Is any phone actually worth $1000?
Welcome to 2017, when the best phones from almost every company that makes high-end smartphones will cost just shy of $1,000. And plenty of people are buying them.
I'm not wondering why people are buying them. If you want to play, you have to pay and it's not like you're going to be able to call up Samsung or Google and make a deal. The phones themselves are better than ever, the parts inside of them are better than ever and even the way you can buy them — 0% interest for 24 months, anyone? — is better than ever.
Enthusiasts, as well as people who need the features that come with a top-of-the-line phone, have to pay the sticker price. I get that. Heck, I'm one of the people buying them, just like many people reading this are. If we want the flagship model with the most memory and biggest display, we're paying for it.
I just can't shake the feeling that paying $1,000 for a phone is crazy. Even while I'm doing it and can honestly recommend you do it, too.
Let me stop for one second and call out LG. We don't know when an unlocked V30 will be sold in the U.S. but we do know places like B&H already have a listing for it (opens in new tab). We also don't know the price, but most people are assuming it will be in the vicinity of $750 or so. We do know what U.S. carriers are going to charge (right around $850) and LG usually sells an unlocked model just a bit cheaper than a carrier does. $750 is a lot of money, too, but it happens to be about 75% of the price everyone else making a superphone at the end of 2017 is charging. And it's just as feature-packed and awesome as any of the others.
Where to buy the LG V30
And yes, there's an LG V30+ that's just the LG V30 with an extra 64 GB of storage. (Why, LG? Just stop.) Of course, you can only buy it through Sprint ($900) and U.S. Cellular ($800) because LG just does things like this. If you count those, and I don't because even LG knows that hardly anyone will be able to use them and nobody is switching to Sprint for 64GB of storage, then LG is creeping up on the $1,000 mark, too.
I'm not saying any company is trying to play a bit of the price gouging game. I sincerely don't believe that and don't want to believe that. But I know that I can buy a 2000 Honda Accord V6, with a warranty, for the same price as a new Note 8. I'm pretty sure the Honda uses even more premium metal and glass and a whole lot of Gigabytes would fit in the trunk. All that's missing is an S Pen.
While comparing a Note 8 (or any of these phones) to a 17-year-old Honda is silly, you can make the same comparison with a laptop. While you can spend $2,800 on a Surface Pro or $4,200 (WTF?) on a MacBook Pro, you can also buy a really nice Dell XPS13 (opens in new tab) for about $850. It can do everything your new Note or Pixel or iPhone can do, has an even bigger QHD+ display and is made of "premium" materials to be thin, light, and beautiful. Even the new Pixelbook, which everyone says is outrageously priced, is nicely spec'd at $1,000.
Anyway, let me circle back around to the beginning. I know why we pay so much: we have no choice. I know why we want to pay so much: these phones are really cool and we want or need the best. I just don't know what makes them worth the prices being charged.
Maybe someone out there can make a case better than "small stuff is more expensive" and help me figure it out.
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Jerry is an amateur woodworker and struggling shade tree mechanic. There's nothing he can't take apart, but many things he can't reassemble. You'll find him writing and speaking his loud opinion on Android Central and occasionally on Twitter.
I use android pay every so often (mostly only if there is a deal).
I use wireless charging nightly.
I use my S-Pen a few times a day (selecting text mostly).
I use my display constantly (so I like high resolution and good color).
I gravitate to high end phones, and because I have a problem I trend to but two or three a year. Hopefully I can not buy any more after the note 8 until at least the note 9 (again I love the S-Pen). I buy cheaper phones for my family who don't use the features I did and do can use cheaper phones without losing out. There's a market for pretty much every phone released, because of there's not then three company wouldn't release it.
Since we accept that fact and we already know what the price of a good laptop is, we are comfortable with laptop prices.
...I do not mind an old flagship phone in my pocket ...and just so that my original Note 4 might give up on me I bought another Note 4 as a spare (a pre owned phone in very good condition and at a very good price)...and I am happy with my lot now...
For me removable batteries remain more important than the new technology packed into the new Note 8 .....and the sexy look of the phone is a bit strange after the initial infatuation. ...it still does look good ..but I find my Note 4 to be much more comfortable to my eyes....
If I get the urge I might buy a Note tablet at some future time if some clever person posted a video on YouTube describing how to go about opening the back in order to replace the battery....
But I will not be shelling out money for a Note 8 or any future phone with a sealed up back.....
Samsung services could not troubleshoot the issue and guestimate a repair bill of about 250USD.
so LG Stylo 3 Plus here I come.
264USD total. good screen, even better than note 4, much better visibility in sunlight.
a little sluggish some times, but very usable. the only thing I wish LG had done are, in order of importance
#1. wireless charging
#2 Better camera, I sue my phone for everything and camera is **meh
#3. Stylus with a none-smooth head. it is a challenge to get the stylus out, especially when I use the case. need something to grip.
and as an after though, water resistance. good to have but I had used 5 phones over the years so far and none of them got wet.
With in 10 years I predict a 2 and 3k phone easy, maybe more.
People are paying 400k for 50k house, 50k for a 8k car, the world has gone nuts!!
1st 17 yr old Honda is more reliable than a new VW or Mercedes. And it definitely won't cost you thousands and thousands to repair unless it was salvaged auction sales.
2nd you must be one of those who takes everything literally. Of course, using a car is not adequate comparison. To recharge your car it will take you a trip to a gas station and $20+ to pay for it. recharging your phone more convenient and almost free (0.X cents). Jerry "struggles" finding the reasons, simply because they are not worth much more than any other mid range phone. no phone is worth more than a few hundred bucks. but, in the market based system with shareholders expecting great returns these prices are more than realistic. There is a huge infrastructure to support from hardware to software divisions, R&D, marketing, customer service, unsold devices in projected time (eventual discounts), etc and it all costs a lot of money, then you have to add all possible litigations current or future. Sum all that up and add sweet executive salaries with most important Investment Returns for shareholders to keep them happy and bring more in.
So, on top of the actual value of the device you need as much cushion as possible to add to it. Otherwise, your customers won't be happy (lack of support, quality control, timely updates, etc) or you are just going bankrupt. That's why the little guy can't compete - we just don't see great OEMs who just make phones.
The plus model iPhones are also fine after 3 years.
Five years of software support? Not very likely, even Apple's support lacks that far out (missing features, lag, etc). Greeting Qualcomm, broadcom, etc. To support their chips that far out is not going to happen either, they don't have an incentive.
But yeah let's call people names and wish for the moon.
For those of you that are under 50 you'll need to go to a used bookstore and pick up a copy of MacWorld or PC World to confirm what I'm saying.
In the mid to late 80's 1 MB of RAM for an Apple IIe cost approximately $50.00, so to outfit a PC today that comes with 6 GB of RAM in 1980's dollars that would be $300,000.00 alone for RAM. Want a 20 MB EXTERNAL hard drive to go with that IIe? You'll have to pony up another $2000.00. How about a whopping 128MB video card from Orange Micro? Another few thousand dollars please..
IMO There has never been a time for better consumer value per dollar in technology, as there is today.
What I do have use for is a phone capable of high quality portraits of people, since that's the subject of 99% of my photos. The wide angle lens to me is more a parlor trick than something very useful, the barrel distortion and inability to be decent in low light makes it borderline unusable for me in most scenarios. As far as functionality is concerned you're mistaken, the Pixel has more function, the V30 has more features and form. The V30 is by and large prettier imo. And it has more features, a wide angle lens on tap for those that see the value, wireless charging, expandable storage, a HiFI DAC etc. But it lacks the fundamentals imo; The absolute best capability for photographing people, and in low light.
Guaranteed monthly updates to keep you secure.
Guaranteed quick and pleasant software experience since there's no bloat or middleware. And suddenly I find myself with a phone that fits the bill at a higher premium, simple.
If you're buying a Pixel or Note how much of an upgrade is there really over a 1 Plus or Honor 9?
If I can get a 100 great photos of my newborn it'll be worth it.
Phone will be for my wife who will use it for Facebook and online shopping.
$999 seems expensive even for the Top Rated Smartphone experience in the world. Samsung was throwing in some great AKG and a wireless charger for preorders. I am sure those are worth something. Ever since Companies started outsourcing their manufacturing to China, they have become emboldened to only increase their prices and lower their quality. It applies to even the super premium brands like Armani. As long as brands outsource their products to super low paid workers' made manufactured, product prices will NEVER be justified. But long as iPhone throws around lower than flagship species phoes around at higher than flagship level prices, nobody else can be questioned for their pricing. Justified or not.
Gives me all I need. That said, I still pine for and ogle at the latest and greatest of phones. One can dream right?
And now i have added 6s 64gb selling my old 5s
sooo anyway if you buy 1000 phone THEN next year you sell it to somebody that means some is getting their flagship for half price so its okay, go round ,buy,sell,buy...
the problem is OEM leeching out of people instincts for social approval and therefore pushing and selling same phones every year, completely lack of innovation and progress, complete lack of useful things in that SOCs,
im happy from my last year 599phone.
I never turn my laptop on these days...
1000 phone are not new. Last year I paid over 1000 for my iphone 7+ AND my pixel xl with tax and device protection plans. When I ordered my Pixel 2 XL it was over $1000 with just taxes and almost 1150 with google protect. I expect the iphone X to be almost 1450 with tax and apple care plus. I guess it is less than that if you count what I will get when I sell my existing devices. should be able to get 500-550 for my iphone and 400-450 for my pixel xl.
For me, I plan on using it for 3 years and that is the only way I see the value in it.
I wish Google give us choice about the Home Mini, a $50 discount or use it toward Pixel Buds or VR headset is better. I will sell it for sure
People are quick to accept junk as "good enough"
I would bet that every single person who won't buy a Note 8, Pixel XL, iPhone 8+ 256GB, are the same people who would go to best buy and grab the $500 4k because they can't see the value in the Master Panel in the $2000 TV that is the same size.
America is always looking for the best price instead of the Best Product.
The Note 8 will get Android 8.0 , 9.0 minimum, and maybe 10. Take care of it and it will last 3-4 years. People are Still using a Note 4's today
Next day: "Man, I just bought a my wife an absolutely USELESS diamond necklace that does NOTHING but sparkle, it cost $1900" Value is what you make it.
to Me, ALL (100%) jewelry is the most stupid waste of money in the entire world.
But, there has to be a reason my local mall had SEVEN jewelry shops. In ONE mall. not even a Big mall. and they've all been there now for 10 years, so they must be making money.
and yes, I know that $1900 necklace will last a long time and not drop in value, but unless someone hits bottom, they don't sell jewelry gifts.
and again, it does literally NOTHING. sparkles. shiny glass does the same thing at 1/1000th the price.
2. They don't fulfill needs. If the midrange phone (which is simply last year's high end phone) fulfills one's needs and doesn't break, it won't need to be replaced any sooner than a high end phone would be. Not everyone needs to be on the cutting edge, so a midrange is perfectly fine until it breaks. Breaking, as I'm using the term, includes a battery no longer holding a charge.
You use your phone more thanna laptop usually as you ca. Always have it with you.
In technology, miniaturisation comes at a cost and is harder to manage. It’s more complicated to make a powerful phone than a computer (because lack of space, no vent etc.) so comparing it to a laptop or a car isn’t relevant
- high quality plastic shell (Lumia style)
- 4000mAh battery
- very good single lens camera (big sensor, no hump thanks to the big battery)
- microSD support
- headphone jack + good DAC
- SD6XX / SD8XX (if really needed for camera quality)
- 4+ go RAM
- 5 inches OLED screen with shatterproof cover
- front speakers
- don't care about bezels (let say between Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL)
- Stock Android
- Software updates for 3 years
- IP68 certification
- 500€ (max 600€) I hoped the reborn Nokia would bring this kind of devices, but we got aluminum and poor cameras...
It also have an headphone jack while still compatible with wireless headset and weather resistant (Apple, Google, you're just some greedy accessories sellers) I would pay more for a 2017 phone if I I could use it as a REAL productivity tool, like an improved Continuum W10M or Dex experience and replace my computer. But I don't see any of those $1000 flagships replace my laptop... There are a nice companion to it.
Speaking about laptops, 5 years laptop are still powerful enough and compatible with latest OS updates (and compatible with various OS). There are also less prone to be damaged / stolen than a phone...
Ie, buy a used pixel now at 350 - in 2 years upgrade -> 3 year old phone when upgraded -> 175/year for your use
buy new pixel 2 now for 700 - in 3 years upgrade -> 3 year old phone when upgraded ->233/year
This website and those of it's ilk should be clearly recommending 'mid range' phones until these manufacturers knock about $400 of the top of the market.
While you pad your ego with reasons why you need the best, I'll keep using my Moto g5+ and save $750.
If we simpply stop buying new Smartphones every time they get released the price wil drop.
Nice example is the essential Phone heralded as the next big step, now down in price.
Smartphones these days are looked upon by manufactures as throw away products [I know not the right translation} with a lifespan of 2 to 3 years.
As soon as we the consumer stop buying into that and use our phones longer then 3 years and manufactures and Google or Apple start suppoirting older phones those prices are valid until then I'm not paying top dollar for something that only lasts 2 to 3 years