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Competitors take issue with Google's licensing terms for Android

Google and Android are once again the target of an antitrust investigation by the European Commission, this time because of allegations that Google used anticompetitive tactics to expand its mobile market share. While it is only an informal probe at this point, the EC is investigating claims from Google's competitors -- such as Microsoft and Nokia -- that it licenses Android to manufacturers below cost, giving it an unfair advantage. The allegations continue, stating that Google also makes demands of its licensees that they give specific placement to Google's other apps, such as Youtube, and not allow them to use other services, which again gives it unfair advantage.

Google makes Android open-source and licenses it to manufacturers for free, and while that may seem like a way to be absolved of any wrongdoing its competitors see it as a great example of Google's anticompetitive tactics.

Because Google doesn't make money from Android directly but rather from services such as Youtube and Google Search that are used via Android, these companies claim Google is using Android as a means to expand its presence in the mobile market and drive usage on these other properties. On the surface it seems like simple differences in business plans rather than blatant anticompetitive behavior, but that's up to the EC to decide. Specifics of the probe aren't yet known, but it wouldn't be surprising to see this informal probe expand into a full investigation of the company's tactics. 

Source: Financial Times; Via: AllThingsD

 

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>"that it licenses Android to manufacturers below cost"

Exactly how much cost do they expect when it is mostly Linux, which is free? And Microsoft has no right, EVER, to EVER complain about ANYTHING "anti-competitive".

And probably most of the charge for Android is licensing s*** TO MICROSOFT due to stupid software patents that should be illegal.

While I see your point, you have to understand that Google is paying huge salaries to a large group of in-house developers to produce Android.

It is free in the sense that you can download it at no cost same as Linux. You want your own, then download it and write your own drivers and maintain it entirely by yourself.

Its not free in that it takes money to develop it. Microsoft is claiming that Google is not even recovering the cost of those developers in what they make on sales of Android. But then, Google doesn't make enough money Gmail sales to corporate users to cover the development cost either. (They make their money in other ways).

Make no mistake, this is an attack on Open Source more than it is an attack on Android.
Its an attack on giving something away and getting money from some other source. Its an attack on Google's whole way of doing business.

If Microsoft were to prevail on this issue, the next targets would be RedHat or Suse, or Ubuntu.

Nokia and Microsoft?

They see the tactics of Apple and saw opportunity. When you don't want to "compete" in the marketplace, use government force to help you out by damaging the competition instead. Apple knew their "premium" marketing strategy only works on people with lots of cash to waste, and a compelling need to try and feel superior. That doesn't work on the vast majority of people on the planet, it only works on the wealthy and insecure. They knew Android with a "value" strategy would (and has) taken over entirely in the developing world. So Jobs and company began their thermonuclear war in the courts to destroy the competition via government power.

Microsoft and Nokia simply fell flat on their faces and are doing the same desperate stuff. Its funny, Nokia could easily dump Microsoft and go Android at any moment, and save themselves. But they they would need to publicly admit, "we've made a huge mistake." So now they are attacking open source software instead.

Expect to see attacks from Microsoft against chrome, android and any manufacturers who start selling any Linux based PCs in substantial numbers next. And they will fairly soon, as people now finally realize that computers will do everything they want without windows.

I don't hate Microsoft... I respect them but dislike their products and tactics. But I keep singing in my head, "Ding dong the witch is dead..." (or at least dying).

Apple will always be around to separate fools from their money.

Apple and Microsoft are working together, on capital hill they have even combined their lobbyist to do what ever harm they can to google.

>"Microsoft has no right, EVER, to EVER complain about ANYTHING "anti-competitive"."

This. Microsoft should be officially banned from engaging in any such lawsuits, investigations, or other things of the sort.

How about the HUGE subsidies, I mean marketing promotional costs, Microsoft have paid to Nokia for Nokia to drop Symbian, Maemo/Meego and choose WinPhone?

It's reckoned to be about half a billion euros i.e. over $650M dollars!

That definitely reduces the competition by eliminating one entire platform. If that's not anti-competitive, I don't know what is?!

Android is not anti competitive.
Android phones on Verizon had Bing as the default search engine and THE PEOPLE cried out in rage. People choose Google Services because they like Google. Microsoft is mad because people don't like them.

As a person that likes Google, if you try to hurt or go after my friends or the things I like, give your heart to Good and your A$$ to me.

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Aight. It isn't as if anyone could simply make up their own Appstore using Android and make it available to install in any Android device, and sell a device that comes with this Appstore pre-installed on a 7 or 8.9 inch device and call it Kindle Fire.
Wait! didn't Amazon did exactly that by using Android?
Is it that Microsoft's 30% investment in Nooks didn't pay off?
Is it that Nokia's ditching of Android didn't pay up with Microsoft?
Is Microsoft mad that they got beaten at their own game?
Is Nokia pissed they are simply didn't take advantage of the obvious choice?
Is EU commission guys even serious?
Is competition now the way to be anti-competitive?
Wasn't Internet Explorer given away for free and then Netscape Navigator had to go bye bye? Oh well this happened before the EU even existed.
Should everything that's free really be investigated? God forbid that free software link you to more free services
Is giving away free pens for commercial purposes going to be banned too in the EU?

Android is not anti-competitive... But Google services could be argued as anti-competitive. i.e. "You want play store access, you have to pre-load, YouTube, Gmail, Maps, etc." I think it really comes down to the "what Google requires".

That's the thing though: if Google tied Gapps and Android together where Android wouldn't be viable without it then they would have a case. Google didn't though, and Amazon, B&N, etc. have proved that you can indeed develop your own viable Android products without Gapps.

To compare this with Microsoft and the IE debacle (and even Word/Office before that if you can remember back then), Microsoft wouldn't allow you to license one without the other. Giving away Word to customers for free wouldn't have been a problem if Microsoft wasn't telling OEMs that they couldn't license Windows without agreeing to include the software. Preinstalling IE wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't made it so it couldn't be separated from the OS, so it appeared to run better and load faster simply because it really was always running, and had access to system resources that other browsers like Navigator did not.

Google essentially has created two products: Android, and a software stack (Gapps) that runs on top of it. If you want their extra stuff, you have to play by their rules, otherwise you can do what you want and Google won't stop you. That's called avoiding creation of a barrier to entry. This keeps them on the right side of the Sherman Act here in the states, but it remains to be seen what the EU's agenda is.

I didn't knew I was forced to use YouTube. But hey, if something else is better out there, just tell me, I'll download it BY MY OWN WILL. But again, we can't blame people to use Google or Android products because they are good?

Next week: McDonald's is anticompetitve. They now have to force an apple is our mouth as soon as we enter the place.

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This should be interesting.  Watching the competition scramble to stop Android any way they can, since they can't do it by giving customers what they want (at least, that's my partial take on it).

This case is mostly bogus because it's licensees only license the Google Apps. The Android-based Kindle and Nook devices have proven that they can succeed without first party support from Google. Is part of licensing Google Apps placing them prominently? I wouldn't doubt it. But OEMs are not required to provide them by any means.

I don't see how it matters if Google licenses their OS for free, because it's not free for the consumer. The consumer still pays hundreds of dollars for it, and the most important part is that they CHOOSE to do it.

Should've used some euros instead of dollars in the pic...considering it's in the EU and all. Would've jived a bit better with the subject. I digress.

Can't the EU look at the highly anticompetitive (due to cutting out many used games stores, and trading on places like eBay) Xbox One instead?

Typical EU bullshit. They must think their citizens are all stupid. Same thing with the browser issue and Microsoft. They were fined because they only delivered their OS with their own browser, MS Explorer, and didn't include Firefox or Opera etc. I guess, if people can't simply download them from the Internet they are stupid after all! But that's surely not MS's or Googles fault!

It wasn't a matter of whether people could download another browser. If I recall from the 1990's anti-trust case, Microsoft actually made Internet Explorer browser non-removable in the OS, and they restricted system resources from other browsers to cripple them. MS deserved the bad press and lawsuits from that.
This is not the case with stock "Nexus" Android as you can actually remove the Google apps if you choose (why one would want to is beyond me).

This is just a slander campaign. One more reason I will pass on WP8 and Nokia. Microsoft needs to focus on good products. Nokia should ditch the exclusivity and open up to other OS choices (Android OS would sell your hardware.. -just saying).

And they promoted incompatibility with all their development tools to create web sites and applications that would not work with any other browser other than IE. And since IE also only runs on MS-Windows, it means being locked into not only a single browser but a single OS. THAT was the worst offense of all and it STILL causes major problems for people (make no mistake- in vertical markets and industry-specific services, there is still MAJOR IE lockin; I am looking for services now and 5 out of 6 companies *REQUIRE* IE and will not support anything else).

Does anyone know how the Windows Phone licensing is contracted? There's absolutely nothing anti-competitive about giving away Android for free. Even if they request their apps be featured prominently, if you look at the Android landscape, Google certainly isn't demanding that they are. Samsung/HTC/LG/Asus all have added apps that are similar to apps that Google offers (i.e. Samsung Media in place of Google Music).

It would be nice if Microsoft would stop being such fucking crybabies. Also, it would be nice if Nokia grew a pair of balls and started to push out high quality Android phones that I'd love to get my paws on.

It is called getting Revenge!! Google had no business reporting Microsoft for Windows 7 SP1 including Internet explorer in EU which led to a huge fine, they are just paying back the favour :)

It led to a fine because they violated law blatantly. Google wasn't the only one to point it out. Microsoft knew but didn't care.

Google was the one who reported it first, just like Microsoft is reporting this first and others will join too as time passes. Google is also blatantly violating anti-trust laws, so they will be fined heavily for this and made to change their business model of dumping the software for free by subsidizing from Ad dollars and in-effect wiping out the competition in the industry.

Even if Google is heavily fined, it doesn't change the fact that Windows Phone f**kin sucks (at the moment). If Android is eliminated from the market, many of it's users will go to Apple, because it is the only other operating system that has an extensive apps library.

We get it: every user - over at Windows Phone Central - hates Google. Personally, I think this is a lousy way to combat competition. If you can't beat them, either sue them, or file complaints against them. Windows Phone can't compete, get over it.

Windows phone fucking rocks!! Best UI, No Lags, great ecosystem and apps are coming every day if you follow wpcentral you can verify this.The apps problem will be solved soon and windows phone has already overtaken ios in many markets and the marketshare is increasing quarter after quarter.

We get it: Every user at AC hates Microsoft as they get $10-$15 from each of you fandroids even if you hate them to the core, MS can fund windows phone for a decade if need be without investing any money from their pocket as Android will fund it :)

Now, Regarding this case: This is the perfect way to combat competition as Google is dumping the laggy Android below-cost to destroy competition in the market and they are no strangers to Anti-trust complaints as they were the one who complained against Microsoft in EU for Internet Explorer bundling with Windows 7 SP1. So, As you sow so shall you reap!!

>"Windows phone fucking rocks!! Best UI, No Lags, great ecosystem, and apps are coming every day "

OMG barf. You are are accusing us of being fanbois? Get real.

Let me fix that for you:

"Windows phone F'ing sucks!! Stupid UI with idiotic and annoying animated tiles, sub-standard maps/search/etc, limited ecosystem, and hardly any apps compared to Android or iOS and with the bonus of coming from a company with a long track record of ignoring what customers want and creating proprietary lock-in."

When you can't argue on topic- attack is the way of fandroids, just read the comment to which i replied.

BTW, The Laggy Android with its malware infested app store sucks, its a spyware OS with a copied UI.

And, its hilarious to listen app talk from a Linux user, LOL go and open your command line to update that driver!!

Just a piece of advice... Lay off the crack. That stuff will mess you up even more than you already are.

No command lines (correction: terminal this just showed everyone how stupid you are) needed here on Linux mint or Ubuntu and many other distros for something that simple. We have a nice update manager for that. Also its easier to find apps on Linux than windows because of the synaptic package manager. I could even run many windows programs if I chose to without ever having to run a single command. It seems that your knowledge is very limited. You shouldn't talk very much, that way no one will know how stupid you truly are.

Same shit, why should i care whether its command line or terminal, Linux tools like you have to deal with it and that is why it will always remain non-existent for normal folks.

You have obviously never used a modern Linux and continue to post nonsense. There are very, very few (if any) times a Linux user is forced to use a command line. And yet the Linux/Unix command line (shell) is a fantastic and powerful part of the OS. If the user doesn't want to learn it, then use the GUI tools that have been in just about every modern distro for many, many years.

*Not only have I never seen Android malware on my devices, ever but never on ANYONE's devices, ever. Complete fabrication there. The only real issue on Android is from people sideloading cracked junk... and such people pretty much deserve it.

*Have no lag on any of my Android devices.

*Copied UI? You are just too much. Android's UI is not a "copy". And the *parts* that were take from somewhere else (like swipe and pinch) came from iOS not that hopeless MS-Windows phone stuff. And yet iOS copied parts from Android too. Get over it.

*Android is no more spyware than MS-Windows Phone or iOS. Do I like that aspect of the current mobile OSes? No... but that is a different issue and one they ALL share now.

*Linux includes "drivers" in the kernel, there is no need to "update that driver". And the user interface can be command line or a through nice GUIs. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

*Not seen on my device means nothing. I don't have cancer, doesn't mean that nobody has cancer. Android is proven to have malware and that too in the play store.

* Galaxy S4 even with its Octa-core SOC lags, Nexus 7 with pure Android Lags. But a Fandroid will never accept the Lag issue but he goes mental whenever he sees the word "LAG"

*Android was meant to be a Blackberry copy but later they saw the iphone and copied its UI, everyone and his grandmother knows that.

*Android is a spyware, the apps steal everything, every bit of innocent user's info, this is well known fact among Android-community.

* Linux is an unintuitive mess with no programs and games and will never be used by normal users.

* I didn't say ON MY DEVICE. I said on my device*S*, or ANYONE's devices, ever. And I have used and helped people with dozens and dozens and dozens of Android devices.

* I am a computer professional and with a degree in CS/UI and Ergonomics. I know what lag is... and there is none on any of my 2012/2013 Android devices. You can continue to think what you like, that doesn't change anything.

* You are contradicting yourself with "copying". The point is that it doesn't matter. It doesn't make MS-Phone any better.

* Sorry, buy Android apps don't "steal" any more info than iOS apps. The difference is that Android TELLS YOU WHAT THE APPS will do and give you SOME control, where you get none with iOS (and not much with MS-Phone).

* My 66 year old non-techno mother uses Linux. She has no problem figuring out how to use it. Perhaps it is just you.... Oh, and as for games, aside from the hundreds of free casual games that you can install with a single click in the package GUI, have you heard of "Humble Bundle" or "Steam"?

my galaxy s4 lags I tried android and it sucks way to many things to do to do one thing iOS is the best written on my galaxy 4 with stupid Google key board that is the same as every other one by fandriods will tell you how much better it is swipe is stupid by the way

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by the way I can get my phone not to lag but I have to shut off all the features that's what I get from switching os what a joke

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Unfortunately you and millions others are actually running Samsung's TouchWiz OS based off Android source. This is not actually Google's OS but Samsung's. Bitch at Samsung for lagginess, because Google cannot fix TouchWiz. Turn your updates back on, as the latest Samsung TouchWiz updates are addressing certain issues like lag (of course your carrier will sit on that and every update till they assure their bloat apps are not broken).

In almost every regard, Nexus devices bring a better experience. IMHO :)

I use windows phone regularly, but my main os of choice is android. Windows phone doesn't lag, but neither does my optimus g. If windows phone gave me as much power as android does (or as windows mobile used to) I would happily use it. But the fact of the matter is that windows phone isn't nearly as powerful as android. Even if android didn't have as many apps as windows phone it would still be better because of the power it gives to its users. Consider this, which of the two operating systems are closer to a desktop os? If you honestly answer that then I'm sure you can see why it takes more power to push android. When browsing the internet, which os's browser supports more internet standards? Which os doesn't need another os to complete certain tasks effortlessly? I use windows phone because I'm kind of the go to guy when it comes to simple little tech questions in the family so I'm very aware of the many limitations of the os that was done deliberately because Microsoft wants to keep its users limited. You mentioning an uneducated statement that we all hate Microsoft which is completely baseless. Look at the nexus and xperia z and optimus g and so forth and you will notice no lag. Pay attention, the hardware in phones are now able to push android quiet well. Windows phone doesn't lag because it doesn't do much, android currently is the most powerful mobile os out there.

It's a lot easier to have 'no lag' when there are no apps available to put on your phone (unless you're the GS4).

Microsoft should spend less time trying to pick a fight with Google and more time improving their OS... And bring back my friggin Start button!

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Only a MS/WP troll would say something silly like this with such certainly. I bet you all the internetz you are dead wrong.

You WP trolls are a dying breed...you won't be missed.

I cant believe they are undercharging $0.00 down to $0.00 for OPEN source software... what is Google doing!!?? Must be an noncompetitive tactic

Yes Google must be fine, they MUST charge for their FREE OS; this giving away stuff for free, like they are the redcross must cease!!, next thing you know, they will be giving away free internet service for the poor!!..rotten DOGS! :)

Google will be fined heavily for this and made to change their Android business model, Microsoft was under anti-trust watch for a decade due to their high marketshare. Apple can do anything as they never have majority marketshare in PC or mobile business.

"Apple can do anything as they never have majority marketshare in PC or mobile business"?? I'll give you the PC business, though as a former Best Buy computer specialist, I saw many converts to Mac due to many issues (mainly security) on the Windows side. But up until the last year or so, Apple WAS the majority market share for mobile. You, sir, need to get your facts straight before you decide to open your mouth. As for your other comments about Windows Phone vs. Android, again, open up your view of the world and you'll learn a thing or two.

" Apple WAS the majority market share for mobile"

In your dreams, Apple was never the majority marketshare in worldwide mobile market or even the big European and Asian market. It had that kind of marketshare only in one country -USA.

It was worldwide you fool. Say it three time...world wide. It is still the market share leader in the USA. PS...that one country...the USA is a much bigger market than "big Europe" lol.

You asshole ios was never leader in worldwide market, it was symbian and then android. LOL at comparing the entire world with USA.

Microsoft and Nokia just have to accept that they have epic failed! Google rocks. I have a n4 and n7 and I did not have to break the bank to get them. Windows phones are poor and what have Nokia do lately? Windows on a phone is awful. Android is just so customiseable its the best is out their.

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I thought it was the other way round. I mean, if Android phones manufacturers wanted Google Apps and services and access to the Play Store, they had to make sure they didn't fork Android. In which case, I don't see how Google can be considered anticompetitive.

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"Google makes Android open-source and licenses it to manufacturers for free"

Google is now a Master PIMP

If Google can just stall long enough, there won't be any more European Commission to bother them.

I'll try to keep this simple. There are obviously folks who are posting knee-jerk reactions.

Google spends considerable money in terms of developer costs on android. If you think that it's " free" because there's Linux in the core, you've obviously never played with the code.

The point is this: Google gives away their expensive work for essentially free. A bazillion developers working on Android is not cheap. Maps. The map data. etc. all free.

In exchange for the ad spam engine in your pocket.

It's it wrong? I don't think so. it's disruptive.

But this is the EU. The EU treats the technology sector as its personal ATM. I guess Microsoft ran dry for them after caving on the browser and media player front ( apparently Europeans cannot download browsers or media players without their nanny state helping them out).

So welcome to the club, Google. You're all grown up. Bend over for your new EU masters.

I rarely, if ever, see an ad on my Android device. Of course, I am rooted with an ad blocker installed :)

Ads on Android? Since when lol. Oh wait I'm rooted. Nvm

Have you seen how intrusive the ads are on iOS. Don't ever call Android an ad spam engine.

Firefox is free as well. So is IE, Opera, Chrome... Giving away software isn't anticompetitive.
Blocking out others is anticompetitive. Android does not do this.
Not letting users choose what they want to use is anticompetitive.
Android does not do this (though Apple sure does).
The smartphone market is a healthy one, with a myriad of choices. MS is just bitter because no one is choosing their immature ecosystem and goofy looking UI.

Aight. Look at Xbox. You can't even use YouTube without paying Microsoft a cut.
You don't see iTunes in the Xbox either, you see Zune, you see IE not Firefox, normally you even get Halo free too with the Xbox purchase.
Android let's you disable apps, Do you have that in WP8?

how come I can't access icloud .com on a android phone if they don't block nothing???????

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Android is not anticompetitive. Microsoft, Nokia, et al. just don't want to change the way they do business to compete. Google makes money a different way than they do, and the only company that appears to have any inkling on how to compete is Amazon (who has a variation of the same strategy). Microsoft doesn't really want to have to make money off of Bing, Bing Maps, Skype, and other services. They want to make money the same old way they always have: bundle those things into Windows and make you pay to license it. Google, on the other hand, is the opposite: they could care less about making money from the licensing. They want to make money from the services.

The problem with this for the old guard is that, since their money-making focus has always been on the licensing, the focus has always been on making a better "bundle" if you will. On integrating things as tightly as possible to the OS so that maximum people are FORCED to use it (the "bundle"). Google, on the other hand, focuses on making better services so that maximum people use them. People then WANT Android, Chrome, Chrome OS, Google+, due to it being easier to access all of their services in an integrated environment. Google is NOT dependant on that though, since the individual services are what matter most. If they can make money from those services using a competitors platform they are all for it. That's a battle the old guard just can't win.

Android, by it's open source and open API nature is a threat to the old guard's entire way of doing business. Microsoft, Apple, Nokia, etc. will do everything in their power to bury it....Jobs was NOT kidding....because if they don't they will no longer be able to charge the insane margins that they do, but instead have to make money in other ways...ways that Google is already the master of. MTCW

Google is master in dumping services and software below-cost in the market by funding from their Ad-Dollars and thus wiping out the competition in the industry, if Google search is banned for just 1 year then the entire company will be bankrupt within 1 year as everything is funded by the Ad-dollars and the rest of services are just dumped at below-cost.

1. If Google search was banned for a year we'd all be screwed. What would we use then, Bing? Yeesh.

2. The folks at Google are pretty darn smart. And flexible. Even if Google search was somehow banned for a year, they'd still find ways to stay afloat because they "get" the modern technology market and that selling an operating system for $100+ is insane.

Yes, Bing, a much better alternative than the Google's paid search results specially shopping results. they have been found guilty of this by EU anti-trust on search engine case.

What exactly were they found guilty of? Since there was no court case, that's kind of hard to have happened. There have been no fines. What the EU commission did say that it had areas of concern with regards to competition that it would like addressed. Currently there are negotiations between the commission and Google on how to make that happen.

There is a definite difference in philosophy between the US and the EU with regards to anti-competitive behavior. In the US as long as you aren't doing something that explicitly inhibits competition, then you're OK. If you're the dominant player in the EU, you have a responsibility to show other choices.

Uau, what a shame! Shouldn't they be worried about their own products? Of course Android is bellow cost - it's open source, everybody obviously knows. This is a dirty move against opened softwares...and a waste of time!

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Microsoft has become the most anti-consumer company, see Xbox One for evidence. Such a shame... I guess when you can no longer innovate, you sue.

Learn to read, nobody is suing anyone!! Its Anti-trust case and EU will investigate it, if Below-cost dumping behaviour is proved then Google will be fined heavily and made to change their business model.

Yeah? What are they gonna do? Make Google charge for Android? Even if they did, which would be asinine, you STILL wouldn't see people use Windows Mobile because its a terrible OS. All you'd do is cut into the bottom line of the OEMs and cost consumers more money.
Crawl back under your bridge fool.

Nope you fool, everyone will dump Android like a big lump of shit. All Android OEM's are paying Microsoft $10-$15 per device, add some more licensing and OEM's will dump this without batting an eyelid as they will prefer an OS which is without litigation and OS provider which provides immunity to all the licensee.

You just finished posting this an hour ago: "When you can't argue on topic- attack is the way of fandroids"

And your response to him is to call him a "fool" because you don't agree with what he said and then call Android a "big lump of shit" in the same sentence.

You are not only an immature hypocrite but a spreader of inaccurate information and FUD. You need to go crawl back under the rock you came from because the more you post, the more crazy and desperate you sound.

Read his comment, he called me a fool, You speak as if you are a saint, you are a staunch MS hater as evident from your posts, your avatar itself destroys any credibility in your posts.

So if he name calls, your doing it is OK?

I don't like MS, and I am not trying to hide that at all. So what? I am not going onto MS-related sites and trolling people. YOU are the Android hater who is trolling on an Android related site. So who is less the saint?

And my avatar shows I am a Linux user, it doesn't destroy any credibility in anything I am saying. You just don't like it, that's all.

I make use of the mobile nations passport facility and have every right to post here, you may not like my posts as they are critical of Google and its Android OS but you can't do anything about it and have to deal with it, that's all.

Nobody said you don't have a right to post here. We are calling you a "troll", which you are. Look up the word. Few of us have a problem with *valid* criticism of Android (or Google). Almost all of your criticisms are wrong/inaccurate/lies. That is why you are getting the negative reaction.

I don't always agree with you crxssi, but I respect your opinion because I can tell you are intelligent. Please don't waste any of that intelligence on Etios. He didn't come over here to press valid points for WinMO, he just came here to feed his fragile self-esteem.

Samsung, the largest maker of Android devices, was sued by Apple and LOST last year. Have they changed to another OS? Nope, they still consider Android for the majority of their business.

None of the OEMs would dump Android. If they did, their sales would drop. Users want Android. They don't want BB, or Windows Mobile. Personally, I'd go to iOS before I went to either of those crappy platforms, especially after the release of the god awful Windows 8.

None of the OEMs would dump Android. If they did, their sales would drop. Users want Android. They don't want BB, or Windows Mobile. Personally, I'd go to iOS before I went to either of those crappy platforms, especially after the release of the god awful Windows 8.

MS is free to give away their POS OS that no one wants. Users don't want it, OEM's don't want it and the only one really buying it is Nokia which is being paid $5 Billion Dollars to use the POS from MS.

Too bad MS no one wants to hang out with you, and no one wants to ride with you. GTFO and go home already.

Isn't anticompetitive behavior, competitive behavior? sounds to me like google's business model is just too much pwnage. They're going to get nerfed like microsoft did. :-(

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In a related story, Apple is suing Microsoft and Nokia for using their patented method of litigating instead of innovating. judge Lucy Koh is expected to rule later this summer.

What's keeping somebody from installing a Bing or Outlook app on their Android phone? Oh yeah....nothing.

What was keeping somebody from installing chrome,firefox on windows xp, windows 7? Oh yeah... nothing BUT EU fined Microsoft billions and made them to change their Internet explorer bundling practise.

That is a gratuitous oversimplification of what happened to Microsoft, they had a dominant OS and they made the browser integrated with the file explorer so it was always running. They also prevented other browsers from fully exploiting the computers power by making certain API's private, which made other browsers slower. So not only was the load time longer on other browsers but they were slower due to the API restrictions.

If Microsoft had just made for an even playing field they would have been fine. Android makes no restrictions on rendering engines or API's that it runs, and doesn't force Chrome or the stock browser on anybody, plenty of alternative browsers in the play store or whatever alternative market people have installed.

This is a non-issue that will quickly blow over. Microsoft is just doing it's best to try and claw back into the mobile market as best it can, whether it's lawsuits or anti-trust investigations.

According to me Google will be fined Billions and made to change their business model as Dumping below-cost software and services destroys the industries. Also, Let's wait for the Anti-trust authorities to finish the investigation, why should anyone trust biased fandroid's opinion on a fansite.

Sorry, but you are not understanding history at all. MS actively worked to destroy all browser competition in many effective ways. Google has done no such thing.

MS bundled their browser and prevented its removal and then they promoted incompatibility with all their development tools to create web sites and applications that would not work with any other browser other than IE. And since IE also only runs on MS-Windows, it means being locked into not only a single browser but a single OS. THAT was the worst offense of all and it STILL causes major problems for people (make no mistake- in vertical markets and industry-specific services, there is still MAJOR IE lockin; I am looking for services now and 5 out of 6 companies *REQUIRE* IE and will not support anything else). Google has never done that with their browser, nor their other apps nor with Android itself.

Google is doing exactly the same and in some cases even worse, the only reason they have fanboys is that fanboys love free stuff, will do anything to get the free stuff!!

Actually, Google doesn't do any of that.
Why are you an MS fanboi? Is it because you're on their payroll?

Did Google hire you to write these stupid comments? hope they pay you atleast the minimum wage!!

Same goes to you Mr crxssi Scroogle, hope you are just a fanboy of free and inferior stuff and are not paid for defending this Anti-competitive crap.

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Etios thinks WP is the best, nothing will change that delusion. It does have some positive points and I have to say that the lumia (spelled it wrong but it is late here) is a decent phone.

The thing is that Android phones are superior in many more aspects, hence the market share differential. Android gives the people what they want/need right now. WP just doesnt. Maybe 5 years down the road we will see a total flip flop on that. It took, what, 3-4 years for Android to overtake iOS?

This whole thing is a non-event. Very little if anything will come of it. I highly doubt that it will actually go to a full investigation.

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You don't have to buy any android products to have a decent smart phone experience. Not at all like the Microsoft case where it was difficult to get by without Microsoft's software present on your machine.

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What are the odds Microsoft are behind this?

I wonder if the U.S Govt still requires clearance to use American currency in photos. I remember it was considered a reproduction. I believe Hollywood uses fake money for that reason.

Technically replication of the currency's ID code is still prohibited.. That picture shows the currency's ID.

-good catch

This should fail because Google isnt forcing anyone to use Gapps. You are free to use Android as you see fit, as many non Gapp devices do. Amazon do well enough without it.

The COULD be a case against Gapps licensing, but its very weak. No OEM without its own ecosystem is going to leave Gaps out, it would be suicide, even Samsung, so the net effect of this is that nothing will happen. OEM will continue to bundle all the apps, any that are missing users will just install themselves anyway, and the world will go on.

It's called BUSINESS...

Suck it up Microsoft and Nokia, you are both sore losers. If you weren't so busy spending the last decade hi-fiving each other over the success you had way back in the 90s and early 2000s, you would've had time to notice and adapt to the changes occurring, when you also both each had a bigger pool of money and brand power than Google to throw at it all.
You did nothing and now you are both paying the price. When it comes to mobile, they are two beaten companies in one trench, how cute.

If Microsoft were clever enough they would have got into mobile bigger and sooner and Nokia has itself to blame for dropping the ball. If these two had got it right, they'd both be doing the same thing Google is doing.
Crybabies.

So let me get this straight, its ok for Microsoft to GIVE money to nokia and verizon to house their crappy software, but when software is being given away for free they have issues? Last I checked I wouldn't use WP8 over their competition even if they paid me.

So, Because Google is the "smartest one of all" they get investigated. What a bunch of cry babies.....

Instead of whining & complaining about Googles smart business practices, these companies just make apps that people want to use that steer $$ towards them & put them in Google Play. Is that so hard??

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I am not trying to bash Apple, just simply making a point that I never really see get made. I am not a Google fan boy, I just really enjoy Google products. I have used iOS many times. As close as 3 months ago and I still have an iPhone 4s I used as an iPod once in a while.

What I find anti-competitive is not Google or Android, but it is Apple and iOS. The weirdest part of all, there never has been any article recently that even talks about their anti-competitive behavior.

Google/Android gives you choice as well as with the OEMs. They want to use Android with GAPPS, no problem. Amazon took Android and forked it to its own OS. For the consumer, You want to install the Amazon Store, no problem, you want yet another 3rd party app store, no problem. You don't want to buy from Google Play books but perhaps you want to buy from Amazon (right from your mobile device) no problem.

Getting to iOS, try to buy from Amazon Kindle, Nook, or whatever 3rd party app and try to purchase a book that is not "Apple sanctioned" right from the Amazon Kindle app. Guess what? You cannot buy anything that is not owned by Apple. Apple does not want you to buy from their iOS device anything that is not from their eco-system. In fact, they prohibit for any application on their "app store" to have any services you can purchase exception of games and in games from the "App Store." You cannot buy from the Amazon Kindle app or whatever other service because simply Apple does not allow it. It is against their TOS. Any developer tries to add a purchase service on their app on the "App Store" they get immediately pulled from the store. Then they will either say, it is too close to our services, or something along those lines.

All this talk about anti-competition yet no one puts Apple with their iOS through the ringer claiming anti-competitive behavior. Tell me why no one dares to investigate that? Why should Apple be allowed to behave this way and they do not get penalized not even looked at? Sure, you can probably go through mobile safari and buy whatever you want there, but that is not the point. Why are they not allowing users to purchase through an app whatever they want? They are intentionally crippling the experience of choice making it harder for their users to they can just say, "Screw, it I'll just purchase it on the App Store, iTunes" rather than letting them buy from a competitor directly from an application.

Again, I'm not trying to bash Apple. I am definitely not looking to start a flame war either, just trying to make a very obvious point. While I do not like some of Apple's business practices, I still buy some of their products such as the MacBook Pro and the Mac Mini. I definitely do not like the fact that they have such an anti-competitive grip on their iOS platform. Yet no one challenges them or says anything. I find that a little odd. Just saying ...