carry around. Or the judge? A BlackBerry?

I`m confused now! In this picture I can`t tell which is the IPHONE and which is the Samsung? Please let one of the juror help me or the judge....

I use both an S4 and a GS3 for work lol I honestly love android but apple is also okay for what the iphone is.I think all these retarded lawsuits have to stop and just make something better so I can have nicer devices.These two companies are throwing out money on patents to stuff that in a few years, might not matter at all since software is moving ahead so fast these days.

I think a giant has just been awoken in a new way. Dynamics of relationships and positioning will change and this "Thermo-War" will eventually shift competitior relationships and positioning of each other.

I love my Samsung Galaxy SIII and am awaiting for the Galaxy Note 10.1 to reach this part of the world.