Qualcomm is moving back to custom CPU cores — called Kyro — in the Snapdragon 820, with a new report out of South Korea stating that the 64-bit cores will be clocked at 3.0GHz.
Samsung is said to manufacture the SoC, which Qualcomm revealed during the unveil of the Snapdragon 820 would be built on a "leading-edge FinFET process." Samsung switched to a 14nm FinFET manufacturing process this year with the latest-generation Exynos SoC, which is used in the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 edge.
This isn't the first time we're hearing about Samsung being a possible manufacturer for the Snapdragon 820. In April, a report out of Re/code — citing anonymous sources — suggested that Qualcomm was looking to shift production to Samsung from Taiwan's TSMC in a bid to regain the South Korean manufacturer as a client.
The Korean report states that HTC, Sony, and Xiaomi will be the first manufacturers to test the Snapdragon 820. The shift to a 14nm process would give Qualcomm the ability to design a more energy-efficient SoC, an issue that has plagued the chip vendor this year.
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Snapdragon 820 may feature 3.0GHz Kyro CPU cores manufactured at Samsung
I'd like to see the rumored 5.2" LG Nexus 2015 with the SD820
Samsung is the clear winner in all of this. Either Qualcomm starts paying Samsung to manufacturer their chips or Samsung continues to manufacturer its on alternative. Either way Samsung walks away with it. At this point does Qualcomm even have a choice?
I don't know. This doesn't sound good for a high ipc design. High ipc designs generally use more power and clocking this chip at 3.0ghz points to them going back to the krait style chip lower ipc but using clock speed to overcome that.
HTC Aero.
Sounds good. Can't wait to hear more details on the chip.
I want it in the '15 Nexus 5! Well, basically just not that 810 plz.
that's right!
that's right!
Can anyone say galaxy note 5???????
Samsung will probably stick with their exynos.
Seems so weird to have a competitor manufacture your stuff. I know they can't copy the design but if they know the design inside and out it seems like they could use the concepts to further their own products.
I've always wondered the same thing... also how samsung can see all of the Apple chip screens too.
Samsungs Fab division and the Mobile division are "isolated". They are treated as separate companies as a way to comfort competitors that are using the Fab business for their devices. Could an argument be made that someone is unofficially peeking at specs, of course, but officially they are separate companies.
Let's all hope the Nexus 5 2015 is the first phone to be rocking 820 Kyro too!
Better than the 809 and 810.
Truth be told those are disappointing
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Well if you can't beat'em, join'em
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Same goes for Apple. Samsung designed their chips just like they're doing Qualcomm.. Oh wait. Manufacture is the word I'm looking for.
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Samsung does not design apple chips. Apple designs their own chips tsmc manufactures the bulk of the a8 chips. Samsung will most likely manufacture the bulk of the A9 but that's it. They have no rights to use any portion of it.
Yeah that's what I was eluding to. You have some people who would read the title and think that Samsung is designing the processors instead of just manufacturing. "Zomg ur iPhone has a Samsung processor in it..." or something like that.
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It's my understanding that apple will be sticking with TSMC due to Samsung s low yields on 14 nm. Apparently no performance difference between Samsung s 14 nm process and TSMC 16 nm. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I haven't been following it too closely but I've heard the opposite. That tsmc is having yield issues with their 16nm finfet process. I've also heard tsmc was going to license samsungs process. Really who knows I'm neither an industry insider not do I work for either company so I could be completely off the mark.
What will it be? A 3.0 Ghz quadcore alone or 3.0Ghz quadcore + another lower clocked quadcore? Hope Note 5 will have it or another beast Exynos
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Its 8 full sized cores from what was leaked a while ago. So you will have a 8 big core set up at 3.0ghz which is crazy and I don't know how they plan on keeping the chipset cool even on 14nm
There's absolutely no way of knowing without microarchitecture details. Eight cores doesn't really mean much. You know for sure that it will be hotter than four kryo cores, but you have no idea how hot they are relative to the market.
While this particular scenario definitely won't happen, its possible that with their custom architecture, they could exceed the performance of an A72 in the thermal package of an A53. It's just entirely dependent on what's inside.
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Well according to this leaked roadmap the cores are all the same for the SD820 and the SD815 will be a big little
http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Qualcomm-roadmap.jpg
6 core - 2 higher clocked & 4 lower clocked ...
Android will still lag on this...
My LG G4 and custom HTC One M7 beg to differ.
I also have the HTC One M7 running a custom 5.1 rom, it's the best it's been so far !!
Same here. After replacing Sense with stock Android 5.1.1, it feels quicker.
I mean, with Sense, it was already really fast, but on stock Android, it's about as fast as my G4.
Then again, I didn't install as many apps on it.
The G4 does lag though, fact
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Mine doesn't.
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Did Rene and iMore send you here? I
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Lag is the wrong word. I don't think anything lags really. Stutter is the appropriate word. I've not seen a phone yet that doesn't stutter occasionally, The iPhone even stutters sometimes. I doubt we'll ever see a completely smooth OS on any phone.
Stutter you mean and that happens. The G6 does it and so does every major phone some more than others.
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Maybe this will bring the dragon back to life once again. My SD805 is leaps ahead of the SD810/808 in my experience after using them. I hope the Nexus has the SD820 or 815
Battery is my biggest complaint these days. With the bigger screens and high resolution something needs to be done. My G3 is a power sucking monster.
I've thought about going back to my note 2 with its 720p screen and exynos processor, it was always good on battery.
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I had the same experience. My Note 2 would last 1.5 days, but I my G3 was finished after 12 hours.
The g3 was underpowered to start with. Nice phone but never could have gotten the job done.
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I felt the 801 wasn't ideal for the 1440p screen. It was fast but not as fast as it could be.
IMO, the G3 Cat. 6 with the Snapdragon 805 is the perfect G3.
Yeah that would have been nice. I got a buddy with the note 4 and he loves it. But I got this G3 for $1 on upgrade at best buy vs his note was like $300 down.
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3 GHz? I think Qualcomm is making a monster here.
And given it's their own custom design (and not using reference ARM chips like the 808 and 810), it shouldn't overheat, and given it may be manufactured using Samsung's 14nm FinFET, it should be more efficient than both.
I'm excited to see how the next batch of devices will perform.
Annnnd you will notice it about as much as a QHD display from a HD display on a 5" phone.
In terms of overall usability, especially efficiency.
Real-world performance differences will be miniscule, but I'd like to see how they differ.
Some users will notice it more than others. I know I'd notice it, coming from a Note3. I'd just like to be able to launch and task switch between large apps and games much faster than I can currently.
Nice!!!!!!!
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Or probably this will change the entire mob industry and bring a true pocket pc.. 3 ghz clock ohhh man!
The 820 will be make or break for qualcomm. Samsung has already slayed the Snapdragon with Intel and Mediatek not far behind. Things change fast in the tech world. Qualcomm went from a near monopoly to having serious competition with one bad release.
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Agreed. Maybe Qualcomm's snafu will make them step up their game beyond our expectations.
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I think they will be just fine.
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+10
Still using the Sprint GSIII on FreedomPop Unlimited for $19.99
Absolutely. If the 820 has heating issues it's over. But I'm sure Qualcomm is going to take care of business this time around cause 2015 has not been their year to say the least.
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Maybe if manufacturers focused more on cooling than on how thin their phones are they wouldn't overheat.
It's not just the size, it's more the material used. People seem to want an aluminum phone but it's terrible at dissipating heat
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But better than plastic at heat dissipation. :)
Metal phone = massive heatsink. What you talkin' bout' boy!?!
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i guess that's why EVERY plastic phone has had less heat problems than EVERY aluminum phone. brilliant einstein! metal phones have had massive problems with heat, that the plastic phones NEVER had. because the plastic doesn't heat up like the metal does. the biggest factor of a heat sink is the topography; surface area. plastic did a lot of jobs better than aluminum ever will. it is better with heat, it is better with costs, it is better with wear and tear and easier to replace. it also allows easy changing of batteries and sd cards, where the metal phones are extremely limiting. so it seems you don't know what "you talkin' bout' boy!"
You really are off base with metal vs plastic. Plastic is more insulating then metal is. You feel the heat on metal because it transfers it out so well. Plastic shield you from feeling how hot it is. You are just completely off base here. Aluminum has a Thermal Conductivity of 205w/(m K). Polycarbonate for has a Thermal Conductivity of 0.19w/(m K).
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
Don't spend a lot of time with her, she got kicked off of Kickstarter for trying to hock Special Plastic Heatsinks.
Quote from Archive.com: "Technological breakthrough over the many centuries fools thought metal was a better conductor of heat (light and odor too). New plastic design available both in spoon and fork shape." .
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[quote]i guess that's why EVERY plastic phone has had less heat problems than EVERY aluminum phone.[/quote]
I would like to see your data on that.
Also correlation ≠ causation. Every "boy" who knows "what they're talkin' bout" knows that.
Also, read up about how and why heatsinks work.
Aluminum is supposed to be the best metal at heat transfer? All my computer heatsinks have copper heat pipes and aluminum fins.
Thanks! : Copper gathers, aluminum dissipates. I suppose that, given this application, it's unpleasant and disconcerting that aluminum dissipates. Maybe it's doing users a favor, though--hopefully while not burning their fingers. Plastic absorbs (insulates). .
One may wonder what's happening internally--whether batts might explode otherwise, even. Of course, heat dissipation must be considered in design. (Designers actually believed that excessive heat may go unnoticed by sophisticated users? Maybe they had to invoke metal, somehow--the most likely and cheapest compromise metal is aluminum.)
Materials science often is an overlooked field--one keenly ripe for innovation, revolution, even: It's not solely chipsets which matter. Humm--Gore Tex?: Maybe it might prove sufficiently waterproof and protective, yet it may let heat escape--not so unpleasantly, either. Alternately, utilizing CF, titanium (somehow) may be considered.
Anyway, maybe it's time for designers/fabricators to consider other materials and methods as well--not solely plastic and aluminum. It's past time for such housings not to remain merely a cheapo afterthought! (Ouch! Every nanogram of material matters to the PRC and, thus, its importers. Gravitating inexorably to the "culture of cheap" doesn't always serve everyone's interests so well.)
Better than plastic!
They make more than just CPUs, you know. I would think a significant part of their income is from the 3G/CDMA/LTE patents they hold.