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The iPhone SE doesn't need Android to be the perfect Google phone

iPhone 11 Pro and Pixel 4 XL
iPhone 11 Pro and Pixel 4 XL (Image credit: Joe Maring / Android Central)

Okay, before you all start burning me alive with your hot takes and iSheep remarks, hear me out for a minute. This is an idea I first considered after hearing something my former colleague Rene Ritchie once said in one of his myriad articles, tweets, YouTube videos, or podcast appearances (he has so much content, I can't remember exactly when or where he brought this up). If you think about it, one of the best Google experiences that you can have on a phone is on an iPhone. After all, Google makes basically all of its apps available on iOS, and those Apple versions are often updated more quickly and receive features faster than their Android counterparts.

While this idea isn't original, I thought it was worth revisiting in light of the newly announced iPhone SE (2020). It's true that you could use Google's great apps on any iPhone, but there hasn't been a recent iPhone that has been quite as compelling to workshop this idea with than the affordably priced SE. Starting at $399, it is going right up against some of the best Android mid-rangers, and in most ways, it flat-out eats their lunch.

State of mid-rangers on Android

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Nokia 7.2 with its display turned on

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Google Pixel 3a XL

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Moto G Stylus 2020 And Moto G Power 2020

Android devices, and in particular mid-range Android devices, have traditionally been synonymous with value-conscious consumers, and for good reason. These devices often offered better screens, fancier features, and more eye-popping designs than iPhones that cost two, three, or even four times as much.

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For the past several years, Android users have had a plethora of outstanding options to choose from in the $200-$500 space from OEMs like Motorola, Nokia, OnePlus, and even Google itself. But within the past week, this state of affairs has been challenged by none other than Apple, with the 2020 version of the iPhone SE.

I do think many Android OEMs will meet the challenge from iPhone SE head-on over the coming year.

While Android OEMs are going to have to rethink their approach for the mid-tier, I have full confidence that many will be able to quickly recalibrate to meet this new challenge from Apple head-on. After all, we still have yet to see what exactly the Pixel 4a will bring to the table.

However, if you are someone who loves all things Google but is not necessarily super loyal to a specific device manufacturer or OS, or if your primary concern is budget and value above all else, you may actually want to consider moving to the iPhone SE. Think that's crazy? Think that's blasphemy? Well, the initial response to the device from the AC forums has been more receptive than you might think.

The Google experience, on iPhone

Google iOS apps

Source: Jeramy Johnson / Android CentralC'mon Apple, there are WAY more Google apps on iOS than this. (Image credit: Source: Jeramy Johnson / Android Central)

Even though we all knew that a new iPhone SE was coming, I think a lot of the tech industry, and particularly the Android press, had our collective socks knocked off at the value proposition of the new budget iPhone.

The 2020 iPhone SE came as a slap to the face of mid-tier Android OEMs.

Yeah, yeah, it looks super dated and doesn't have the best screen technology out there (which mid-ranger does?), but what you get for the price is superb. Apple's latest processor is objectively faster than the best from Qualcomm, it guarantees software updates and support FOR YEARS, and all of the benefits that come with being part of the Apple ecosystem make it a compelling sell, even to an Android fanboi. I mean, what are you really missing out on here? Not much, in my opinion.

Sure, you can't customize iOS to anywhere near the extent that you can Android, and some of the other limitations and UX/UI design decisions may be baffling for someone who's used to Android. But, you do still get pretty much any and every app you can find on Android (including the best of Google), as well as iOS platform exclusives and apps that launch there first.

Speaking of those Google apps on iOS, the last time I checked (which was this morning), there are more than 60 Google apps available in the iOS AppStore, including favorites like Gmail, Google Calendar, and YouTube, down to more obscure apps like Google Analytics, Google Shopping, and the newly available Google Podcasts. Oh yeah, don't forget about Waze and (soon?) Fitbit!

I regularly have between six and nine Google apps on my iPhone home screen at any given point, but I also have another twelve to fifteen that I use less frequently and are tucked away in a folder on the second page. I thought it would be interesting to populate my home screen with all of my Google apps, and you know what? It's doesn't seem that crazy of an idea at all (although I do wish Apple would have an app drawer — the clutter is just too much!).

Google Apps Iphone

Source: Jeramy Johnson / Android Central (Image credit: Source: Jeramy Johnson / Android Central)

Great Googly Moogly

I don't think I'm that much of a weirdo or an edge case when I say that I like using tech products and services from a variety of manufacturers and across several ecosystems. In my home, I've got Macs and Chromebooks, iPhones and iPads, Galaxys, Motos, Echos, and Nest products. I think Outlook is arguably the best email client around, and Alexa is my favorite voice assistant. But on the whole, I find myself using Google's apps and services more than any other company's, and one of the reasons is that they generally offer a consistent, reliable, and enjoyable experience regardless of the device on which I'm using them.

Google apps generally offer consistent, reliable, and enjoyable experiences on multiple platforms.

I said in an earlier editorial that I was considering picking up the new OnePlus 8 when it is available on my carrier (T-Mobile). I still stand by that statement, and it's a move I'm actively debating. But you know what? I'm also pining for the Google Pixel 4a. And I also not-so-low-key really really want a Product Red iPhone SE. Maybe I'll go full-on tech bro and get both the Pixel 4a and the iPhone SE for the same price or less than one of the new OnePlus handsets, maybe not. None of these phones are available for me on my upgrade plan right now, and I'm trying to be responsible with my money during these uncertain times. But in an ideal scenario, I would plan to have one of each of these awesome new mid-rangers, and if that happens I'll then be able to really see what the better overall Google experience for me is.

I'm not saying that Android users should flock to Apple, or that many well, despite how good a value the iPhone SE is. But I do think it's a compelling option for those who are on the fence. You may (vehemently) disagree, and you know what? That's ok too.

iPhone SE 2020

iPhone SE 2020

With the A13 Bionic under the hood along with IP67 water resistance and wireless charging, the iPhone SE turns the value category on its head. There's no Android equivalent to the kind of power you're getting here, and when you consider the fact that you get at least four years of software updates on iOS, the iPhone SE is a fantastic alternative to Android phones.

Jeramy is proud to help *Keep Austin Weird* and loves hiking in the hill country of central Texas with a breakfast taco in each hand. When he's not writing about smart home gadgets and wearables, he's defending his relationship with his smart voice assistants to his family. You can follow him on Twitter at @jeramyutgw.

176 Comments
  • I just bought the s20. Problem is that my whole family has iPhones. I have an out of state number for work which actually confuses customers (service work). I ordered a project fi sim with a new number and I plan on picking up an SE to use as my personal communication device and the Samsung for work/play.
  • I don't know if it's just me or what but I don't see how a family having an iPhone and you ha IMG an Android is a "problem", I have a 4 xl and iPhone and honestly iMessage is no different then just texting unless you use animoji and some of those other features otherwise it's the same thing.
  • The FOMO is real, but so is iMessage, FaceTime, Find a Friend, and Apple Wallet (yes, Apple Wallet).
  • So, not trolling you or anything, but honestly Apple’s services DO matter. Take iMessage, it’s so much more than “a blue bubble.” I can get really high res video of my kids “texted” to me from family members who are less tech savvy and I can also “text videos” to them. Being able to “thumbs up” a comment in a chat saves a lot of time a lot of the times. It’s a feature I see people mocking but then praising similar “dumb simple” features found on other devices. For example, just this last year can I dl apps over 250mb on iOS and cellular. Seems small, but its a big deal as part of a larger whole. Another think is Apple Pay. There is 0.0000000001% chance I could/would want to convince my fam of using like the cash app, so my one sibling that is on my cell plan used to give me cash. Now? Boom, Apple Pay. Simple. These features may not hit you like Kramer through a door, but together as a whole they make the phone work for users instead of the other way around. It’s brilliant. Same with AirDrop. I understand there “are ways to do the same thing” but they are rarely beautiful and never built in out of the box. There is a TON of value in an Apple device.
  • I agree. iPhone just works right out of the box and setup is a breeze. I really enjoy airdrop as well
  • Nope. No phone works right out of the box. Every phone needs to be set up.
    I can't just power up an iPhone right out of the box and make a phone call or send a text or air drop or check a website.
  • Android "just works" straight out the box same as iPhone... No difference at all, both need to be set up just the same (signing into services, apps, etc)
  • Agreed.. i had the se and returned it because it simply lacked.
  • Everything you just said works on an Android phone out of the box with exception of being able to thumb up a comment in a text chat. However, you could just put an actual thumb up emoji instead so that way people not on iPhones don't get that weird message that says "such and such liked this comment or loved this comment". We all know you got an iPhone, no need to broadcast it cross all your chats with this weird feature. So I don't get your argument over features. However, all your family having idevices does make a difference. That is definitely a valid point there. I fell into a similar dilemma as you where my immediate family used all Android but every other part of my family across the world used idevices. I kept my Android phone and used an iPad air to bridge that gap. I get the best of both worlds and now have both a small form factor and large form factor device. I for one don't see the two ecosystems as opposites you have to choose from. I feel like you can have both work in harmony. I like having airplay and Chromecast. I like having both imessage and verified sms with chat features. Sure, if you're out and about without your iPad, you won't get that hi-res video of your nephews immediately, but they'll be there when you get home if you insist on receiving them through imessage. I say make both ecosystems work for you in unison.
  • Dude...iMessage is on out the tin. Therefore, in the US anyone with an iPhone uses it de facto. Then later on that day videos Are shared which aren’t compressed and everyone drinks wine. Thats all the more thought that is put into. If your postulate is that out of the tin Android works the same way on SMS/MMS you are wrong beyond saving. It is objectively not the same experience. But cheers mate. Enjoy
  • There is a ton of value in an Android device. What you value may/will differ from the next person.
    Millions of people each year go into mobile stores and choose something other than an Apple device on purpose. They make these informed decisions based on what they VALUE/need at that time. Each year people move from an Apple device to an Android/Google device on purpose, due to fluctuating needs/wants. Apple devices are outstanding and amazing , as are Android devices. No one has a monopoly on greatness. And a cursory glimpse at sales numbers will reveal that not everyone is sold on the "value" of Apple devices. And that's fine. Just understand that.
  • I agree to a certain extent but I've come to realise with Android, I will always be upgrading my phone every 2 years which is something I don't want to do anymore and while.i like the experience with Android, I feel that the app experience is still better with the iPhone (Android developers don't care enough about the platform) , they get the latest features first which a few don't even make it to Android and then there's the software support, which I feel is unacceptable for the high prices you pay for an Android flagship these days in which I expect 5 years support like Apple does but I think Qualcomm is to blame for this as they stop updating their drivers for their SoCs after maybe 3 years and then there's security, my Facebook account was hacked and had to change my password which has never happened to me on iPhone ever and I don't download apps from outside the Play Store very much
    either so those are a few reasons why I'm switching back to iPhone (as my daily driver) after 2 years away in the summer but I will still have Android because I like both platforms now but I trust Apple more because of security and privacy.
  • I do hope Apple will sell a ton of the SE. Competition is great!
  • Apple will sell a ton just off of people hanging onto their old iPhones because they couldn't afford a new one the last few years.
    Android must respond and not by just cutting the price of what they are offering now. Something truly different and compelling must be added. I expect a performance bump in mid range snap dragon offerings but their to be more. It might take a couple of years but we will get something special.
  • Literally everyone fawned over how affordable the 11/Xr is/was. People who had been on Plus model iPhones actually saw their monthly payments drop. Cupertino handed Android it’s ass on price with the XR
  • At this point I can juste assume androidcentral has been bought by apple. Every ******* article is about, or compares a phone with, or mentions Iphones.
  • Because they review phones, and, God forbid, an iPhone is a phone!
  • No, because it says it in the name ANDROID CENTRAL... not OS Central, not Phone Central.... 🤦🏾‍♂️
  • It's good to know about the competition out there and get opinions about how it stacks up. They do the same at Macrumors as well.
  • No they don't. They NEVER recommend products from other companies on Apple blogs unless no Apple alternative exists.
  • Since we're down to Apple, Google and Samsung, for the most part, exactly what's your point?
  • Android fanboy meltdown, they can review whatever phone they want and in case you've been living under a rock, Android Central is part of mobile nations which also iMore is a part of so when theroa new iPhone, Android Central will always compare them with the latest Android flagships.
  • Took the words right out of my mouth
  • They will keep running them cuz it makes yall so gotdam mad. Then you froth and click, froth and click. $$$ wowy wowy boom boom buks bik boi
  • Ha ha ha
  • Agreed. That iPhone SE was designed in 2013 and was first released as the iPhone 6 in 2014. This is a 7 year old design. And why do we even have an article on AC about a design from 7 years ago? Where is the article about the throttled A13 chip in this thing? AC = Apple Central
  • You're always welcome to seek out a platform that only talks about Android. Or start your own Android Only blog if your particular needs are not being met at Android Central. I'm Curious. Do you not go in Best Buy or your carrier store or order from certain online mobile sites because they stock iphones?
  • As an Android loyalist, this iPhone marks a major shake up in the 'midrange' market, which, heretofore, belonged to Android. It's going to be fascinating going forward.
  • It sure is, because right now there is NO Android mid range phone that offers wireless charging, water resistance and a flagship processor all in one package like the iPhone SE 2 does or the unrivalled software support either.
  • Why not but an old S8.. Has all of the above, better cameras too... Heck even a note 8 you can find for 400$.
  • Again the Note 8 and S8 are at the end of their support from Samsung so while the specs are still great for the money you're paying, therefore one big difference, they both run the older Snapdragon 835 while the iPhone SE 2 runs Apple's Oates A13 bionic chip making the S8 and Note 8 old hat by comparison.
  • I meant to say that Apple's A 13 bionic chip is current on the SE 2 while the older Snapdragon 835 in the S8 and Note 8 are dated and both phones are probably perform like mid rangers now with all that Samsung bloat while the iPhone SE 2 will perform like new in 3 years.
  • My "bloat" Samsung runs just fine years later.
  • Oh please, Samsung phones are known to slow down while iPhones still perform like a champ, on the Android side only OnePlus can stack up against Apple.
  • Beno GTFO off this site and go buy a damn iPhone then
  • I have an Android phone so I qualify to comment and thanks for the advice but I'm already going to get an iPhone 11 and enjoy full features and superior app experience, long software support and day 1 updates with other iPhone users and Vulkan can't hold a candle to Apple's Metal graphics rendering engine.
  • Experience is not at all the same on an iPhone. Using the Nexus line and now the Pixel line for years gives me good perspective on how the Google experience is. Googlifying an iPhone still does not make it better or even as good of an experience at all. Whatever 🌿 you're 🚬 get that 💩 out of here.
  • You do realise that Google apps are better on the iPhone than Android right? Why do you think most new Google products and services are available on iOS first? Because it's a better experience, YouTube were better with no annoying stars animations.
  • So I have full access to my file tree, and can manage, rename, and edit all of my files will no root on an iPhone? It also does display out to allow a true laptop replacement as a phone. Plus with no jailbreak you can easily download applications from your browser or third party app stores? That's the whole reason I can't leave Android. I almost never have to touch my laptop. Usb-Otg, display port out, and true file tree management keep me here. All on a phone I paid $295 for "open box".
  • That's the strength of Android you can do anything you want and customise your phone how you want but if you don't know what you're doing or download an app outside the Play Store that turns out to be malware then you're in trouble and your on your own but with Apple they're with you every step of the way and that's reassuring to me and even the Play Store isn't safe from malware either because of Google's slack criteria for allowing apps on to the Play Store that crap wouldn't fly with Apple because of their strict and sometimes Draconian guidelines but with Apple you know your privacy and data is safe and secure and that matters to me.
  • With YouTube print, experience on Android is way way better than iOS , background listening and PiP worth the €12/month
  • Apart from PIP and background listening on Android, it's still a better experience on iOS than Android.
  • Sadly, you are right. Although I use mostly Microsoft services on my Note 8, I use those se apps on my work phone, which is an iPhone Xr. When I occasionally compare certain features within those apps, I see how it can take months, before the Android version get those same features. A good example, One Note. It took them several months to bring the dark mode to Android. I get it, it's not necessarily a dire thing, but my point is that it took them that long to bring something as simple as dark mode let alone other features. Both Google and Microsoft are guilty of this. It's like they are subconsciously or consciously saying the experience is better on iPhone. So, let's give them the best features first.
  • That's the truth, look how long it took Google to bring dark mode to the Android YouTube app and Gboard, which came out on iPhone first.
  • You are saying Gboard came out for iPhone first??? Ummm... You do realise that it was just an update of Google Keyboard that has been with Android since the beginning right?? Sure, the NAME Gboard was first released on iOS .. in 2016 when apple go ally released this part keyboard capability.... But the the "release " to Android was just an update to their existing app.
  • Yes I'm saying Gboard came to iOS first but before then I didn't know that Google had a keyboard on iOS, I knew they had one for Android but it was rubbish before they renamed it Gboard and I preferred Apple's keyboard over it because Gboard didn't support 3D Touch (my last iPhone was a 6s Plus) which debuted on the iPhone 6s series, which was the last iPhone to have a headphone jack.
  • Your tears will be crocodile sized when iOS 14 introduces default app switching and all the major publications start running “the best android phone is an iphone” articles. The SE is phase one. Remember Steve’s spirit is in the DNA of Apple. Thermo
    Nuclear (WHO-WAAA) (GOOD GOD YALL)
    WHAT IS IT GOOD FOOOOOR
    RAAAAAB-SALOUTLEY NOTHIN SAY IT AGAIN WAR
  • Hahaha. Except... I have been enjoying default app switching for..... I am not sure... Is it 10 years or so now?? What would I rather?? 1 - Have the capability for 10 years living a fulfilled life and then quietly nod and acknowledge when others get it...saying " it's good right? I know how you feel " .... Or... Go through the pain of Not having it all those 10 years.. then when you do finally get it... You are soooo happy that you just cant help but shout at others saying " see .. I have it too now"... Hmmmm tough choice..
  • First off, if a smartphone is the fulcrum of fulfillment in your life, I’m sorry things went so poorly dog. Second, Android in the year 2020, boasts a $1400 device in the S20 Ultra that can’t even autofocus. A device in OnePlus 8 with a faulty display and a Pixel launch this year that saw a flagship with a what, 2mAh battery? Oh and lets not forget HOWIE with its complete and utter lack of Google play services...what a bonafide hustler that device is. Meanwhile us poor iSheep have to deal with class leading cameras, batteries, displays, audio, video, services, software and design on our paltry, unlivable 11/11 Pros. 🙄
  • Squarrow you're talking way too much sense for the Android Fanboys on here to get their heads around. 😂😂😂
  • Show me an iPhone that; -can display and use 4+ apps on the screen simultaneously
    -has dual screen or screen sharing capabilities
    -has a headphone jack with a world class 32bit DAC
    -has full manual mode for both pictures and video
    -let's you record in uncompressed stereo or surround sound
    -let's you omit background noise to focus on a subject in an audio recording
    -lets you connect external peripherals to the device
    -I can go on and on. Get lost iFanboy
  • >can display 4 apps at once
    lol
    >screen sharing
    airplay...hell i can airplay directly to my Samsung QLED
    >dac
    Oh on the LG non-starter Velvet Phone 3+2G with 50 lb second screen case that is the literal “who” of smartphones...lmao. Also, if you’re into audio explain Androids audio input latency...go ahead google it
    >manual mode for camera
    There are apps that do this incredibly well, which is dope because iSheep see software as more valuable than hardware, also, simple addition to iOS 14
    >record in uncompressed stereo
    Again with Lg
    >focused audio
    iPhone 11 has audio zoom
    >Lets you connect externals
    iPad does, other wise give me a mass adopted dongle that people plug into their phone on a daily basis
    >i can go on and on
    Okay Captain American >Get lost iFanboy
    Get rekt general dumb dumb Lololololololololololol #p-p-p-wned
  • Still haven't shown me an iPhone that can do all the things I listed rather just made excuses for it. The V60 isn't 50lvs, I can hold it just fine in the dual screen case. Sorry your hands are too wimpy to handle anything past a puny iPhone screen.
  • Ding, Ding, Ding.
  • All iPhones have their own forums.
    Does the LG V60? Didn't think so.....
    I admit, I kinda do like the Velvet though..
  • Ya, old Steve who never wanted more screen sizes for the Iphone? That Steve?
  • nah a phone with 1,800 mAh battery capacity is not for me. can't deal with iOS wall garden of an OS
  • This. Why is nobody talking about the battery life or lack thereof on this thing? Overall it's a nice deal but that battery life will be a massive downgrade.
  • That's why I returned it... the battery life and the size... I could handle the size of the device if the battery life wasn't subpar... 4 hours of sot is awful. I use social media... text.. and make calls. This is bad, even for Apple. It is a 400 phone yes, but come on Apple...
  • I love the fact that the iPhone SE 2 is NOT running Android and therefore doesn't have all the problems that plague Android, fragmentation, Garbage collection and inferior quality apps (ok that last part isn't true anymore) and iOS, apps work as they should and you have better security along with 5 years software support with iOS and day 1 updates which are global unless Android. I love Android but I I'm not blind to its faults either and iOS isn't perfect either. But at least Apple polices the iOS App Store better than Google does with the Play Store on Android. And the iPhone SE 2 will give the Android mid range segment the kick up the ass it needs, competition is good and Google apps are a better experience on iOS. Warning: salty Android fanboys incoming.
  • Bravo. Well said. 👏
  • > inferior quality apps (ok that last part isn't true anymore) Sadly, it is still true -- just yesterday I had to borrow an iPhone to update firmware on my Rhytm+ device because Scoche does not care much about Andoid... and they aree not alone.
  • The problem with Android apps is that developers simply don't care enough for the platform due to its fragmentation and having to code for millions of different devices which in itself must be a pain but for the most part most apps are fine on both platforms but for social media, iPhone wins hands down, no contest Twitter, Facebook and Instagram are all better on the iPhone including Google's own apps too.
  • Fo Sho. Android OEMs have gotten a bit drunk on grandeur lately. Gallox S20 Ultra, no auto focus starting at $899 (after trade in of a home).
  • This is me. I switch back and forth betweeny Moto Z4 and my iPhone XR. Because I'm invested in the Google ecosystem, switching back and forth is so easy and I'm not really missing out in terms of day-to-day experience.
  • I use all Google services on my iPhones, makes switching back and forth nice and easy.
  • My girlfriend has an iPhone and an iPad but she uses google services. The only Apple service she really uses outside of iMessage since that's built in is Apple Music. But she's in gmail, google calendar, etc as her primary apps. iOS isn't perfect, but there are some things it objectively does better than Android, just like how there are some things that Android does objectively better than iOS. She prefers the things that Apple does better in iOS.
  • Uh yeah no. What kind of dope did you inject yourself with?
  • I think this article was meant for iMore. Anyway, the new SE is just a rebranded 8 with a new processor. Apple sure has its share of fanboys as well.
  • You do know that lots of people here switch back and forth between iOS and Android. So this article is fine. Also, not everyone cares about the same things spec hungry Android fans do. Some people want a solid phone with a great performance, no matter what package it's in. Function over form. I know, shocking!
  • Why iPhone 8...it seems closer to an iPhone 7
  • Why iPhone 8? And looks closer to the iPhone 7? The 8 and 7 are identical. Just the innards are different.
  • I appreciate that Apple updates their phones and their SOC's for an objectively longer time frame, but I struggle with the narrative that the A line SOC's are "faster". They do well on synthetic benchmarks, but is there an objective test that measures something that we actually do with our phones where the A series out performs Android phones powered by Qualcomm. For example, Snapdragons perform much better on video compression, stabilization, and rendering tests.
  • Yet iPhones capture video better than most Android phones. 🤣
  • Err no the Snapdragon doesn't perform better in video, stabilisation and video capture and definitely not audio either, iPhones beat most Android phones in those categories. That's not an opinion, it's been proven.
  • Tell me Beno, what iPhones do you have right now? And what high end Androids do you have to compare them side by side? I do repairs and testing which allows me to have a variety of phones, and right now I have seven iPhones including the XS and 11. Now, I'm not gonna mention what other phones I have because certain individuals (not you) get their panties/briefs in a bunch and start foaming at the mouth when I do. But, since I can lay them on the table or mount them on a tripod anytime I feel like it, it gives me to opportunity see what claims are real, and which ones are exaggerations or simply incorrect. I would not expect anyone here to know this, as Android Central ignored it, but certain phones with excellent cameras received a significant camera updates. Not just tweaks, but changes in quality and processing, including video stabilization. How good it it? I have showed video content to music video producers, production managers, and paid videographers. Do you know what gets the most attention from these individuals? The stabilization and video clarity. One of them accused me of using a gimbal. Is this new stabilization, which uses OIS and gyroscope managed EIS, better than an iPhone? I can't tell. I suspect the iPhone will win by a hair, but I won't know for sure until I test them clamped in the same rig so the movement is precisely the same, then measure the stabilization scientifically. I ordered a dual phone rig specifically for testing this. Regarding audio in video, I engineered a concert this past September, and the guy who owns the video company who filmed it is an "iPhone or no phone" guy. They used iPhones as extra cameras in addition to the two regular cameras, and they also used my phone because he had seen the quality before and liked it. And do you know what their video producer did? They didn't use any of the iPhone audio. The final video was produced using the audio from the "other" phone.
    24 bit Hi-Res certified stereo using four microphones is better, and that's not just an opinion.
  • I currently don't have an iPhone (I'm getting an 11 Pro Max in the summer) but have in the past (2 years ago) and the auditor on the iPhone is great, it's better than the audio in my OnePlus 7T.
  • That's good, now I have a reference point since I don't have a 7T. When I'm engineering small events like a dance concert or contest, I sometimes have girls bring me phones to play their music tracks on. I've learned that Samsungs have trouble with volume, and iPhones play ok, but need the clarity boosted a few DB at 3k and above 8k. I got the iPhone 11 for about $24 per month through AT&T, but wish I had gotten the 11 Pro instead. Wide angle, better glass, and that Midnight Green color is dope (at least to me, lol).
  • I've never used Samsung but I've played around with a Galaxy Note 8 when it came out but I'm a bit indifferent to Samsung and I wanted to be different in my choice of Android phones and most of my Android phones were plain stock Android running on them, I also have a Nokia 8.1 which is a solid device which gets updated regularly unlike my 7T which gets bimonthly updates but to be fair OnePlus has been consistent, well until the Coronavirus crisis which I'm left relying on an app called Oxygen Updater, and how did you get your iPhone 11 so cheap? I'm in the UK and have 2 aim contracts and I'll be upgrading the second one in August to the iPhone 11 Pro Max (contracts for iPhone 11 in general are expensive I. The UK with O2 who I'm with) in the midnight green (nice choice of colour) I've had the gold colour for every iPhone I've had except for the 4S which I had the silver colour.
  • It's the current AT&T price on contract in the states. Oops, actually $25 per month for 30 months, so that totals $750. Not cheap, but just a lot of small payments, lol.
    My 5C is blue, 5S is space gray, 6S Plus is space gray, 7 is black, XS is gold, and the 11 was black because it was all they had in stock. All my HTC's were silver until I got the U11 in brilliant blue, and the U12+ is the translucent blue one that you can see inside of. I did have an M9 in gold, but I disliked the phone so much that I sent it back the next day. My Galaxy S7 Edge was gold, and my ancient Note 3 is black. All of my LG's were black or gray, lol. I do have two upgrades available, and was thinking of using the upgrade to get either a Pixel 4 or an iPhone 11 Pro. I want the 11 Pro more, but I'm desperate to get some hands-on time with the Pixel. What I might do is get the Pixel 4, take a ton of photos for my tests, then return it for the iPhone. I gave my iPhone 11 to someone who needed it bad. Poor guy moved to California to start a new life, and things just went sideways. His new job got put on hold three days after he arrived because of the virus lockdown, so I'm keeping the payments up until he gets back to work.
  • That's cool bro, iPhones are so expensive on contract here in the UK you're paying £65 - £70 for the iPhone 11 Pro Max and that's just for the 64GB (I wish Apple would start with 128GB) for unlimited data and loads of minutes and texts, the iPhone 11 is a lot cheaper at £55 but you have to pay an upfront cost of £50 for the iPhone 11 and £30 for the iPhone 11 Pro Max which you're paying more each month for 3 years but I would only do this for an iPhone because of how long Apple support their phones for.
  • Trust me, we know all about those significant camera updates on those certain phones. You preach about it every time someone questions the "certain" phone.
  • Tech writers need to STOP SAYING that Apple A-series chips are faster than anything running Android, for the simple reason that the Apple chips *can't run Android*. There is no possible way to do a one-to-one comparison, therefore we have no way of knowing how well the Apple chips would actually perform. (Although I predict that the A-series would experience thermal throttling and poor multicore performance if they could actually run Android.)
  • Android would run just fine on an Apple A series chip because they're more than powerful enough to handle Android, the problem would be RAM management because Android consumes a lot of RAM and don't forget all Android apps caches everything to death and makes some apps a lag thanks to the OS constantly garbage collecting thanks to Android being based on Linux and again Android's standby time is poor because of apps running in the background constantly too. Remember iOS is designed around Apple's A series SoCs unlike Android which isn't optimized as well as iOS because it's on millions of phones and tablets where as iOS is designed for the few phones that Apple sell. And also Apple design both the software and hardware so both work together in harmonic unlike Android which OEMs including Google who have to rely on Qualcomm who has an unfair Monopoly on SOCs in the Android world.
  • I think you're actually agreeing with me. The A-series chips are designed specifically to run one operating system, and conversely that OS has been optimized to run on those specific chips. So yeah, it bloody well better run well! If Google were to design a bespoke chip that was intended only to run their flavor of Android, then I'd bet it would run really well too. (Whoops...that's just what they're doing.) But my overall point is that having two chip designs running two different operating systems, is too disparate of a scenario to make a direct comparison.
  • Making an OS for one phone is always easier than adapting to work on thousands of phone from different companies all over the world. You can't make direct comparisons using benchmarks.
  • Yeah I'm agreeing with you but Apple's A series is plenty powerful enough to run Android but the low RAM will hurt the experience for multitasking, especially with the iPhone SE 2 which only has 3GB RAM and that's what is mid range about the SE 2 along with the HD LCD display but that along with the dated design are the only trade offs.
  • Android runs really well on the A10 https://github.com/corellium/projectsandcastle/ . The reason it's not easy is that the iPhone has a very tough-to-crack bootloader and the software limitations on the Android side, not because of the hardware. As for the nonsense about Android caching and lagging and using RAM and Linux, someone really likes to type even though they have no idea what they are talking about.
  • If you read my comment properly Jerry I said some Android apps lag but this is more common in low end Android phones but some apps won't load a website unless I clear the cache even on my OnePlus 7T which isn't a problem on iOS and we all know Android can't run as well on an older Snapdragon (mostly low end though) and 2GB RAM is insufficient for Android while 2GB RAM is fine on iOS for multitasking.
  • Beno, that's a problem on your 7T. I've never had to clear anything to load webpages, even with 171 apps loaded and a dozen of them in RAM. Just letting you know so you don't think OnePlus' problem is everyone's problem. iPhones don't support full multitasking as most people think of it. Unless an iOS app is specifically designed to keep running in the background (like iTunes playing music and a handful of others), application processing is suspended until you switch back to it and pick up where you left off. I'm one of those weird people who actually use multitasking, and right now I've got Google News and Android Central open in split screen mode, with YouTube PIP, and a media app extracting the audio from a full length movie in the background. I asked Siri to do this and she said she didn't understand the question 😉
  • I know all this but it's super annoying that I have to clear the cache for some pages to load on Android and it's not just my 7T, I have to do this on my Nokia 8.1 as well, while I think multitasking o. Android is cool, it's not something I use and care about as much and I'm sure that's the reason why Apple doesn't include it on their iPhones, because iPhone users don't care about multitasking enough even though Apple's phones are more than powerful enough to handle multitasking, I'm not gonna lie, I enjoy PIP on YouTube on Android and will miss that on iOS but that's why I intend on having both Android and iOS to get the best of both worlds.
  • I guess you could try editing massive video clips on an iPad versus and Tab S6 and find out...?
  • I'm the complete opposite; I'm not really impressed with Apple hardware, and prefer as little Google in my Android experience as possible...
  • I've always been impressed with Apple hardware and more so than Android hardware.
  • I wish I could have some of my apple apps on an Android phone. iMessage and a way to use my Apple Watch. Apple's hardware is nice, but it would be nice to have more options like Android offers.
  • How do you use the Apple Watch with an iPhone?
  • You are not to far from the truth! .... Just imagine this scenario ... Google Pixel 2 64GB $399 128GB $450 256GB $499 with snapdragon 865 and 4GB ram wifi6 bands everything else is the same . I can guarantee the narrative would be different.
  • 4gb of RAM on RAMdroid. LOL
  • The Pixel 2 chugged with 4GB RAM because Google though they could be like Apple only to find out that Android is quite the resources hog for any device with only 4GB where as iOS just flies with the same amount of RAM.
  • 4gb is fine for my usage on my A50. I only use about 3 on heavy usage so it's not terrible bro.
  • My honest opinion is, who cares if you want to use an iPhone and put all Google apps on it. Is a few peoples opinions going to change that? Of course not, do what you want. If someone prefers Android they will go with. Android if someone prefers iphk w they will go iPhone lol this logic is not hard to grasp. These articles nowadays just seem pointless and have no real substance to them. The issue with Android is and will continue to be the fragmentation of software and all oft hear different phone designs and that the hardware being qualcoms chips and Android hardware are not optimized as ONE like on IOS. Now the pixel line shows a different side to that because it's smoother and runs better then any Samsung device I've ever used, but again different screen ratio and rounded corners shows how apps are not optimized.
  • But even the Pixels suffer from the same issues that continue to plague Android, the lack of optimisation along with the fragmentation and pathetic software support.
  • Actually the price is finally right. And if iOS can finally get off their "rows upon rows o' icons" look, I could think about jumping. But something as simple as just having a home screen devoid of ANY icons (with a swipe up gesture for apps) seems beyond them, whereas I have that, thanks to Nova Launcher, on all my Androids, from the $150 ones to my $899 ones. I really like the iPad but using an iPhone is tortuous to me because of the hard as hell to personalize interface. I only have so much real estate. I don't want to pollute it with a bunch of app icons.
  • A UI that goes unchanged over THIRTEEN YEARS of product development is completely unheard of in the tech industry. Let's be honest, if it were anybody but Apple, it would be seen as a joke. And yes, the UI is by far the number one factor that has prevented me from ever switching to iOS.
  • The UI is unchanged but so what? People like familiarity and the cohesion between software and have along with the superior app quality and user experience plus the longest software support by any phone vendor and the best customer satisfaction guaranteed yeah iOS isn't perfect such as no app drawer, not much in the way of customisation and the UI is stale but I don't care because iPhone has what I need, security, privacy and it just works plus a superior backup restore are one of a few reasons why I'm switching back to iPhone as my daily driver from Android (my 7T will be a secondary device)
  • How is it completely unheard of in the tech industry when Apple, which is in the tech industry, has gone thirteen years with an unchanged UI? That doesn't sound UNHEARD of to me.
  • Again so what? People like familiarity and that's why Apple has the highest rate of loyalty with their customers because they are satisfied with their iPhones and Apple has built up and brand loyalty and recognition that only Samsung can match on the Android side.
  • Lol you're ridiculous man... did you even read the comment you responded to before getting all giddy to defend your precious Apple product? Doesn't seem like you did buddy...
  • I did read the comment and I stand by mine, most iPhone users don't care if iOS has been unchanged for 13 years, they are with Apple out of brand loyalty. I'm just saying what Apple's strengths are.
  • You responded incorrectly to the comment to which you responded... You clearly didn't comprehend the comment to which you were responding prior to commenting, otherwise you would realize your response makes absolutely no sense in context with the comment to which you are responding... Does that clear it up for you? Probably not...
  • I like the SE but I could never go back to a 4.7in display. But I know for many others would like it and it's one of the trade offs for the price. And the A13chip is the 🌟 of the show? Between the chip, 📷's and even wireless it's going to sell boatloads!
  • Same here. 5.5" or bigger for me. Just wish phone makers would go back to the 16x9 screen format again.
  • Hahaha NO. You accomplished your purpose of clickbait though. Between the incessant affiliate shilling and crap like this the only thing 'Android' on this site these days is the name.
  • There's an extraordinary opportunity here for you to be proactive and create your own online space that doesn't have incessant affiliate shilling or "crap." It would be a site that isn't Android in name only and you wouldn't allow any click bait titles. I'm certain there's a market for this type of site you obviously are not finding online at this point.
  • Come off it, this site sold out a long time ago and you know it, so take your nonsense reply and shove it up your a$$
  • I've always been impressed by Apple's hardware than Android hardware, because for all the big specs of Android phones, the iPhone anti outperforms all of them, which shows that while Apple has less cores than on Android phones, Apple's A series is more powerful than Qualcomm's flagship Snapdragon series and the app experience is better on the iPhone than on Android with apps on both OSes, the Android versions lack featured and isn't as polished as their iOS counterparts, with said features taking longer to come to Android because they're released on iOS first, even Google doesn't care about it's own platform as much with Gboard and dark mode all coming to iOS FIRST. And along with superior software support (5 years compared to 2 years on average with Android phones), it's clear that Android is beginning to stagnate because in the US and UK iOS (at least) has the most market share although the gap in the US is much wiser. With that said, I've switched back and forth for 3 years until 2 years ago when I switched to Android for good but I was able to have my photos and contacts with me because of Google photos which males things easier but I've decided to switch back to Apple as my main phone going forward, for good for a number of reason, the app experience, the security (my Facebook account got hacked), the more consistent updates (OnePlus aren't great with updates) and my privacy yes I know I can't customise as much or hide my apps on iOS but iMessage is so much better than anything else on Android, because I can send pictures and you can know when someone's read your message or when it's delivered and facetime is also better than anything else but Duo comes closest to rivaling facetime but not quite.
  • Can it have integrated Google Assistant or can you only have the awful Siri as default assistant? No...? Well that's all I needed to know iPhones are good phones in all fairness but AS APPLE/iOS phones and that's about it.
  • The Google Assistant app is available. You can add it as a widget and activate it that way. You can't use "OK Google."
  • Sadly you can't integrate Google assistant into iOS, because if you could I would definitely use Google Assistant over Siri which is terrible.
  • I'm considering the SE as a replacement for my Pixel 2XL. I was planning to wait for the iPhone 12 but the price on this new phone is tempting me to jump on board now. I have wanted an Apple watch for a while now because all of my Android watches have been huge disappointments. I was given an 8SE for work and it has been the best phone experience that I have had in years. I do basically what is described in this article on my iPad Pro. It is full of Google apps. I have uninstalled a lot of Apple apps such as maps, keyboards, and mail. It seems like a perfect combination of hardware and software. If I ditch the Android phone I suppose I should change my username...
  • Wait, so if you uninstalled Apple Maps, what happens with CarPlay? I thought you couldn't set it to run any other mapping app. Same thing if you click on a linkable address...can you make it so that it auto-opens Google Maps, or does nothing happen?
  • I have never used CarPlay. I have only deleted Apple Maps on my iPad. When I click on direction links on a website it opens Google Maps. I tried it in both Chrome and Safari. They won't let you delete Safari and there are times when it opens Safari when clicking a website link but all maps open up in Google Maps.
  • Interesting, thanks for the info!
  • You made me realize that I haven't considered my vehicle situation. I use Android Auto in three vehicles. Learning now that Apple Maps is the only option in CarPlay. I suppose I need to plug in my iPad and see how it behaves before I totally jump into an iPhone.
  • You can use Google maps in CarPlay.
  • You can use google maps in CarPlay. It works well actually
  • Splurge on that 11 fampie
  • new iphone se, microscope not included
  • I was thinking about getting the SE2 but I just don't like the way iOS operates. I got an iPad a few months ago because others were telling me it's the best tablet. I don't even use the thing. It just doesn't feel as intuitive to me as Android. I'm still using my Pixel C if I feel like picking up a tablet.
  • How much would you want for the iPad?
  • Another iOS article on here. This site used to be good. If you go to Nike.com they don't advertise Adidas. I buy a lot of under armor, not once have I seen them talk about Reebok or tell you to go buy Reebok clothes. If you go to apple.com they don't tell you to buy a surface tablet. what's wrong with this picture here? Just call this mobile central it's not Android anymore.
  • You do realise that Android Central is part of mobile nations which both iMore and Windows Central are a port of? So when a new iPhone comes out, it's always going to compared to the current Samsung or any other Android flagship. That's the way things work.
  • That 2020 SE is straight out of 2012. Really, apple? You didn't even try. Probably also has 2012 parts in it, jyst overclocked. Tee hee.
  • And yet the iPhone SE 2 is more powerful than any current 2019 or 2020 Android flagship.
  • Yes. And the 40% of the domestic market and 15% of the global market who uses iPhones instead of Android have something to be really excited about. But the rest of the market prefers Android phones and have ever since 2011. The iPhone SE 2 isn't going to change that and neither will any iOS device.
  • The rest of the market uses Android because it's more accessible and cheaper than an iPhone don't assume the rest of the world prefer Android because not everyone wants to be using Android, a lot of people use Android out of necessity. You do NOT speak for the rest of the world and in countries like the US, UK and Australia, they prefer iPhone over Android.
  • Ha ha. It is you who presume to speak for people who have bought other devices! How arrogant and presumptuous is that! Look dude. Android had a much higher market share than the iPhone back when carriers gave you the phone for free in return for a two year commitment. You can also buy a 1 or 2 year old iPhone from any carrier for $15-$20 a month, the same price as a cheaper Android phone. And the iPhone has only 40% market share in the United States. In other wealthy, developed countries like China, Japan and the EU it is much, much lower, like 25%. These are people who buy flagship Samsung and Huawei devices that actually cost hundreds of dollars more than new iPhones and 2-3 times as much as the iPhone SE. Time to exist in reality which you aren't doing.
  • I've checked and did my research, Apple has 57% of the market in the US and 51% of the market in the UK (where I live) yes Android has the most market share worldwide, because there's loads of Android devices and only a few iPhones but on developed countries the iPhone is dominant that's a fact, it's only in places like India and China where Android has a big leader over Apple and Apple is utterly dominant in the profits league as well and males far more money than every single Android OEM including Samsung so it's your that isn't in living in reality, in developed countries Apple is the top smartphone vendor with Samsung a distant second and the iPhone SE 2 is Apple going "thermonuclear" on the Android mid range market.
  • Most consumers don't even know or care about the A13, 865 or any other processor. As long as the phone runs smooth enough.
  • Consumers won't settle for "smooth enough" they want super smooth, and outside of Apple only OnePlus does silky smooth on the Android side, Google used to be on par with OnePlus but since the Pixel 2 XL the Pixels have lost their crown for smoothest Android experience to OnePlus with Pixel phones slowing down now lol.
  • I like my phones to be super silky smoothies.
  • Consumers are NOT tech nerds like you. It runs smooth enough they'll buy what looks good to them
  • Agreed but average consumers are brand loyal and nobody has the Brand loyalty that Apple does.
  • Android is slowly loosing market share to Apple in developed markets like the US and UK and the iPhone SE 2 will eat into Android's market share further because no Android mid range phone can compare with the iPhone SE 2 for what it offers.
  • You guys have been saying that for 10 years. So 10 years from now, I guess the Apple market share will go from 15% to 20% right?
  • 10 years or even 5 years ago, Android had over 80% of the global market but not anymore, as far as the UK and US is concerned (and they are all that I care about) Apple is the top smartphone vendor with Samsung trailing a distant second bwahahaha.
  • Apple has like 44% share in the US - and that's without even trying to compete in the budget smartphone market (the way Samsung, Motorola, Nokia, etc. do). Apple does not care about markets where the average cost consumers are paying for phones is < $200. If they wanted to compete there, they'd have done so. They don't want those customers, because those customers do not invest deeper into the ecosystem. They can't afford to. Apple needs to make money. They are not a charity. Destroying your profit margins for no gain is not a sound strategy for economic growth. As harsh as it sounds, customers who can only pay $200-250 for a phone have little value to Apple, because they likely won't be able to spend enough in the content stores to make up for the price drops necessary to make that happen. This only happens when carriers eat the costs of offering iPhones that cheap (to get new wireless customers), and when the cheap iPhones are like 2 years old and Apple is still selling them (if this ever happens). This is why Apple has been consistently slow moving into developing markets. This is also why their market share globally is low. Android OEMs produce tons of "disposable" low end phones. Apple does not. Apple, however, tends to dominate usage and profits in many developed markets, and have high market share in those. Android and Whatsapp has replaced cheap Blackberry Curves and BBM in many of those markets. Apple isn't interested in that.
  • You do realize that especially in the US and UK, Apple's the dominant and most popular vendor, I rarely see any Android phone that's not a Samsung which is not often go Google it yourself. The information is out there.
  • It can have all the Google apps I use, it'll still have iOS and all it's limits. I won't even mention downgrading from a 6 inch OLED screen (Pixel 3a XL) to a 4.7 inch LCD one.
  • The screen is a trade off but the selling point of the iPhone SE 2 is the fact that you're essentially getting a mini iPhone 11 for $399 and showe an mid range Android phone that has wireless charging, water resistance and a current flagship processor at the price of the iPhone SE 2, you can't because Apple just shook up the mid range segment.
  • Except that most mid-range Android phones had wireless charging and water resistance years before flagship iPhones did and still have features like multiple accounts on the same device and the ability to install apps and buy movies/books from the web and stylus support that iPhones don't. I don't get why everyone is treating the iPhone SE 2 as this great phenom. When the iPhone 12 comes out in a few months the iPhone SE 2 will be running an SOC that is two generations behind ... just like the original iPhone SE, which also didn't spark anywhere near as many platform switchers or change the industry the way that Apple fans said that it would. Instead, the main purchases of the iPhone SE were Apple fans who wanted a cheaper device for their kids or a spare device for themselves. I mean get real. If you are struggling financially or are simply frugal, why on earth would you switch from Android to iOS? You would have to repurchase all of your apps. Android fans don't buy apps? Even if that were true - and it isn't - then why switch to the platform that is based on expensive apps that you have to purchase? Honestly, it only makes sense if you believe that the rest of the world loves Apple products as much as Apple fans do. The rest of the world doesn't because if they did they would buy them. Going back to the original iPhone SE, the most it sold in any given year was 15 million. And the Mac Mini, which was the big bet to lure Windows switchers because it cost $499 and could frequently be had for $399? It was actually Apple's least successful Mac ever! The only ones who bought them were diehard Apple fans who did geek stuff with them like use them as HTPCs or daisy chain them to create server farms ... really neat stuff but it shows how consumers weren't into them despite their being as cheap as or cheaper than most Windows and Android devices. So face the reality: iPhones have been out since 2008, can easily be had by anyone who wants them - including on prepaid plans that specifically target lower income people - so a cheaper iPhone isn't going to change that no matter how fast its processor is.
  • Stylus support is worthless to mention, IMO. Even Note users who pay over a thousand dollars for a phone admit that they either don't use it, or use it as a glorified mouse pointer (or finger input when wearing gloves). Wireless Charging is a nice novelty that many people don't value all that highly, due to the fact that it's not really the most mobile tech at the moment (unless you have an expensive car with a wireless charging pad built-in, in which case you're not struggling to buy a more expensive iPhone, anyways). Apple has iTunes and iBook Store. The thing about buying Movies and Books from the web is 100% ignorable, and sounds like you're grasping at straws. The phone is a great phenom because it's supported for 5 years, costs very little, has a great warranty program that isn't that expensive, and has Apple's large physical retail/support presence behind it. No other OEM really offers that. No other OEM will support a mid-range device as well as Apple. None currently do. The iPhone SE isn't about sparking platform switchers. It's about offering an affordable solution to iPHone users without them having to use a 2-3 year old model sold at a discount (iPhone 8, for example). Compared to the iPhone 8, this phone is clearly better... but it retails for half the price of an iPhone 8 and has much more modern hardware, while keeping a smaller footprint for people who do not want to carry something as big as an iPhone Xs/11 around. The Mac Mini was the least successful because it's a niche machine. It meets its purpose, but it doesn't offer the power that iMacs and MacBook Pros have, nor is it as portable as a MacBook Air. That's why it was the leasst successful. The Mac Pro is probably even less successful, but those are niche machines designed for very specific market segments. They probably aren't even manufactured in as high volumes, because Apple never EXPECTED them to be vast sellers. The iPhone SE was very successful. I know a few people who have them, because they preferred the smaller form factor. I think you're conflating "what you think Apple was going for" with what they were actually going for. Prepaid plans typically have old iPhones being given away. Any new iPhone needs to be bought, so it's still expensive, even if it's on promotion. The people getting iPhone 7 for free from Metro by T-Mobile will undoubtedly prefer this phone, which is basically the same form factor with far superior hardware and better battery life.
  • If the iPhone 11 is fine with an LCD screen then so is the iPhone SE 2, which Apple's LCD screens are much better than anything on the Android side including my Nokia 8.1
  • The screen is too much of a trade off for me. And for many others used to bigger screens for viewing IG. It'll look like a two year old phone to them, they don't know what the difference between a A13 or Snapdragon is. It's biggest selling point will be the compact size, as others solely miss that kind of size. But won't be for everyone.
  • You find out the difference between these CPUs in two years when the iPhone still feels like new and the Android phone now feels like a mid-range phone becuase the OEMs don't bother to properly optimize their builds. Qualcomm is about 2 years behind Apple in SoC performance. Screen is not a problem. Big screens are nice only if you're willing to deal with how huge the device is. I had a Note 9 and happily moved to the small iPhone 11 Pro, because I was exasperated with these huge devices. I love how you think viewing IG is the primary driver for what screen size people prefer on thier phones :-P That's assuming an Android phone that cheap ever gets an update (or even ships with the latest available Android version at time of sale).
  • Here is my frustration. You can read stuff about Apple tech anywhere, because the mainstream media and the tech media is filled with Apple diehards whose "knowledge" of Android and ChromeOS is limited to Samsung flagships for the former and web browsing/casual mobile gaming devices - essentially Google ecosystem Amazon Fire tablets - for the latter. So you want to know how great the Apple SE 2 is at running Google apps? There are 1000 sites that have you covered. But if you want good info on Android and ChromeOS devices, there are like 10-20 maybe, most of which are rarely updated especially if you exclude the "this gadget on sale right now!" content. So when the sources of good Android and ChromeOS content are so few and reliable information on Android and ChromeOS devices so limited, it is frustrated to see Android sites devote so much time to Apple devices. Especially when one considers the FACT that once you get past their massive profits and stock valuation, the actual influence and reach of Apple is limited. Despite the tech media - including Android sites - insisting that Android tablets are terrible and dead, iPads have only 35% of the tablet market.
    Despite the tech media associating mobile device with iPhones, iPhones have only 15% of the mobile phone market.
    Despite the tech media associating mobile apps with iPhones and iPads, the total Android app ecosystem - Google Play, Amazon AppStore, Samsung AppStore and the major Chinese appstores - far exceeds Apple in revenue, and Google Play alone crushes Apple in downloads.
    Despite all the publicity the tech media gives it, Apple has only 7% of the PC market with most of that being enterprise purchases for their employees. <b>Which means almost no one outside the creative industries - which includes media/journalism - buys Macs for personal use.</b> To put it another way, FAR more people buy Android tablets FOR PRODUCTIVITY than buy Macs for home. Samsung alone sold 22 million tablets last year compared to 18 million Macs - across all lines combined including MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, Mac Pro, iMac - sold. Let me give you a couple of examples of what I am talking about: Chromebooks. Fantastic devices because they have 3 platforms that are the best (or close second best) at what they do (almost) seamlessly integrated into a single device: ChromeOS for web/cloud, Android for mobile, Debian for hardcore productivity. With a properly specced device that someone actually takes the time to learn its ins and outs - which is no different from the time that it takes to learn to live within Apple's walled garden or coexist with Windows 10 bugs and design issues - like the Lenovo Yoga 360 or the Samsung Galaxy Chromebook, there is nothing better at their price point for tings like 2D animation, cybersecurity tools or full stack development. Yet we get cnet.com - an alleged tech site mind you - hammering it for not being able to run Windows or macOS applications while never mentioning that it runs Debian: https://www.cnet.com/reviews/lenovo-yoga-chromebook-c630-review/ and actually calling the thing underpowered when a MacBook Air costs almost twice as much for the same amount of RAM and a dual core i3 processor. Just as bad: this leading tech reviewer https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/6/21206151/samsung-galaxy-chromebook-rev... who wonders why the Samsung Galaxy Chromebook costs as much as a MacBook instead of models that are just as good at surfing the web and better at running social media apps that cost half as much. Unlike CNET, at least she mentioned Linux support ... but then states that it doesn't matter because no one is going to use it anyway. (No talk of her, you know, actually installing Skype, LibreOffice or OpenShot to see how it works?) I get why the tech media gives an Apple-centered view of the world. It is the devices that they use every day, and it fits their politics and worldview to be in with the hip, cool, progressive west coast crowd that Apple represents as opposed to the unfashionable, older, lower income more conservative middle America profile of Android and ChromeOS users. That explains the notable lack of outrage by the media when Tim Cook and Phil Schiller make attacks on Android and ChromeOS devices and the heavily lower income/urban/minority people who use them that would be considered classist or racist if it were uttered by Donald Trump or some banking or oil company CEO. But Android blogs like this are supposed to be different. With increasing content like this, Android Central isn't. Which calls into question its reason for continued existence as an Android blog at all. Why not rename it from Android Central to "Multi-Platform Central for people who use Apple devices primarily but dabble with Google, Microsoft, Sony etc. devices as spare/backup/entertainment/curiosity" devices? Because at this point, that would be far more honest. That is why Android sites need to be alternatives to the mainstream media and tech sites that have Apple on the brain (and heart and stomach). And if they are incapable or unwilling to do so, then they need to just be honest about it.
  • That was an essay I just read and who cares? Apple makes great products and has a proper ecosystem unlike most of Android with only Samsung and Huawei coming close to rivalling Apple there and where to you get this nonsense about Tim Cook and Phil Schiller attacking Android users? They attack Android and Chromebooks. So you were fine with Samsung attacking iPhone users with their "wallhuggers" ad from 5 years ago with the Galaxy S5 were you? Even if it was true, that ad was classless and tasteless. So you're saying it's okay for Android people to attack Apple but not the other way around? You don't like that Android central is talking about Apple more and more, we'll go to another website that is more Android for you or start your own Android website.
  • "Don't be too proud of your phone...you bought it, you didn't invent it". - S*** My Father Says
  • Quote: "I do think many Android OEMs will meet the challenge from iPhone SE head-on over the coming year." None will support a mid-range phone as well as Apple, and even less will have a warranty program as good as AppleCare+. So I would never buy a comparably-priced Android mid-range over this iPhone. Never mind the fact that this iPhone is going to completely demolish any cheap Android phone in performance, especially when you look past a couple of OS updates, which always erode performance on Android phones (even the most expensive flagships). It's impossible to compete with this iPhone without Android OEMs reevaluating their business models, unless users in the area where you sell them simply prefer Android over iOS (which usually is driven by cost, but that's being eroded by Apple year-over-year).
  • One area of the Android oems will not improve on is software support for which Apple is unrivalled.
  • I assume most folks aren't trying to create a Google phone. In fact I'd argue that people are trying to wean off of Google products.
  • I own the absolute BEST $850 cell phone. A Pixel 3A and a shiny new Product RED 128GB 2020 Iphone SE. There is no $1000 + Phone I would trade these for. I had the original IPhone SE and Nexus phones. I have no idea why people on both sides complain. I love both brands , they compliment each other. No need to get the best either offers because they are overpriced tiny tablets. I still Rock a Nexus 7 4g tablet and a new Ipad.
  • Well said, you're talking way too much sense for the Android fanboys to get their heads around lol.
  • Dude... Stfu already! You don't have to respond to EVERY SINGLE FREAKING COMMENT ANYONE MAKES! Get a damn life man... *Coming from someone who uses both Android and iOS (because who gives a ****) and someone who feels sorry for you that this, of all things, is what you're so annoyingly passionate about...
  • I've used both and currently use Android and will be getting an iPhone 11, so I'm in a position to judge and Apple is simply impressing me more than Android is right now. But this article is spot on and only you Android fanboys are foaming at the mouth to attack the writer of this brilliant article.
  • HAHAHAHAHA hahahahahahaha hahaha wait... Wait.... Ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Okay okay, I'm done now... Nope... BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
  • What do you think YouTube and Gmail are Good products which most people use so your theory is out of the window because most people like using Google products and iPhone what is the best experience of Google products.
  • My God Dog, let go of the bone. Absolutely nobody cares.
  • You cared enough to comment, you Android fanboys don't like facts.
  • No... NOBODY FREAKING CARES... That "cared enough to comment" crap won't fly...
  • Nothin' but the dog in me Bow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yeah
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  • Google could care less whether you use their apps/services on an iPhone or Android phone. The only thing Google cares about is selling you stuff via ads through their search engine, etc. Hardware is immaterial to Google. Google wins if you use their aps on any device, including Windows laptops. No, Google apps are never better on an iPhone. The Android OS has advantages. The cheap SE Apple phone was needed. Apple hopes SE owners later become flagship owners... Like the auto industry, etc. The cheap SE probably is a better phone than a cheap Android one. Android fagships are superior to Apple flagships, but only fools buy full cost, current year flagship phones. We are all unique consumers with different incomes... Enjoy your phone choice.
  • Apple and Android phones are both great and to say Android phones are superior to iPhones is showing your bias towards Android which is fine, both have their strengths and weaknesses but iPhones have 3 major advantages over Android phones, the software support and optimisation and ecosystem which Android cannot compete with and apart from OnePlus, no Android phone is near Apple when it comes to long term performance for which your expensive Samsung will be performing like a mid range phone where as the iPhone will perform the same as the day you set it up.
  • Well said. I own and use both. If I get bored with one, I switch to the other.
  • Are you guys together? Sexually?
  • They all said my Pixel 3a XL would be slow as walking through treacle a year on but it's arguably performing even better under Android 10. Predicting future performance of phones is crystal ball gazing. They all, Android or iPhone, might be at a point they all run well until we replace them anyway.