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How much longer do we fight for the headphone jack?

I love having a headphone jack on my phone. Even though I don't actually use it every day (love my Bluetooth headphones (opens in new tab)), I sure do miss it in the couple times a week when I encounter a 3.5 mm audio cable that I'd like to plug into my phone and I simply can't do it. When I use the Pixel 2 XL, HTC U11, Essential Phone or the various iPhones owned by my family, I don't carry around an adapter to let me plug in that headphone cable. Yet when I want to listen to something privately, or plug into my car stereo, or hook up to a friend's speaker, that's still the universally expected way to get it done.

Saying, "Oh here's how you pair the Bluetooth on it" isn't a fast or easy way to get the audio out of my phone and into the thing sitting right in front of me. Even with NFC pairing or Google's new "fast pairing" method going forward, nothing beats plugging a piece of metal into a port in terms of simplicity. USB-C audio shows promise, but we're so early in its development — with clear standards battles still to be fought — that we're years away from its ubiquity. Even though it's an "old" analog technology, the headphone jack still has plenty of use in 2017 (and beyond). It's worth fighting for as a standard port on consumer electronics like phones, laptops and tablets.

But the question is, how much longer do we continue to complain about the lack of a headphone jack before we realize it's a lost cause and an irreversible trend?

Google Pixel 2 and Nexus 5X

As soon as Apple released the iPhone 7, the stage had been set for high-end phones to come without a headphone jack on them. Motorola, HTC, Google and many others have now followed suit. Though none of the companies have been able to give us a real, solid, user-focused reason for the removal of the port, it's a clear win for each and every one of them. Even though the margins are small, it's one less component in each phone, one less point of failure, one less gap of entry for water and dust, one less weak point in the increasingly thin frame of the phone ... and one more way to sell you new headphones and speakers, of course.

The companies, it seems, are in the power position here — and we're fighting like they're not.

Samsung and LG are the increasingly rare exceptions, at least for now. Every phone they each sell still comes with a headphone jack. Samsung uses that fact to take digs at the competition for easy marketing wins, while LG uses it as a differentiator and doubles down on it with a high-quality DAC in its top-end phones. There's a good argument, however, that Samsung is selling phones with the headphone jack as a tiny part of the overall sales driver, and LG ... well, it isn't really selling many phones in either case.

HTC U11 headphones

The companies, it seems, are in the power position here. With a majority of new high-end phones being announced without a headphone jack, it sure doesn't seem like any of them are interested in changing their tune in a response to our complaints. It seems no matter how loud we are, it isn't a big enough issue to dissuade us entirely from buying a phone without a headphone jack — particularly as our number of options for phones with the jack is decreasing. And just like physical keyboards, removable batteries and SD card slots have turned into features that are either niche or dead entirely, it seems the headphone jack will follow suit.

I'm not quite done complaining about the lack of a headphone jack on new phones. But I'm getting pretty damn tired of it, and am coming to the realization that nobody who has any influence on these products is listening at this point. I'm ... nearing defeat.

Andrew was an Executive Editor, U.S. at Android Central between 2012 and 2020.

191 Comments
  • Well the consumer can make the difference with their wallet. It's your money that your spending and if a company doesn't have the component(s) that you want, don't purchase their product. If they see enough of a loss based on sales figures for lack of a feature or innovation, they see their failure. Unless they're apple and say it's because people are waiting for their other device.
  • @StayClassy101... The problem is, doubt enough people will get on the bandwagon to make the difference. It's the usual case with most things in a situation like this, there's more people that "will" buy than those that will not.
  • Yes and it's true unfortunately. Individuals, some anyway must have the newest device and don't care about lost functionality. I can't use a device with a Bluetooth for another thing to charge. People work hard for their money and should carefully evaluate their purchases but that won't happen especially now and some will impulse buy until they realize that actually they need the jack or another feature.
  • Exactly; it's just not a deal breaker for enough people. Nearly every time I hear "vote with your wallet," it's just infeasible. Except in very rare cases, you'll never get enough people to boycott a product to make even a fraction of a dent in its sales.
  • Unless you are MS and selling Windows Phones.
  • Except the Pixel 2 phones are having other issues as well...and even if they DIDNT, they make up an insignificant fraction of total phone sales. They wont set ANY trends.
  • I think the impulse buy and not doing research have a big part it in. I know a lot of people who have purchased iPhone 7 and newer then complain about the headphone jack missing because they didn't realize it until after purchasing. Of course they also aren't willing to return their shiny new toy just for the jack and instead pony up $100+ for some new blutooth buds just like the vendors want.
  • Which... Those people are voting too. So it's working.
  • How do you "vote with your wallet" when there's nothing left to buy WITH a headphone jack (except maybe some real crappy phones with specs akin to a 5yo phone) because all the manufacturers of quality phones have decided it's more profitable to upsell the user overpriced Bluetooth accessories than to continue to incorporate the generations-old cheap standard?
  • You "vote with your wallet" by not opening it and buying into what these manufactures are offering. There are some cheaper phones that may not be top rung spec wise, yet are decent and incorporate features others are negating. Guess it all depends if one is willing to move down a level or two.
  • What about Samsung, LG, Sony?? Honor? Huawei? First gen Pixels? OnePlus 5?
  • You're absolutely right, all those you mentioned are still great phones that can hold their own. I bought the S7 Edge a few months back because we knew where things were heading, and my S7 proved to be great device for me as well. Yes both older but working just fine.
  • I'm not talking about current phones, I'm talking about the near future. For example, I very much suspect that the S8 will be the last phone from Samsung with a headphone jack. I hope I'm wrong.
  • The precedence appears to be set so IMHO it's just a matter of time before the rest follow. Maybe Samsung will opt to stick with the old who knows, but think it will be inevitable at some point.
  • You may be suspecting wrong ;) : https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59597/galaxy-s9-6gb-ram-headphone-jack-se...
  • Well I moved from Windows phone to Android and when moving I had set things I wanted on my next phone. At least 5.5inch screen, camera button, USB c, expandable storage and a headphone jack so by all that I went for the xperia xz premium as it was the only phone that hit all the boxes.
  • what are you talking aabout there are excellent phones out there that are not crippled like apple or google phones asus htc axon etc etc etc my axon 7 makes apple look like yesterdays garbage for speakers dac battery screen resolution etc
  • My Oneplus 5 has a headphone jack.
  • Guess you haven't heard of Samsung? My wife has the S7, son has the S8, I have the Note 8...all have headphone jacks AND expandable memory. Far from crappy 5-y/o phones, the 8's are the best on the market, bar none!
  • Read my other comment above.
  • My point here is that people are continuing to buy phones without a headphone jack because they like the other parts of the phone. And as we've seen in the market, fewer and fewer phones offer headphone jacks ... fewer options for those people who want to vote with their wallet.
  • I think there are more people using bluetooth headphones than the average tech nerd thinks. Most phone buyers are not tech nerds and generally use what comes in the box. If you drive a relatively newer car (mine is a 2010) you probably connect via bluetooth. If you (avg consumer) have a speaker in the house it's probably bluetooth. i think for the vast majority of smart phone buyers no headphone jack is mcuh ado about nothing.
  • "fewer and fewer"? We have Apple phones and the Pixel 2s going without headphone jacks. The VAST majority of phones still have them.
  • Please learn the difference between your and you're. Hard to take even someone with a good idea seriously when you cant use grammar.
  • People complained about Samsung not having expandable storage and Samsung rectified. There is hope, at least with Samsung, I feel that they are listening to their customers better than the competition.
  • You know when I can accept this? When I can plug in a USB-C dongle to any device and it just works with a plug-and-play. I hate this roulette game of guessing which dongle works with with USB-C device. To date, the ONLY dongle that I know works on anything other than a phone it is designed for is the included dongle with the Pixel 2.
  • This!!! and make a dongle that allows you to charge your phone and use the headphone jack at the same time.
  • You might want to try something like this:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B074GKRL9W/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1...
  • So now I am expected to carry around an extra adaptor to get the same functionality I get now without an adaptor? And I get to pay extra for it as well? Nope. Aint gonna happen.
  • i'll accept it when I can plug my damn phone into a car and it will let me read the music. Borrowed my Moms car to run a few errands for her, plugged my phone in and it wasn't readable. [Galaxy s7 and 2016 Nissan Rogue) and I didn't feel like messing up her Bluetooth So just unplugged it and listened to the Radio, which made me almost want to drive into oncoming traffic
  • Does it work with a Pixel? I'm actually asking. I have a Pixel and bought a third party USB-C to headphone adapter just to see. Nope. Could be a crappy adapter, or could be the Pixel doesn't support it. Yes the Pixel has a headphone jack, but so does my iPhone 6s, and lightning headphones work fine on it too.
  • I remember the same things being said about the physical keyboard. Remember in the beginning how inconvenient it was to have to learn where to put your fingers visually, rather than by feel? It's all personal preference right now, but we might as well begin the transition, as it seems this is the future.
  • I still prefer a physical keyboard. Less typos, easy hand eye coordination. It was just better. I bought the Priv just for that feature
  • Funny, I have more typos and type slower on a physical keyboarded phone.
  • Me too Andrew & could never go back to a phone with a keyboard
  • I love the keyboard. I had many less mistakes. The space bar of the virtual one is too close to the bottom keys and is frustrating
  • that's not the same thing though. the keyboard was an interface between you and the phone and moving to a software keyboard didn't really change that. it was a different interface, but you weren't required to wear special gloves, etc. to use it. You didn't need an adapter. The headphone jack is an interface to other systems, not just you. It's *not* simply personal preference. Your decision can still be influenced by your environment and your other accessories. When the rest of industry catches up and it truly is just personal preference, you'd be right. Beginning the transition is fine as long as the rest of the world moves too. Otherwise, you get the problems such as the author mentioned and that's annoying. The transitions shouldn't be annoying. If they are, that means they're not being done well or at the right time.
  • Of course it's not the same thing. I never said it was. I'm just saying that when technology evolves there is always this transitional period. It sucks but that's how it is. Look at CD to iPod and iPod to bluetooth. Prior to the iPod, you didn't need that extra connector to your car stereo. It's comical to look back at those who were resisting mp3 players because of a connector. It's up to each person to decide if the upgrades in new technology are worth the cost of new connectors and wireless buds. That's why I said it's personal preference.
  • The point still stands that even though technology changes, it's not always an evolution. This seems like devolution. This feature reduction turns some accessories to relics. It will lessen battery life for some. More apt comparisons can be made for replaceable batteries and expandable storage. The MP3 players had huge benefits to be gained, though. You could carry many CDs worth in your pocket. It didn't skip. There's no huge benefit to taking away the headphone jack. They just want to sell more stuff, like dongles and new headphones.
  • When the iPod was in its heyday, a *lot* of older cars still had no slot-loading CD player but either a super-inconvenient multi-CD changer in the glove compartment or trunk, or otherwise no CD player at all. Plenty of people relied on portable CD players with tape adapters; some car stereos actually had... yes... a headphone jack. For those people there was no net change in the awkwardness of connecting iPods compared to using CDs. But even for people with slot-loading stereos who would have had to start using tape or FM adapters or headphone cables with iPods, there was still an undeniable and *massive* portability advantage to using iPods over CDs. There was no comparison. It was a genuine and huge practical benefit and technological advancement, and the *only* sacrifice was plugging in a super-inexpensive adapter/cable. That's not the case with the removal of headphone jacks from phones. There's no practical benefit or technological advancement for the sacrifice of a huge amount of convenience and expense. It's purely driven by marketing and cross-selling. We could look back on this in 10 years and, even with the benefit of hindsight, still say that, from the consumer's perspective, it's a stupid trend.
  • But there is a technological advancement. Nose canceling, bass boosting, slimmer phones (hopefully so they manufacturers can put in bigger batteries) are just a few of them.
  • "NoIse canceling, bass boosting"
    Don't we already have that? For over 2 decades or so?
    Slimmer phones only lead to slimmer batteries. Not much advancement there.
  • None of that depends on BT or a lack of 3.5mm jack, though. Bass boosting has been around for decades and isn't dependent on the headphone. (It's more typically done on the device; graphical EQs available on modern smartphones, the bass boost button on my Walkman 25 years ago). Noise cancelling on wired headphones has been around for years. Manufacturers have already demonstrated their desire to pursue ever-decreasing thickness vs. increased battery. Nobody has been clamoring to lose an extra 0.01mm thickness on their next device, yet that 's what we see in each year's new phones rather than the drastically improved battery that everyone actually wants.
  • "Nose canceling" Cool. Free plastic surgery. You can bass boost without Bluetooth. Many of the phones that have no headphone jack are thicker than the ones that do. Your reasons are moot.
  • well apple got rid of the jack and then put in smaller batteries ....so thats just bs
  • I said HOPEFULLY manufacturers will put in bigger batteries. Also, the only way to have active noise canceling earphones is if the earphones are powered. Which you can't do with a 3.5mm Jack. That's why active noise canceling headphones have built in batteries and cost a bunch of money. Just because a cheap set of headphones are marketed as noise canceling, doesn't mean they are active noise canceling.
  • Again, noise cancelling headphones don't require Bluetooth. In fact, Bose has been producing them for years before Bluetooth was even a thing. Try again.
  • I remember the same things being said about the SD card slot. Remember in the beginning how inconvenient it was to have to store everything in the cloud and use data to access it? It's all personal preference right now, but we might as well begin the transition, as it seems this is the future. I'm being sarcastic by the way. My point being the same was said about SD cards and yet here we are with a great many options for smartphones that still support them. I say keep fighting even long after they're gone if indeed they do go away. The writer of this piece, Andrew Martonik, says it's tiring? Really? If that makes you tired then go to the gym or improve your diet as you tire too easily.
  • Remember that Samsung took away the micro SD card slot and then brought it back. It is possible for some of these trends to reverse.
  • speak for yourself pal I use a BlackBerry KEYone
  • I vote with my wallet, and my money will not go to a phone without a headphone jack.
  • This.
  • This exactly.
  • Agreed. But, then again, that's what I said about a removable battery.
  • They'll have to pry my G4 from my cold, dead hands.
  • That is Exactly my reaction.
    I dont know what the heck Apple and Google thought before doing this, other companies are doing it, but the are simply too small in the game that their decision doesn't matter much.
    I am glad that the likes of Samsung and LG are sticking with Headphone jack.
  • I'm also voting with my wallet this holiday season and getting the v30. Just wish our voice was loud enough to get through. I want a phone that has more features. Not less. A Swiss army knife of phones. There isn't one flagship phone this year with IR. Probably cost pennies to put in and no extra room but convenient for some of us once in awhile. Daily? No. But sure is appreciated when there's a situation. I like having options.. I connect my flip 4 to my phone via headphone jack in the garage so the battery will last longer. I don't have Bluetooth in my car because it's old af. We should keep complaining to manufacturers about things we want until they listen. They can be in their own bubble sometimes.
  • I'll keep trying to get one, 50% for the jack, 50% for the FM radio that uses the wired headset as an antenna, and which I listen to several times a week.
  • I hope that Samsung and LG will continue to go against this idea, along with Sony. As Andrew said, the standard is messy. I believe that the standard should be set before choosing to drop it. This is a totally different issue in comparison to the USB-C thing from 2 years ago?
  • Any phone that doesn't have a headphone jack immediately goes on my personal blacklist. I get the feeling that the removal is a push by the music industry to get rid of the "analog hole" that stops DRM from working.
  • it minimizes it, but doesn't close it. Generally when referring to the 'analog hole' they're referring to the actual sound itself. At some point, it needs to be converted to analog to go out a speaker, even a bluetooth speaker. And moreover, there's still between the speaker and your ear that will always be open. The analog hole can never be entirely closed.
  • "But the question is, how much longer do we continue to complain about the lack of a headphone jack before we realize it's a lost cause and an irreversible trend?" Just like 5 years ago when everyone said fighting for a mSD slot was a "lost cause"...? Seems that "lost cause" was never really lost. Personally, I'll get a new phone when the new phone has enough features over my old phone to justify the money being asked for it. If the new phones don't have enough beneficial features, then I won't get a new one. If phone makers don't want to offer compelling features, they won't make a sale from me. If a sale to me (and others that think like me) affects their sales enough, they will change their marketing tactics.
  • Amazing how much influence Apple has on Android in terms of getting them to remove key features that really set them apart from Apple. My Motorola MPX220 had a 2.5 headphone jack. My HTC Tytn 2 had a dongle. Yuck I hate them. But yes you can miss me with this Android phones copying Apple and removing sh*t.
  • I will fight 'till my last breadth. I've already decided that when cell phones makers stop with the head phone jack, I'll stop buying new phones. I'll get along just fine with my late model V70 with its 256 bit Deca Dac. Don't get me wrong, I like blu tooth headphones and all but they just don't compare to the audio quality that can be produced with a good pair of wired head phones and the proper tech to power it.
  • No-one is stopping you from using wired headphones, they are just changing the connector. We changed from proprietary charge connectors to mini-usb to micro-usb to USB-C too, and some used adapters. I still use them to support micro, mini, C and lightning. For those fancy headsets I have that are BT but have the option of a cord, it is just a matter of time before I can buy a USB-C cord or a lightning one.
  • This is true, but it also creates problems, mainly that now you have one port for both charging the phone and using wired headphones. To split it you have to carry (and hopefully not lose) a dongle. Additionally if you charge your phone while listing to something the power that one port provides has to be split between the two connections in the dongle, meaning your device won't charge as fast as a dedicated connection.
  • Best things about 3.5mm standardized
    cheap (or expensive as you want)
    no batteries / always ready to go
    leaves the phone charging port open I'm open to another technology that doesn't have its roots in 1880s telecom switchboards, but it should improve on all of the above.
  • ^^^^^ THIS! ^^^^
  • And superior soundquality
  • Well said!
    I would add one more thing: headphones utilizing physical connection (jack) rather than bluetooth are more eco-friendly, as there is no need to produce additional li-ion batteries or special rechargers.
  • Took the words right out of my mouth. I am open to new standards, but they have to be sustainable. The one that comes to mind is removable batteries. There was a time where i wouldn't buy a phone if it didn't have a removable battery, but then battery technology got better and the need to swap batteries wasn't as important anymore. I think Bluetooth could get there, but its not there yet.
  • Mobile phones have their origin in 19th century science - Maxwell's equations. The fact that the jack was invented towards the end of the 19th century just reminds us that electronic technology is older than many realise.
  • I thought that a Google employee ( for whatever that generalization is worth) said that they removed the headphone jack to start getting ready for zero-bezel displays. Still a weird excuse for this generation of devices that haven't taken that step yet, but it is a consumer-focused explanation. I get the reason that people are not happy about it, but personally I haven't been impacted because I use Bluetooth headphones and have for a couple of years now. The only place I use the headphone jack is in my car, so if that's the one place I'll need a dongle, I can handle that. I don't want companies removing the jack as a marketing play to sell more BT headphones, but if it actually serves a design purpose like the one above, then I have no issue with it being phased out.
  • i forget to charge my headphones a lot. that would screw me over. i always have wired and wireless headphones on me because of this.
  • If that's the case they'll have to get rid of the charging port all together
  • I'ma fight by not buying. Even if it means using a phone longer than I would since I update almost every year. Bluetooth is getting better but plugging in is still more convenient and EVERYONE has headphones lying just in case. You don't have worry about another device to charge except your phone. Hard to beat that piece of mind.
  • I'll simply choose not to purchase any phone that doesn't have a headphone jack. I'm not willing to pay for these dongle, non-standardized alternatives that will ultimately cost me more money. There is NO reason whatsoever for removing the headphone jack other than tryna make more money off of new audio products. Pathetic excuse.
  • What a bunch of cry babies! Oh, my headphone jack is gone! Oh, my keyboard isn't physical anymore! I'll vote with my wallet and show those darn companies!
    Get over it! Personally, I haven't used a wired headset in years. Bluetooth accessories aren't that expensive. And I'm glad I don't have to deal with wires hanging all over the place. Or pulling your phone off a table or out of a pocket because you jerk your head.
    As for the keyboard, go and find a good old BB Bold on ebay!
    And if you whiners think that Apple or any of the big players care about a few hundred folks stuck in the past: wake up!
    Everybody wants their phone more beautiful, thinner and larger and modern but when manufacturers change things in order to achieve this the same folks start whining!
    I'm so tired of this headphone jack discussion!
  • You're the perfect consumer for these companies. You just buy whatever they want to sell you without any whining. Anything less than an expensive BT headset leads to constant skipping and even worse sound quality. Phones constantly get more beautiful and larger without needing to remove features. But not everybody wants thinner phones. What for? For less battery life as well?
  • "Get over it! Personally, I haven't used a wired headset in years." You've been putting up with crappy audio for years. Congratulations.
  • I am tired of front-running hipster d-bags who simply accept whatever "for profit" phone manufacturers throw at them as necessary advancements. You can use your Bluetooth headset even if the phone has a headset jack. You don't eliminate one universal standard in favor of an inferior one when they can live inside the same phone......... Unless you are trying to sell more accessories OR appease the recording industry. Worst part is when manufacturers do this and front-runner d-bags pick it up and embrace it as if they are on some higher level of understanding than the rest of us who are capable of critical independent thought.
  • Just because you don't like it doesn't make it inferior. Quite the opposite in fact.
  • Just because you like it doesn't make it superior. Quite the opposite in fact.
  • How does that work. How is it opposite? That's subjectivity at its finest
  • another church of apple parishoner....crappy Bluetooth sound quality to pair with class trailing apple sound fidelity and crappy dac foogle and apple can go have a baby now
  • Another troll!!
  • I can accept that their may be a better way to transmit sound from my device to my ears - and with better sound quality. The issue here is that the headphone jack still does a damn fine job transmitting high quality audio. Only audiophiles (A small percentage of the masses) can detect the difference in quality when switching to digital. Furthermore, bluetooth is STILL NOT UP TO PAR ON THE QUALITY SCALE. I, for one, am not ready to let it go. When the tech industry adopts a standard connector (which would presumably be a lot thinner.) AND mainstream headphones are sold with this connector AND I can charge my device while listening to my music without having to keep up with another piece of hardware (like an adapter or a splitter), then I'd be ready to let it go.
  • Again, I don't see your readers writing so many articles about it. If AC wants it to stop, they can stop publishing articles about it almost every day.
  • Okay, here's the issue I have. I run a live sound business. Sometimes the "break music" or the "dance tracks" for a dance company are only on the client's phones. Now, professional audio gear doesn't use bluetooth. I have to adapt their "aux" cables to my mixer to begin with. Now, I have to use a bluetooth dongle because of these new phones, and because clients don't even understand why it would or wouldn't work. I mean, they hired a professional to know that for them, didn't they? The problem is, audio through bluetooth sounds AWFUL on a PA system. The bass is thin, the higher frequencies sound like digital hash. I use bluetooth myself for my car because my car system is crappy enough for it not to matter. I HATE bluetooth in any other application for streaming audio. I understand 5.0 is supposed to sound better. Not to my ears. I also understand the technology exists through lossless compression and bluetooth 5.0 to make it not sound like crap, but consumers don't know or care.
  • Okay, first, most people who don't know or don't care about lossless compression would mostly not care about sound quality at all. For most people, sound that comes from Apple's EarPods or headphones that came out of the box with their phone purchase is enough. And even if you discern good sound quality out of a phone through your headphones, it wouldn't mostly, since there are really few phones that have high-quality DAC that can play up to 24-bit quality. There are good bluetooth headphones out there, like the Sony MDR-1000X that produces good sound quality wirelessly.
  • This all over. I carry an iPod with all my music on it so that I have walk-in music for shows I'm engineering. With 320 kbps mp3s, it's good enough (still not perfect) for pro use, and every system has a 3.5mm cable dangling out - plus I carry my own. If I forget my iPod, I can pop in my phone, which has a 256 GB SD card, also with all my music on it. Many bands throw me an mp3 player or a phone with their walk-in music on it Take away the socket and all that convenience goes. No BT adapter will be flexible enough to cope with that kind of use. And that's before you get to the fact that the audio quality is frankly quite gash. Less bad with the latest standards, but still ropey.
  • USB-C is OK but compagny like Bose should make USB-C cable for there headphone...
  • The deleted headphone jack is about competition to reduce mobile phone thickness... It's impact on the edge. I don't believe for an instant a millimeter or two difference is a screaming issue driven by consumers.... No, the drive to hyper thin phones comes from within the walls of Apple and Android developers. I got angry once battery size was being limited... That's basic folks... If your phone doesn't have power, it doesn't matter how bloody thin it is! I accept that as the screen size, resolution, and processor/memory capacity has increased, more power is required to keep a phone on as long as older, dumber phones (sure, let's set aside more efficient chips, the screens are huge these days and denser pixels) Rumors are now spreading that Samsung will be guided by a two day full use ability for the Note 9....*a thicker phone for extended use without charge, and a headphone jack, matter to me. Don't be foolish people... Apple eliminated the headphone jack to force upgrades to wireless headphones. Apple bought Beats in May 2014... The deal took about a year to close.... *a year to design iPhone 7...*Apple launched iPhone 7 September, 2016 with a full slate of wireless Apple owned beats to sell. The Apple 6S (with headphone jack) and 7 were both 7.1mm thick. I do value premium headphones. I'm thankful to own a pair of Bowers & Wilkins P9s... Hell no, I'm not throwing aside $1000 (Canadian $) headphones. Yes, they are durable and sound wonderful. I'm not a big fan of yet another device that needs batteries either... Bluetooth isn't necessary for how I listen, except when it is beaming to my SUV's stereo... Yes, other than leather seats, the best thing about the SUV premium package is the stereo.... Lol... Only 1/2 joking... Plenty more about the premium trim I enjoy. PS Bought a Fender electric guitar and learning from scratch... The Roland Go:Mixer plugs into my phone and guitar... And music output to a headphone jack... As others wrote, most stereo equipment isn't Bluetooth, lol.... Things like mini speaker systems are only now becoming more popular. Eggs. Bose Soundtouch 30. Cheers.... 3.5 jack for life, lol.
  • My old note 4 headphone jack was always broke and it sucked without it. Especially trying to find a decent pair of Bluetooth headphones on Amazon, while trying to avoid Chinese counterfeits.
    I'm really glad Samsung has kept the headphone jack on my note 8. It's convenient and consumes less battery than Bluetooth.
  • I use wired headphones everyday, it's an important feature for me. I tend to buy phones unlocked in the $200-$400 range and the mid market seems to all still have them for now at least
  • I have several headphones, from $100 to $1000, none of which are USB-C. I travel frequently and use my headphone quite a lot. With a dongle, I have one more tiny thing to worry about when traveling, If I lose it, then I can't listen to music. Some might say..."oh just use Bluetooth headphones, they are awesome and convenient". My answer - Yes, they are convenient, but Bluetooth has technological limitations and even the best Bluetooth headphone cannot provide the same audio quality as that of a half priced analog headphone. I am a bit of an audiophile, so audio purity is EXTREMELY important to me. I like convenience, but not at the cost of functionality. While USB-C may be the future of headphones, we are not there yet. The universal standards are missing, one manufacturer’s USB-C to 3.5mm dongle doesn't work with another manufacturer's phone and there are hardly any decent/audiophile grade headphones that support USB-C. Even if headphone manufacturers release more USB-C headphones in the next couple years, what happens to my thousands of dollars of home electronics that still have 3.5mm jacks for headphones? Now do I need a reverse cable – a male 3.5mm - USB C to use the new USB-C headphone?? We are clearly in a transition period where we need manufacturers to support old technology UNTIL the new technology is developed and mature. Cutting the cord doesn't solve the problem when the new standards are clearly missing.
  • I have a Note 8 with the newest Bluetooth standard, and a super nice pair of over the ear blue tooth headphones. The TRUTH is Bluetooth audio still sucks. My headphone that plug into my phone via the headphone jack still sound WAY better and cost half the price of the nice Bluetooth pair. Until Bluetooth audio is lossless and perfect quality the headphone jack is a must have. Its really that simple. AND it's REALLY DUMP AF for a company to remove the headphone for NO REASON AT ALL.
  • When manufacturers start including Bluetooth headphones in the packaging of a phone they removed the headphone jack on.
  • 1. Jacked headphones don't need to be recharged.
    2. Current wireless headphone technology does not put out the same audio quality compared to a pair of mid/high-range wired headphones.
    3. Decent wired headphones are cheaper than their wireless counterparts. Until these three things are dealt with keep your grubby paws off my headphone jack.
  • I'm a Hardcore SkullCandy Fan, Have Bluetooth's, other ears and Earbuds. INK'D Line Bluetooth and Buds. Only difference is that one is Bluetooth.
    Could blind fold me put one side from each in my ears, I could pick the difference out between the Wired and Bluetooth everyday. Which is a bit crazy considering I can buy the wired for about $14 bucks, and the Wireless ran me about $50. [CDN] Plus I like to go from my phone to my ipod for various reasons [ipod has about 10years worth of music on it] so very convent to just unplug and plug back in., no turn off blue tooth. power off headphone turn headphones off turn on wifi. wait for the synch and good to go. Just like to wireless so I can charge at my desk and not have a wire run across my keyboard [I have small desk[
  • I consider the headphone jack a highly useful "feature", because... 1. When I need to max out my phone battery life, I leave the BT headset home and plug in headphones.
    2. When I make videos, I use an external mic that plugs into that jack.
    3. Dongles are clumsy and just another thing to lose or leave behind when you need it.
  • My two use cases for my headphone jack are my wife's car and my motorcycle. On the bike, I plug in one bud and get great sound without worrying about expensive buds or the buds battery life. I play music in my wife's car about once a month. It's not convenient through the UI to tell the stereo to grab my BT instead of hers, and if I do that and she gets a phone call it won't route through the speakers and mic anymore. A simple wire solves both these problems. Thankfully we're still both on the Z Play, so I get my battery beast and my tunes without an issue.
  • @Andrew Martonik,
    This! This is what makes go crazy! So by what you're saying, we should all gobble everything that OEMs shove down our throats, right? Like sheeps led to the slaugthererblock, right? You seem to forget that as a consumer, you HAVE the right to object to anything not deems not your taste, be it useful, helpful, or down right personal taste. Tell me, when no one says anything about the lack of a feature, in this case lack of an headphone port, who's gonna say it then? Certainly not the OEMs since they're the ones shoving that feature down our throats! Another case in point, when OEMs change their phones into all glass such as Samsung nowadays, presumably for a "premium" feeling, you guys tech reporters all swooned over it. But then in every SINGLE review, there will be this saying, "bad back because it's a finger magnet AND prone to scratches and break in a drop". What's the material before glass? Plastic. The same material you guys sneered on, but it doesn't break, scratch or distort! OEMs want you or all of us spend more money. As a consumer, you can stand up and say your stuff is BS, or gobble like mindless creatures. Based on your article, am I wrong to assume you already threw in the towel and decided to gobble up whatever gimmick OEMs throw out.
  • #savethejack
  • Just yesterday I was given the option by Amazon to return my HTC U11 which I'm doing (defective fingerprint sensor) and right now I'm using my HTC 10 and I'm loving having the headphone jack back but I know this phone will not last me forever. I also have come to the realization that my next phone is not going to have a headphone jack and I guess I'm fine with it. I just want in return a standard for USB C audio and great speakers but idk I'm thinking of maybe getting the v30 but I just don't like LG software and it is keeping away atm but for now my HTC 10 is really going strong so who knows what I will do
  • your next phone will be missing a headphone jack if you buy one with a missing headphone jack....its that simple, period , realization?....... of what ....that you've lost the will to speak with your wallet???
  • There are USB-C digital headphones available. They work similar to how USB headsets work on PCs instead of with an analog dongle. That's the future. The music quality can be so much better even from cheap phones as long as they implement USB digital audio. There are some available headphones by brand names like Sony and Audio Technica that produce them but you will have to change the USB cable to a USB-C 2.0 cable for it to work with the newer phones. The more options like this and cheaper brands the better.
  • Until all phones have wireless charging, significantly longer battery life, or 2 USB C ports. I can live with an adapter or USB C audio, but not having music while charging is beyond stupid from my perspective. Of course every laptop, desktop, tablet, and phone I've owned has had one, so it's weird to just get rid of it.
  • I'm going jackless and will see how it goes. I will be using an adapter and buy more to attach to my spare headphones. I shouldn't miss a beat, and eventually there will be more USB-C headphones out there so that I won't need a dongle. It will be back to life as normal.
  • One thing no one is mentioning. With a headphone jack, the D/A converter and audio amplifier are in the phone. With USB C they are in the dongle or headphones. So every pair of headphones has to duplicate the D/A and amplifier function. Having these components in the phone generally leads to higher quality components - one set in a relatively expensive piece of equipment. The ones that get crammed into the relatively inexpensive headphones just cannot compete - and it is duplicitive in every set of headphones leading to duplicated and inferior components. This is the part that makes zero sense to me. Hopefully someone will build a dongle with a nice D/A converter and amp that I can use with all of my expensive wired headphones.
  • Phones have to have the D/A and A/D because otherwise how can you make voice calls? The same ones get used for the headphones. So is this a cynical ploy to upsell expensive new headphones? Yes or yes?
  • I haven't used a headphone jack in a long time. People need to give it up. Wireless headphones are it right now. Same goes with sd cards. I'm loving cloud storage. Why wouldn't you?
  • No. You are wrong on both accounts.
  • I will give up when there is a REAL alternative.
  • You do know most people don't have 256G of cloud storage and their data usage is capped? I can duplicate my photos quite quickly using a PC and carry copies in both my phones. A lot of people in this country have a 20G limit on their broadband, let alone their data is probably only 4G or less. They cannot do nearly as much with cloud as with SD, and that will not change in years.
  • I smell a TROLL!!!
  • Check your nostrils.
  • So a lot of you guys want to keep headphone jacks? Why aren't you complaining there is no RCA jack connector? How about the fact it's missing a parallel port? No serial port? Technology marches on. Get over it.
  • Bluetooth is not an improvement.
  • This sums it up completely. ^
  • Those ports were replaced by USB which was faster, allowed for fancy new tech like "plug & play" devices, and was more reliable.
    Bluetooth removes uncomfortable wires will sacrificing sound quality, connection reliability, and average cost (any headset will cost more if it's wireless). So no, it's not the same.
  • how many phone have you owned with rca plugs or a parellel port ? a silly comment from the apple cool aid brigade
  • How is this a relevant comment? Were talking about small phones, not big computers.
  • Because wireless headphones are inferior to nice wired headphones, and the D/A converters and amps are vastly inferior. If you really care about audio quality, it matters. If all you want is convenience, or you cannot tell the difference, then you probably don't mind wireless. Most advances in technology are either higher quality, or the same quality with more convenience. No headphone jack is lower quality and actually less convenient.
  • The majority of phones sold still have the 3.5mm headphone socket. And the vast majority of Android phones have it. It is a feature of a few top devices. Well I will happily stay away from them and keep my headphones.
  • Andrew, I'm not sure if you'll see this way down here, but you could always get something like this Bluetooth to 3.5mm adapter. I know it means carrying one more thing, but it may be a stopgap. http://a.co/619ncDZ
  • "But the question is, how much longer do we continue to complain about the lack of a headphone jack before we realize it's a lost cause and an irreversible trend?"
    When I can place my phone in my pocket and not have to suffer constant sound skipping with a moderately priced BT headset, I'll gladly go full BT and never look back.
  • Here's the thing. We consumers have a say. No matter how little impact it may have, rolling over isn't really the way you get what you want. Losing options should never be the norm. I understand you don't think it's worth fighting but we the vocal minority would still try. We tried and lost with replaceable battery and IR blaster but we will still fight.
  • When I walk my dog at te dog park with uneven ground and every le-ft St-ep dosn-t ma-ke it so-nd li-ke I'm ha-ving a Conversation with Stevie From Malcolm in the middle, [If I put it in a Breast pocket then it's better, but Don't always have that option
  • Exactly the situation I refuse to use BT fully. I can't take a jog (well, I jog like once every 6 months but still) and place my phone in any pocket without having my music skipping on me every few seconds.
  • We will fight for as long as it takes. Everyone get behind me. THIS IS SPARTA!!!
  • We fight until we win.
  • Remember when removable storage was a lost cause a few years ago? This can be just end with it being a bullet point that some phones have and others don't.
  • Well, I have a say in this. I like having the 3.5mm jack. I use it regularly (I can be on some very long support or conference calls where a BT device may not have the staying power to perform, some will I acknowledge this) as for this being an irreversible trend , I present the case of Samsung going with no-sd card phones and realizing the mistake and going back to sd expandable phones. I'm not saying this will hold for the 3.5 jack but If enough people find this useful and don't accept devices lacking a desired function... well you get the idea. Cheers,
    BR
  • We shouldn't keep fighting. We need to suck it up for ourselves and port over just as we will have to update our surroundings for these new USB-C cables. It's been a long time we have had these previous iterations of connections. While I don't want my Bose headphones to always require some form of conversion in between them it is what it is.
  • I think it's absolutely necessary for a few reasons. The first being sound quality. Yes you can buy a $200 - $300 pair of bluetooth headphones with good sound quality, but you can buy a $40 pair of wired earbuds that will do just the same. Price... which was mentioned before, but look, I can't justify spending that much on headphones with a rechargeable battery that will leave me with a $300 brick in a couple of years. I purchased a Sony headset (not bluetooth) but you could upload music directly onto it... It just so happened to stop holding a charge right as the warranty expired. Lastly...Charging....Just one more thing to charge and when you run out of juice on your trip or commute, you're searching for an outlet or having to use a portable charger. Bluetooth doesn't suck the life out of your phone's battery, but it doesn't exactly help either.
  • The LG V30 has a jack with DAC and it sounds great with a good set of cans also the note 8 sounds great too.
  • I personally use BT because quite frankly audio quality is not something I nit pick about as I'm not an audiophile type and I like the freedom of wireless. However that being said I do keep wired around when I travel just in case though i'd just as well be fine using a dongle since using a wired headset is a rarity for me but I respect people's preference for wired. My 2 cents though is that I feel the bigger problem is that there's not enough USB-C headphones coming into the market. With this huge shift to USB-C not just on phones but new laptops, Chromebooks, even video cards are coming with USB-C ports so why is it taking so long for manufacturers to even have USB-C headphones available in the mainstream? I figured every headphone manufacturer would at least have one model out by now but it's a small handful that are even making them and those are not even extremely well known brands that do - JBL might be the most well known and that in itself shows how niche this USB-C headphone market is. Not even the phone manufacturers themselves package USB-C earbuds with their phones, they still give you a dongle instead - why? If you want to promote a no 3.5mm headphone jack life then offset it with making USB-C earbuds with your $600 phones. That would ease people's transition alot more and quell alot of resistance to the change
  • Until Android has reliable bluetooth that doesn't crap the bed with every update. I have a Galaxy Nexus, a Droid incredible and an LG G3 that all have broken bluetooth that worked at one point, got a system update, then it was a crapshoot. The G3 will connect to call audio only if you turn off bluetooth and then turn it back on. Rebooting the phone or clearing the data on the bluetooth app resolves it, but it immediately breaks again if you toggle bluetooth. I absolutely gave up on bluetooth except for call audio in the car because that always works. If all of the flagships go bluetooth only, I'll go with mid tier. Google + bluetooth = crapshoot. I tried to give bluetooth an legit chance and even bought a nice pair. Jumping through hoops to use them got old. My wire always works.
  • I've been using the same model of BT headphones since 2012. I get between 10-12 hours on a charge. Between my BT headphones, BT in my car, the BT speaker in my shower, and the BT speaker that I take around to a room when I don't feel like using my headphones. So I'd say the time to stop fighting about this was 5 years ago. But hey, all you angry people can just keep fighting against the inevitable. Just a friendly reminder, as you type out your angry reply, don't forget to save your work on your 3.5" floppy disk. Just in case the power goes out on your tower, I'd hate for you lose everything. Windows XP won't autosave your work, and I know you have that movie at home you are dying to watch on VHS. I'm sure the image quality is amazing on that 20" crt tv.
  • So much BS.
  • What an asinine comparison! The floppy went away not because of inconvenience but because of storage requirements
  • "Though none of the companies have been able to give us a real, solid, user-focused reason for the removal of the port" Well, when you put it like that, it's pretty much true. We can definitely point to specific reasons why each company did it, and just about all of them are profit-focused and not user-focused. Apple got a double bonus by saving money on the jack, and making money on lightning port licensing. Most other companies can't make any money on licensing, but they do save a bit on the jack hardware and supporting elements. The oddball in all this? HTC. Yes, they saved a bit on the headphone hardware themselves, but any savings were negated by the in-house R&D they did on their version of USB C audio. Then they include headphones so advanced that they require the phone's CPU to deliver all their capabilities. And to top off their anti-money-saving plan, they go out of their way to build an external DAC in the adapter that delivers much higher quality that it needs to. When you factor everything in, HTC lost money to eliminate the 3.5 jack, and for what? To give a user-focused audio experience that no one has ever been able to do before? Yes, and it comes in the box as a complete package. Having a 3.5 jack built in is a convenience feature, and I had to make a habit out keeping the adapter in my laptop back or on the end of my favorite headphones. The headphone jack has been on the job for 139 years, and does not stand in the way of analog audio quality. But, neither does it do anything to improve audio quality. If I had to pick between having a simple jack for convenience, or having stunning audio and advanced capabilities, I know which direction I would go.
  • Put the Kool-Aid down for a minute and consider that the only (non-Apple) phones dropping the headphone jack are low volume brands and devices: the Moto Z2 Force, HTC, the Pixel 2, and the Essential PH-1 (which sold a whopping 5K units, apparently). Android's true heavy hitters - Samsung, LG, and Huawei - still carry headphone jacks. BTW, I say this as someone who owns an HTC U11 and a Z2 Force.
  • As long as relevant mobile companies like Samsung, LG, Sony etc keep the headphone jack, it will remain.
    It's not because Apple removed it and the Google iPhone rip-off followed suit that it's "a thing".
    Some smaller more irrelevant companies like HTC have tried it too but then again, they've tried everything to remain relevant to little avail. And with Samsung buying Harman, LG and Sony making a fuss about their DAC's...I think we'll be seeing the headphone jack becoming something that differentiates good phones (S8, V30, XZ1 etc) from Valley-Girl-Phones (iPhone and iPixel). I personally won't buy a phone without a headphone jack. Period. If companies don't offer me a phone with it, I'll simply keep using the one I already use. In the end, it's their loss, not mine. I'm the one keeping the money.
  • You had me until the valley girl bit, I don't think valley girls care much about the fact that those two phones are some of the only ones receiving timely updates, both Security and OS ;)
  • Samsung also provides timely security updates. They aren't faster with OS upgrades because they actually have features on their phones. We tend to let those who have to be on the bleeding edge take the hits.
  • Hmm, my S8 that was sold and my S7 say other wise.
  • I think it’s be more convenient to still have the headphone jack, but my issue as someone who predominantly uses the headphones that come with their phone for everything, I cannot use them with others devices now. For example, I can’t use the headphones that came with my Android phone with my iPhone now, or vice verse. I can’t use either of them with my PC either. Go ahead and kill the headphone jack, but replace it with a universal standard so all modern headphones can be used with all modern devices.
  • I don't use headphones enough to want to invest in good Bluetooth ones, and they would inevitably be lost, not charged, or I would forget exactly how to pair them. I have watched enough other people to know that Bluetooth ones just aren't as simple as plug 'n play, which I can do when for some reason I do use headphones as long as the jack is there. And, I can pick up a pair quick in the airport, just like I did a couple of days ago. In other words, I probably won't use any headphones without a jack making it simple to do so.
  • I am in rental cars quite often. I prefer to use an adapter cable as I am not a fan of dumping my contact lists and text messages into a vehicle that I will only be in for a few days. The blue tooth connection tends auto play (shakes fist) my last played item, even if I switch to FM or Satellite As for headphone use, I am of the lot that believe BT headphone sound quality (jaybird x2), although decent, are not as good of a quality as I would prefer. Wired still sound far superior to my ears. Wired headphones never need charged.
  • I agree with you. I travel with a 3.5mm cable specifically because rental car Bluetooth quality and reliability is questionable, at best. I have had more than one car - as recently as the past 6 months - either outright not connect or only connect about 50% of the time.
  • I don't think the adapters are all that bad if you want to keep using wired headsets. Before long the better headsets will come with optional cables for whatever end you want. You could get Bose cables wired properly for iPhone or everything else. Why not a USB-C or lightning cable. Good headsets come with a case. Keep the dongle with it, or keep it on the cable. They are cheap enough. I lived through micro, mini, usb-C charging. I'll live through this. There are more important things to be incensed about.
  • I'm fine without it though my phone has it. Bluetooth is perfect so I'm happy with it or without it.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pi_SykMCsI could not said it better...
  • I feel defeated. I wanted a Pixel 2 XL, but going to have to hang on to my G6 without software updates.
  • I keep feeling that way about my combo of Mate 9 and G6 :(
  • I'm just waiting for the first group to take advantage of the fact that you can totally skip digital to analog conversion with USB C spec if you have the right listening device. The first to do this and thus improve the audio quality, perhaps in combo with a DAC, will likely have my $$
  • There are many devices nearly or just as good as IPhone or the other flagship devices that don't have a headphone jack. Vote with your wallet and buy what you feel is the best device that fits your needs, I'd vote to buy a device with a headphone jack as I use it every day. IPhones and other flagship level devices are as much about being style symbols as anything else. Spec for spec my Moto G5 Plus might not be as good as my brother's high end IPhone, but my G5 Plus does everything that I need it to do very well including playing music quickly and easily once in the car with a cord and a jack. It's subjective...
  • i vote with my wallet and afaic any phone without a headphone jack of sd support is dead to me ..... so keep up the fight i will just because 2 gorrilas called apple and google says it good for me ,,????????,,,, no way
  • The main point for me is the impact on battery life. Connect a smartphone to a set of BT cans for some music, or a headset to make some calls, and the battery gets depleted much faster.
    BT 5 and above should make a big difference, but there are relatively few phones with it so far.
  • Team Jack :
    - Z1C
    - Nintendo Switch (no bluetooth)
    - Pioneer HiFi from the 80's
    - Car autoradio (no bluetooth)
    - AKG K-240
    - various wired headset
  • If a phone is missing an sd card slot or a headphone socket then I simply won't consider it, I have nice wired headphones and no interest in having to carry around a dongle all the time to use them. In the future my opinion may change e.g. I used to prefer a removable battery, but an external power pack became a better option when I had other things such as a kindle or a tablet to also charge on the go. However, it is tougher to see that happening with the headphone jack as even if BT eventually catches up to wired then it still has the negatives of using more battery and costing more.
  • I personally don't care about the headphone jack i use bluetooth in my car, bluetooth headphones at the gym etc. but my use case is not everyones. MY issue is no manufacturer is providing headphones except apple and the amount of USB-c headphones available are very minimal. The times most of us are going to care about a headphone jack are those stranded times, stuck in an airport and forgot or didnt bring headphones being able to buy a cheap pair is great. That is when i would miss the headphone jack the most its not an always thing but without a solid alternative it is a bigger sting.
  • If there is no headphone jack I won't buy it
  • We fight with our dollars until they listen. How hard is that?
  • How about the inherent security issues with BT as opposed to analog audio? Yes it is possible to use mics to snoop in on analog audio but BT is a different proposition altogether due to the phone itself broadcasting that signal.
  • Even if everyone, including Apple, agrees that USB-C is the new standard, and all UCB-C headphones work with all USB-C ports, that won't be the standard for long. I'm sure a smaller or more advanced version of USB-C will come along in the next 5 years and we'll be in the same situation we're in now with the 3.5mm port. The beauty of 3.5mm is that it's completely separate from the charging/data port, so the charging port can advance and change regularly without needing to change audio devices or buy new adapters all the time to keep up. Moving to USB-C or Lightning is an act of convenience and literal penny-pinching, not a long-term solution.
  • I will continue to complain about the lack of the headphone jack, lack of micro SD card slots, curved screens, 2:1 (18:9) screens, rounded corners on screens, phones that are too big ("phablets"), and lack of replaceable batteries. I even miss the micro HDMI connection some phone used to have. Now get off my lawn.
  • An infinite number of think pieces would make no difference in the fight. in fact, the fight has already been lost. When Apple removed the jack from the iPhone 7 and it sold like crazy the industry noticed. I expect no mainstream phone to have a headphone jack within 3 years. We lost.
  • If you want to remove the Headphone jack, give us 2 USB C ports! That way we can charge and listen to music at the same time. Removing something and offering nothing in it's place is garbage. Not buying a phone that doesn't have a headphone jack or at least 2 usb c ports.
  • or buy bluetooth
  • this is easy, just buy samsung. i dont know why you'd get any other phone now. samsung has samsung pay, which is a deal breaker for me. any phone without it feels obsolete. the headphone jack is just a plus. funny we have apps like TiDAL now supporting hifi audio and then people wont even have headphone support to play high quality audio. bluetooth sure, but good luck finding bluetooth headphones that dont run out of batteries and have sound comparable at the same price as traditional aux input.
  • Funny, these manufacturers are pushing consumers to go Bluetooth by not offering a headphone jack, but I don't see them omitting the USB port to force us to go wireless charging.
  • The cellphone has become the main media player for music (and video probably), as evidenced by the discontinuance of the ipod. It is just too convenient to use the phone for both and not have to carry an additional device. Many people still enjoy high end audio (myself included), and the flac file and possibly soon the MQA format have become the go to source aside from a resurgence of the analog LP. Even the CD player is pretty much gone from the high end and music servers are the norm. There is absolutely a market, although a small one relative to the cellphone market, for quality audio playback. Bluetooth quality doesn't compare to a good wired headset nor probably will any time soon. I for one will not consider a phone without a memory card slot (store my very large flac files on it) and most likely a headphone jack (if they still exist when it's time to upgrade). I hope they do. HTC, are you listenlng???? (I know, Alac files are the the norm for people with Apple devices, and they probably comprise the majority of stored digital music, non Apple listeners use flac)
  • While it's dying the fact is that the headphone jack is the only thing on the phone that will work with ANY WIRED HEADSET (without a battery penalty) PERIOD. Bluetooth uses battery and the Bluetooth headsets have to be charged and are battery limited themselves. My Bluetooth headset died yesterday and I pulled out my emergency wired headset and used it for the rest of the day.
  • I foresee a day when people who have phones with headphone jacks will be compared to people who insist that tube amps just sound better. The big phone OEMs can remove it but someone is going to make a ton of money being the "McIntosh" of smartphones.
  • I won't consider a phone without a removable battery especially after the failure of the battery in my HTC M8 and HTC's failure to replace it when they said they would. But where does that leave me next time I need to buy a new phone? There will most likely not be a phone with a removable battery. Yep, voting with your wallet really works...
  • Wow, you aren't exaggerating. There wasn't a single phone released in 2017 beyond budget level with a removable battery. Here are all the phones with a price over 200 dollars with a removable battery made this year: https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2017&nPriceMin=150&idBatR... Not a single mid range phone in the group, even. Going back to 2016. the LG G5 and LG V20 were the only mid range or better released. https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2016&nPriceMin=150&idBatR... So many people talk about wanting a phone that will last three years, but it's virtually impossible to use a phone for three years without the battery performance degrading a noticeable amount. Historically, replaceable batteries have cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 USD. A fantastic deal. Too good in fact! That's why they no longer exist. Phones with removable batteries are also much easier to perform minor repairs on for people with no more technical experience than what it takes to assemble a desktop PC from parts ordered online. I bet Samsung wishes the Note 7 had a replaceable battery.
  • Simple answer, stop BUYING this crap! Samsung TRIED getting rid of a micro-usb card slot on the Note 5 and the S6, and suffered dismal sales! They brought it back on the S7 and Note 7, and kept it going with the S8 and Note 8. I will never buy a phone without expandable memory or a 3.5mm jack, even though I don't use the jack all the time...I WANT TO HAVE IT. Want to change things? Vote with your money!
  • I'm glad Samsung listened!
  • I had a couple of flights this week and not one person was using wireless earphones of any kind despite several iphones being used.
    Every single person (using headphones, not every one on the plane) had wired headphones and 80% were on ear variety such as Bose / Sony etc...
    What does that tell you about removing the jack, it's just another attempt to force something onto people like 3d tv, curved tv and virtual reality..most people don't want or need it and already get a superior and easier experience as they are.
  • The 3.5 mm round jack is superb. VERY durable. No orientation issues... KEEP THIS ****.
  • People who use Square and other credit card swiping devices probably will not like the fact of having to carry around piece in order to make a sale. Losing a reader can be free to replace. Losing a small cable (probably proprietary to the manufacturer) will cost $20+ in my guess.
  • Andrew, You guys could also just take a crap on every phone released without it (senselessly). I'm sure that would help quite a bit. Just saying. The OEM would deserve it. For your review just say "This phone has no headphone jack. It's the worst, most user hostile move ever. Do not buy. " That's the entirety of the review.
  • No jack. No greenbacks. I have both wireless buds and wired cans for different situations. I will vote with my dollars. I need a jack, an SD card slot and a removable battery. That gets my dollars.
  • My cat cut the cables of my last two pairs of headphones. Switched to Bluetooth since then. Maybe she's working for Apple. She'd better buy her own food.
  • For the love of god, don't get rid of it. There's literally no reason to not have it. Of you forgot to charge your wireless headphones before you travel? You're screwed.
  • I don't know. How much longer are you willing to hear music as it was recorded not as a poorly reproduced representative of what was recorded? How much longer are you willing to see pictures that are truly representative of the scene that was shot, not an oversaturated "illustration" that some algorithm calculates you'll like more?
  • Yes, Samsung is the "rare exception"...selling approximately 20% of all phones on the market. Come on! A Pixel isn't going to be the end of the headphone jack! It's marketshare is insignificant and it's not going to set any trends.
  • I'm so torn. I LOVE my cheap little Sony Noise-Cancelling headphones for sitting around or watching 1 or 2 YouTube clips, but I'm not attached to them. I'd never take them out to the gym or elsewhere. It really comes down to certain use cases. For example, they're perfect for international flights, because I don't have to worry about the batteries dying like I would with Bluetooth headphones. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft make decisions to put the 3.5mm jack on the top right of the screen on the Surface Book (who thought that made sense???), which really means just as much to me as it not even having a headphone jack. For me, personally, I'll hope the phone I buy next year has a headphone jack, but that will hold no weight in my decision on whether or not to buy one. I'll definitely get a couple USB-C to 3.5mm adapters for use in rental or work cars, though, since that's the real situation where the 3.5mm jack matters most.