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How is the iPhone 7 Plus dual camera different from Android cameras?

For those of us who live and breathe smartphones, it's fun to poke Apple when it "invents" a feature we've been seeing in the Android space for years. Like when it "invented" bigger phones in 2014, or "invented" split-screen multitasking on the iPad Pro.

Sometimes the snark is justified. Other times, not so much. (And for what it's worth, Apple rarely claims to be first with features.) In my view, the clamoring over the iPhone 7 Plus's new dual-camera setup fits somewhere in the middle. Sure, in the Android world dual cameras aren't new. But there's a lot Apple's doing that is new and important.

Let's take a look at how Android's been doing dual cameras over the past two and a half years, and how it differs to Apple's new stuff.

HTC One M8

HTC was quick to throw shade on Apple, referencing its One M8 launch back in 2014. The M8's camera was generally regarded to be its one major weakness — but hey, there were two sensors. The secondary sensor was used entirely for mapping depth information, which let you add artsy effects to your photos by knowing how far away each pixel in the photo was.

The M8 had two cameras, but its photos were still crap.

One of these effects was — your guessed it — fake software-based bokeh, giving close-up shots the illusion of shallow depth of field. Essentially, this was just selective software blurring, and because the M8's second sensor is super-low resolution, it's easy for softer edges (like hair or fur) to confuse HTC's software.

Apple's doing something similar in the iPhone 7 Plus, but it'll be added in a later software update for 7 Plus owners. (And, with far superior optics in the iPhone compared to the M8, we'd expect better results.)

LG V20

LG G5 + V20

LG was a bit more subtle in its Twitter shout-out after Apple's announcement. The Korean company's dual-sensor setup in the G5 and V20 is sort of the opposite of what Apple's doing, with one traditional 16-megapixel sensor behind a bright f/1.8 lens and a second wide-angle lens with an 8-megapixel sensor. (As opposed to Apple's wide-angle and telephoto lenses.)

The 16-megapixel shooter is your go-to camera, and performs really well in low light, while the wide-angle camera is for showing off with fancy landscape photos, and is fairly hopeless in the dark. So LG's approach is all about using a second camera to get a wider view, as opposed to zooming in on distant subjects.

Huawei P9 + Honor 8

Most of the time, Huawei uses its second lens to enhance contrast and detail.

Huawei's UK Twitter account has been going heavy on the dual-lens stuff in the run up to Apple's iPhone event. The P9's twin Leica-branded cameras (and the Honor 8's non-Leica-branded-but-totally-the-same cameras) combine two 12-megapixel sensors behind f/2.2 lenses — one full color, the other monochrome — for clearer shots with greater contrast and fine detail. On the P9, which has its own Leica camera app, it's possible to use the monochrome sensor alone for impressive black and white captures.

And Huawei has its own low depth of field mode too, based on depth info captured from the second sensor. The bump in resolution and processing power over the M8 leads to better looking fake bokeh, but Huawei's cameras can still be fooled by transparent objects and softer edges.

Huawei P9

iPhone 7 Plus

So what's Apple doing that's new and different? The iPhone 7 Plus uses the same 12-megapixel, f/1.8, optically stabilized camera as the smaller iPhone 7, but adds a second telephoto lens with 2X optical zoom. Combined with some software magic — and we won't know exactly how this works until reviews start popping up — the iPhone can zoom to 2X with no loss of detail, because it's using a second camera that's always zoomed in. The company claims its dual-camera system also helps with digital zoom up to 10x.

The iPhone can't zoom as far as a Galaxy S4 Zoom, but it's also not an inch thick.

While Android phones have offered improved digital zoom in the past — for example the Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom, K Zoom and ASUS Zenfone Zoom — these have largely been clunky, unattractive offerings because of the large number of moving parts involved. The scope of Apple's telephoto lens is more limited, but at the same time it's also not a full inch thick like the GS4 Zoom.

As mentioned, Apple's also working on using the second camera to add depth of field effects to photos, for example giving portraits more defocused backgrounds while keeping the subject in sharp focus. It won't be on the 7 Plus at launch, but will be added via a software update further down the line.

iPhone 7 Plus

Looking ahead

As much as there's innovation coming all over the mobile space, Apple still sets the tempo in certain key areas. So expect at least a few Android phone makers to emulate Apple's style of dual-camera setup in the coming year. That's a good thing. Both sides have copied all sorts of great features from each other over the years. By the same token, the likes of HTC, Huawei and LG aren't entirely accurate when they claim to have gotten there first. Sure, they have phones with two cameras, but they work in completely different ways.

Ultimately, great new camera tech in what's sure to be a very popular phone is good for everyone — for 7 Plus cameras who get the biggest iPhone camera upgrade in years, and for everyone buying phones through increased competition. Camera tech is one of the areas of mobile hardware that's yet to plateau, and with twin camera sure to become more popular, 2017 looks set to be a very interesting year indeed.

More: iPhone 7 coverage on iMore

Alex was with Android Central for over a decade, producing written and video content for the site, and served as global Executive Editor from 2016 to 2022.

98 Comments
  • Let's hope the blurring effect (iPhone 7+) is something that can be done while taking the photo and during editing. I think it is great that Apple is taking a different approach to dual cameras here. It is at least bringing new ideas to the table. Maybe in a couple of years I will be excited about dual cameras, but it is still very much Beta, with these companies trying to figure out what the consumer wants it expects from a dual camera setup. I wonder if this new approach can be switched on or added in existing hardware via a camera app update to these current Android handsets? I would thinks so, even though the resolution isn't the same.
  • The only thing that Apple has done differently here is that they have included a 2x telephoto lens, which is physical thing and not something that can be added in software. Other than that, there is nothing that Apple is doing that everyone else isn't already doing. They're likely using better sensors and lenses than Huawei (for example), and they have better CPU, DSP, and more finely tuned software, so the results will probably be better than the existing Android phones with dual cameras, but there isn't an novel idea here for the Android guys to steal (because they're already doing it).
  • They mentioned during the keynote that the blurring effect will show a live preview.
  • Nice write up Alex. If they could get the 7 plus in a more manageable form factor Apple might get my money, maybe lol
  • Had the same thought. I would consider it, but not at that size. My 6P is arguably the best phone i've ever had...but I'll ditch it soon here just due to the size
  • Yep. I've had a great experience with my 6P, but I prefer using the 5X, despite its not being quite as capable.
  • All agreed here. Love everything about my 6P....except its size & weight. Going back to something Nexus 5 size or LG G3 size is all I need. But I want the 6P's specs. *sigh* Hopefully, the upcoming Pixels/Nexuses will have something for me.
  • I haven't minded the overall size of the 6P at all. What bugs me a bit is how tall it is. It really is a bit too tall. Shaving a bit off the height would've made a significant difference. Other than that, they should've given it 4 gigs if RAM to match what was the high end standard in late 2015. They really did make it a bit underpowered in that regard compared to the competition last year and all current high end android phones
  • I'm actually pretty okay with the height. I mean, it would be nice if it were shorter, but I think it's a decent trade off for having front-facing speakers. I watch a lot of video on my phone, so that's definitely worth the extra size for me. Have you had issues with insufficient memory? Obviously four gigs would be better than three, but I've never run into a situation where more was actually needed.
  • I've never had any RAM issues with it. Stock is usually great in that regard. But it's always nice to have additional memory overhead IMO because 1. You're able to keep more apps cached in memory, and 2. There's no doubt it has a significant effect on the overall performance and smoothness of the device, especially when it comes to android. The 6P can be pushed to the point where that smoothness and responsiveness can be affected. An additional Gig of RAM would make it harder to push it to its limit.
  • They 'll have my money when iPhone allows full customization and get the App drawer. In other words - when it becomes Android :)
  • I'm sure you'll get a company copying the camera setup soon, just a bit cheaper and nicer looking
  • Say what you will but the M8 camera wasn't terrible. It certainly wasn't the best camera by a long shot, but I got really great shots out of that thing and the DOF lens performed pretty good considering nobody had really done that on a phone before.
  • Agreed.
  • I agree. I think it was just a resolution issue. Too low.
  • Yeah, the M8 was capable of fantastic shots. The only problem is that getting those fantastic shots took more work than most people were willing to put into it. That probably sounds condescending, but I don't mean it to be. A really good "don't mess with anything and just let auto mode deal with it" experience is essential to smartphone cameras, and HTC just didn't do a good enough job with that from the M7 - M9.
  • I also thought my M8 camera was pretty decent.
  • I don't understand the whole m8 camera was horrible.. It was not, granted it wasn't the best but u could get some really great shots with it... Plus u could do some cool(ginmicky) stuff with it that ppl usually didn't acknowledge... I actually miss some of the features it offered
  • Finally,, there are people who agree that the M8 had quite a decent camera. AC writers will praise one device's camera one year and ditch it the next year when a new flagship is introduced. I know the M8 camera did have certain issues, but most of my best shots in the past were taken with the M8. That's true. I'm now currently on a Huawei Mate 8 which also takes absolutely gorgeous shots (even that also seems to get bashed a lot by "tech enthusiasts").
  • Yeah, nobody... except for HTC themselves, 3 years earlier on the EVO 3D! Also, everyone else did it too, but with software tricks, e.g., the Google Camera app (beginning with the Nexus 5) introduced a background blur mode where you take a shot and raise the phone slightly to take a second shot.
  • I tot the S5 and Z3 or what tried to do background blurring without the depth sensing 2nd camera module
  • Good article Alex. One thing that I wish was implemented by anyone is horizontal video when the phone is vertical. Make horizontal default and have a button to switch it if desired. I remember that Blackberry did this with the Torch, at least that's what I remember!
  • Oh god, this!
  • For a while, the Google camera app would briefly display an icon reminding you to rotate the phone by 90 degrees if you opened the video while holding it in portrait mode. I liked that.
  • On iPhone and Android there's a freemium app which does this, Horizon (website: horizon.camera). It keeps the video horizontal even when the device is not. Not just in vertical position, by the way, but really on any angle.
    It works in real time and it's really great to shoot perfectly straight video even when you cannot keep your smartphone straight, like when running or biking or other hundreds of situations!
  • Thank you EnricoF, will look into it. I have to keep reminding my wife to put her phone horizontally when shooting videos. This would be great.
  • Good read Alex.
  • A good balanced article. I got into a spat over on iMore recently as I moaned about Rene Ritchie et al never critiquing apple products and was told Android Central were worse offenders. This article demonstrably proves that this is not the case.
  • I think we're getting there unfortunately, but we're still no where near as bad for the most part. But people are people and give us another year or two, and maybe their point will become valid :-(.
  • cmon htc one M8 pics werent crap..they were fine for social media sharing and stuff...ok so it didnt have OIS like the m7..but the depth effect was surprisingly cool.i used the device for almost 6 months and was fan of its camera tricks.. i had at the same an iphone 6 which was far ahead in image quality but the one m8 was fun and cool to shoot with..i am more of a nexus/apple guy than htc but the one m8 was a standout phone especially the gpe edition
  • So now my s7 edge's camera isn't the best anymore.... I wonder if the s8 will have dual lens or not.
    I think Motorola had a good idea with moto mods and that 10x zoom attachment.
  • I suspect you're right, but until we see it in actual use, we won't know for sure. Still, I'm hoping that if this works well, Samsung will add dual cameras to the S8 either in this configuration, or the one used by LG. I really like the wide angle lens and wish I had that.
  • I would wait to see speed of autofocus of the s7 vs iphone 7 plus. I cant live without the one on the s7. I have a 3 year old that constantly moves and the s7 autofocus has helped me a lot.
  • You can get the Lens Case for the S7 Edge, y'know, which comes with a wide angle and telephoto lenses. It's a bit cumbersome and nowhere near as elegant as Apple's solution, but it'll allow you to zoom in more without loss of fidelity.
  • yeah same sentiments, the LG G5 is pretty cool, but I think a close up lens is what people needed more than an ultra wide, I love ultra wide but I'm a niche audience, and I think 56mm is a good crop for portrait. let's see the S8. I still think samsung and LG has more pleasing colours, and raw should be able to equalise any manufacturer profile.
  • Anandtech did a comparison with the 10x moto mod camera and found it lacking. It's still a tiny sensor, and slow, by 250mm equivalent its down to f6.3. I have a tiny pocket Fuji cam from 2011 which is f5.6 at 360mm equivalent. Zooms are a trade off
  • I think my favorite takes on it so far are the Huawei type and the iphone as long as it bears fruit. I like LG cameras but the wide angle for their secondary cameras is too distorted to me. The HTC from back then was the least capable of the different efforts,to me, but it was from a few generations back. Nice article, and a good read. Thanks for this.
  • That's the only true, practical innovation to come from Apple I've seen, pretty much ever.. Bravo Apple, now that's a great implementation for smartphone zoom. Thanks for your contribution to the world of tech. Finally!
  • Outside of the original iPhone...
  • Yeah, I don't agree. It was a downgrade from nearly other smartphone out at that time. The full touch was "innovative" they say. But programmable buttons were nice. But we all got over it and adapted.
  • Yeah compare the original iPhone with a treo 680 and you will understand why your comment holds no water.
  • I agree and disagree with what he's saying to a point. When the original iPhone shipped without copy/paste (something most any other smartphone had) or MMS or 3G capability (something even feature phones had at that time) I can see where he's coming from. But they did have the capacitive touchscreen (as he said) and they had the best media setup in any smartphone, plus they essentially brought smartphones to the masses. They were no longer isolated to business users, politicians, and celebrities. Granted, it wasn't a requirement to be one of those to own a smartphone, but for the most part people didn't see the need until Apple made owning and using a smartphone simple enough for the casual user to operate.
  • Thanks for elaborating my point. But everyone had smartphones.. Blackberry was on top of the world then. A lot you people in here were kids then so they don't remember. But us 30 somethings remember. iPhone was a downgrade from almost any device you had. It just had an Apple logo. Windows Mobile may have sucked regarding the freezing issues, but when it ran, it ran well. It did almost everything modern smartphones do now.
  • > everyone had smartphones.. Blackberry was on top of the world then BlackBerry had the business market locked down for sure, but they never made significant inroads into the consumer market. They tried with the Pearl, which was a nice phone, but they just couldn't keep up with the pace of innovation coming out of Apple. Even business users who swore up and down that they'd never give up their physical keyboard jumped ship when they saw what touch-screen devices could do. Android famously changed its entire strategy after the iPhone was announced (http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/04/14/exclusive-android-docs-reveal-...). The fact that you're calling the iPhone a downgrade proves that you don't understand the market for smartphones. While I'm sure BlackBerry could technically to _more_ things than the iPhone, the iPhone did things _better_. Turns out that's what people wanted.
  • I'm assuming you meant to reply to savdini instead of me.
  • Okay, compare to a blackberry. Or any windows mobile at that time. Ever feature phones. All the original iPhone had going for it was the capacitive touch screen - that's it. So it was nothing groundbreaking, everyone had smartphones. It didn't create the market. It simply boosted it.
  • I should have said the iPhone 3G. Bottom line is that while the iPhone was indeed missing a lot of basic features (didn't even have apps) initially, it was at the time the only phone with a capacitive screen, and it was by far the easiest for technology luddites to use. When my daughter turned 3, I let her play with my iPad gen 1, and she just got it. I can't say the same for any other device before or after that. Please keep in mind that I hate the iPhone, and I personally think they're full of &#$@. But they do deserve credit for some things. Just nowhere near the amount of things they claim.credit for, or are given credit for.
  • Your 3 year old may be super intelligent but switching from windows 7 to mac was not easy for me and I work in IT. I am a computer engineer. I had to google the key combination of cut paste on mac now after several months on mac I am more comfortable but I wont say it was easy to learn just by messing around. When I upgraded from DOS to windows 3.1 for all the later versions I learnt everything by just playing with the computers. For mac I won't say I could do that. I had to use other resources to get up to speed with mac. My experience with iphone has been where is the menu key for the rest of the options like you get on an android. in fact I felt if I had to clear my browser cache it was counter intuitive to go to settings to clear it out vs just pull down the menu on browser and hit clear history. But that's just me! I am not intimidated by more options but hate it when they make the options obscure.
  • Oh, don't get me wrong I'm not saying everything Apple does UI wise is great. I also switched to Mac OS, and I found it very unintuitive in many areas. MacOS is a completely different animal. iOS is very easy for newbies to use. It's touch first, and just seems to be more natural for kids.
  • I should have added that I think for anyone who has been using a more powerful phone OS like Android, switching to iOS is very counterintuitive too. Its more for kids or newbies that it seems to be easier. I also ding the fact that every app's settings is in a centralized settings option, the fact that I can't quickly call my favorite contacts without taking 5 clicks, and many other things incredibly annoying. I have an iPhone for work, and after a year, I still hate it, because so many things I use a phone for regularly just take many more clicks to achieve than on Android (particularly Android with a good launcher like Nova). People who say iOS is easier (including me), are not considering productivity. It's far less productive.
  • Your child could use it easily because it doesn't do much. It had one button. There wasn't anything to learn. . We're all tech geeks in here. Everything we learn should have a level of difficulty, which makes it worth while. Us giving credit for ease of use just dumbs us down. Ever drive a manual? It's worth learning.
  • Agreed. I didn't use an iPhone. I had a Windows Mobile phone at the time and thought the iPhone was terrible. All I'm complimenting them on is making a UI that's apparently easy for newbies or kids. That's it. They have innovated though, even if it's in marketing. Just because we don't like them or their products doesn't mean we can't give you then any credit at all. They're not one of the most successful companies in the world for nothing. The iPod for example was the first successful mp3 player. It also wasn't the best. My iRiver was far better. But it sold a ton.
  • Touch ID. I know the Atrix had a fingerprint scanner before the iPhone 5S, but having had an Atrix, trust me when I say that Touch ID was the first fingerprint sensor to actually contribute to the phone in any practical and meaningful way.
  • True, but that technology was stolen from Motorola by Apple. (if you recall the company that was working with Moto for the Nexus 6 fingerprint reader was purchased by Apple). So it was omitted from the Nexus 6. So I'll give that to Apple, but it wasn't theirs to begin with.
  • fingerprint sensor is pretty good too
  • > That's the only true, practical innovation to come from Apple I've seen, pretty much ever So... what you're saying is that you don't follow "the world of tech"?
  • Android Central never say anything bad about Apple
  • They do when it's called for.
  • Good article...with the Camera being the number one feature I look for in a phone (having used a Lumia ICON for a long time and now a Note 7), it was tempting to pre-order a 7+, especially since I am still awaiting the recall for my Note 7. But I prefer Android (even Windows Phone) over iOS, so it would be tough to move.
  • Yes, it seems they invented living pictures as well.... Oh wait, my old Nokia Lumia did this year's ago.... And their smartwatch can be used as a nightstand clock you know! Very original and unique....
  • Probably original live photo-ish feature was HTC Zoe (inspired by Vine or sth?)
    We do know that who make it works well matters more than who comes up with, but when someone uses the term "invented" sounds the latter .. In this viewpoint sorry Apple hardly did, while I totally agree it it sets the bar. BTW I wonder why doesn't anybody make next-gen animation gif and instant animation gif shooter.
  • Wasn't there an Android (or Windows) phone that used two cameras and stitched the photos together for super wide photos? For since reason that's something that sticks in my memory, although I could be confusing it with the Huawei setup.
    And HTC screwed around with 3D cameras for a bit. And yes, the M8 camera is crap. I've been using one for 2 years, can't wait to move on. It really sucked to feel like I got a downgrade from my iPhone 4 buying a new phone. Everything else about the phone is great though, besides the black bar.
  • I'll know soon. Ordered the iPhone 7plus this morning. Should have it within 2 weeks! Can't wait to try out the camera.
  • Awesome!
  • Can't wait for the tri-camera!
  • I know some situations where that telephoto lens will come in handy.
  • ;-)
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  • I don't use my camera much. I'd prefer they keep things like the 3.5mm jack.
  • hmmm
  • Arrrrr.......
  • It's different cause it has a shiny apple emblem. And Tim crook says it's the best camera in the world so it has to be true.
  • Great phone by Apple. Good article Alex!
  • "but adds a second telephoto lens with 2X optical zoom" It's not an optical zoom lens. It's a fixed focus lens with twice the focal length. BIG DIFFERENCE! Any "zooming" between the two focal lengths is still done digitally with software. If it was an optical zoom you wouldn't need the first lens.
  • Nothing comes close to Apple image processing and now with this kind of hardware, there will be no android to compete.
  • Samsung bested them a while ago.. LG too
  • Only because of their superior hardware. That's why I said "image processing".
  • Image processing can be improved after the fact, hardware cannot, short of buying a new device.
  • Samsung "image processing" is not great, its camera experience that is better on Samsung phones like quick focus and fast image capturing. but when you compare detail even Nexus 6p HDR+ 90% time beats Samsung Image processing cuz Nexus 6p have better camera sensor or I say bigger
  • Apple acquired an Israeli company named LinX a year or so ago. LinX was developing the computational photography alogrithms for dual lens cameras and had some highly touted technology. It seems the iPhone 7 is starting to use that capability and it will be very interesting to see how it works.
  • They would use their developments if same coverage lenses have been used. Such a different focal lengths made it practically impossible to enhance image using information from different sensor, except enhancing central part of 28mm image :)
  • I think the matte black iPhone 7 is damn sexy and just the size I want my phone to be. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a tempting option this time around. There's just no android phones appealing to me this year. I want a moto z play,but if they don't get some CDMA support I'm trapped lol. I really lost interest in this whole pixel line coming out,but hopefully they're more impressive than they sound.
  • No love for silver?
  • I dunno, this all sounds dandy but my phone has an 18MP camera and all I really want to do is point and shoot (as do 99% of smartphone photographers). Sure, a permanently zoomed lens would be useful in some circumstances but if it slows me down, forget it. It's always good to see technology advancing but this is a pretty small one IMO... and the removal of the headphone jack is a deal breaker anyway.
  • "The M8 had two cameras, but its photos were still crap" Not in the hands of a photographer. Or anyone who knew anything about the settings. A fifteen second tweak and you were good to go.
    My photos have been used corporately and with private photo shoots, and I've even snuck in a few shots from the M8 because of the low light capabilities and effects. No one even noticed. And here's a shocker: I setup two phones on tripods in a poorly lit room, and the M8 shots were better exposed and had less noise than those from the Galaxy S7 Edge. Oh, and the Bokeh effect is performed via software on the iPhone, so it's still "fake". And I say that as I've just sat down from a technology upgrade walk-through, and the project manager asked me to send him my photos from the M8 because they look better than his Olympus camera. The drawback on the M8 was resolution, and the preset for auto mode. You can't do anything about the resolution, but the settings are a no-brainer for anyone who's used to dealing with real cameras anyway.
  • "A fifteen second tweak" is not something that everyone should have to do before snapping a quick photo with their phone. Also, the lack of OIS and the slower aperture on the One M8 means you NEED to use a tripod to get a decent picture in low light. With the S7 Edge, you can just point and shoot, and you'll get a decent picture every time with basically no tweaking.
  • It's a fifteen second tweak that you do once. You never have to touch it again. I own the S7 Edge, and the daylight pictures are way better than the M8. In low light though, the M8 still does better in a lot of situations. I take 99% of my smartphone photos without a tripod. Granted, not everyone has steady hands, but I still get asked to forward my M8 pictures by architects, engineers, and project managers.
  • > As mentioned, Apple's also working on using the second camera to add depth of field effects to photos, Good luck for them and for you thinking in such a way LOL
    You just don't have enough information with 56mm to enhance 28mm image and don't have enough resolution and sensor size to enhance 56mm with 28mm image. There's no magic.
  • M8 photos were definitely not crap. I'd take phenomenal photos with that camera. Yeah, now compared to my S7, it definitely is lacking. If you didn't zoom in or crop the photo, they came out pretty nicely. Not the best even at the time, but definitely not crap unless you just didn't know what you were doing. And back then it probably had the best low light photos hands down.
  • The M7 had the same sensor and OIS a year earlier, so it certainly wasn't the best low-light camera even back then! Sensors (and DSPs) have come so far since then that you simply don't need 2-micron pixels to get good low-light performance these days.
  • Apple never invents new but they are good at re-engineering. The apple new 2 sensor approach looks more like a mix of g5 and p9 but the other direction. Having a 56mm lens is brilliant for portrait lovers. And I assume it's easier to do depth mapping since it's more isolating for the subject to fill the frame. We will have to see. The p9 is already doing quite a good job. We can't tell how good their digital zoom though, but seems like they are confident. If it's using some oversampling and pixel binning it might just work. Sure the zenfone, k zoom might give better zoom still but I guess apple wants that elusive software bokeh also which is in line with their Instagram crowd. Colours on iPhone is still that conservative yellow green tint, it's very slight but it's quite an obvious signature, I prefer the output from my Olympus, than the LG g4 then iPhone6. Having said that I won't buy the plus. Too expensive-too big, next phone will be an S7, getting frustrated with LG. Wonder how good is the battery for S7
  • Iphone 7 plus, what an amazing device. 1000€ well spent.
  • I'm sorry but if you want true image compression and selective depth of field, use a damn DSLR. Right tools for job people.
  • Most people don't want to carry around 5 lbs. of gear, they just want a phone that takes good pictures! I actually have a real camera that I never use, because the whole reason I take pictures is to share with people and I can do that really easily with a phone.
  • I am specifically referring to depth of field and true image compression. A phone has to use filters and tricks to achieve what occurs naturally when using a zoom lens or fixed telephoto on a DSLR as a result of optical physics. I carry around the extra gear because the shots matter to me
    As someone with a degree in photography I've come to expect a certain quality and result when taking pictures. Yes, my G4 does some remarkable things for only being a camera phone but I hit its limits pretty quickly. The manual controls are great but they still lack the ability to change the aperture which is key to truly controlling depth of field. So if you truly want that kind of control, you pick up a DSLR. What I am picturing is the Sports Illustrated shot of the football player caught mid air jumping up to catch a ball while the background is completely blurred out. No phone will ever get that shot raw which means you would have to apply the affect in post processing and it would probably look like ****. And no matter how tight and clean a shot from a phone is, I can usually tell it is from a phone because of the image processing. The Nikon lens I have are so optically superior to the lens on my phone (Nikon's coating process is top notch - do they even coat the lenses on phones?). I can also use a polarizer on my DSLR probably the most important filter in any photography kit. And the lens on my phone just isn't wide enough most of the time so I end up using the wide angle lens on my camera. Photography with my phone is a novelty but for me it is akin to taking studio polaroids to check lighting back in the days of film only (I've been shooting seriously since '85): it is just a preview of the image I'll capture with my real camera. Can't use bounce flash with a phone either. The list goes on and on.
  • I used to think that way until I used the G4, it's stabiliser is good enough for night shots and I love raw editing to pull out the blue skies.
  • I do like the idea of a true telephoto lens. Not zoom but an improvement. I've always liked optical zoom/telephoto. Long zoom was mine main requirement in digital cameras. Software is just cropping and looses overall resolution.
  • Bad info on the G5 and V20!!!! Both devices actually have the "Manual Mode" that works for both the 16 and 8 wide mega pixel camera. In "Manual Mode" is where you can control things like the shutter speed, ISO, and WB. Therefore "both" cameras can be useful in low light situations.