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Android Messages is Google's best chance to compete with iMessage

To say that Google's had trouble creating and maintaining a messaging service to truly compete with iMessage would be the understatement of the century. We've seen countless attempts in the form of Hangouts, Allo, Duo, Android Messages, and others trying to offer the same experience that attracts and holds so many people within Apple's ecosystem. Each has brought good ideas to the table, but Google's yet to unify these ideas under one single umbrella to make things simple for the end-user.

Thankfully, it looks like this will soon be changing. A recent teardown an upcoming version of Android Messages gave us a look at things Google has planned for a future release, and if all of this ends up going the way it looks like it will, we may soon have the iMessage competitor on Android that we've been waiting for for so many years.

I know we've been teased and disappointed by Google in the past, but this is why going all out with Android Messages is Google's best chance yet at finally delivering a messaging solution that people will want and use.

The things that Android Messages already does right

Asking your friends and family members to download an app just so you can talk to them is a conversation no one wants to have, but Android Messages is different. The app's been around on the Play Store for some time, and even if you download it to replace the default SMS app on a phone like the Galaxy S8, all of your existing conversations are still there.

More importantly, some manufacturers already choose to use Android Messages as the default SMS app for their phones. Motorola, Nokia, Huawei, Sony, ZTE, and the Pixel phones (obviously) already do this, and Google's constantly trying to convince more and more OEMs to follow suit. The combination of this and Android Messages use of SMS makes it far more accessible than anything Google's done in the past, and while SMS as a platform has its limitations, Google seems to have found a workaround for this (more on that later).

More: Huawei joins RCS movement by using Android Messages as default texting app

Along with your basic text and emoji messaging, Android Messages can already do quite a lot. While it may not be as fully-fledged as something like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger, you can use it to send a variety of animated stickers, photos, voice messages, your current location, and even money through Google Wallet (soon to be Google Pay). Again, all of this is being done through SMS.

If you're on Project Fi, you can even use Android Messages to send Smart Replies — automatically generated responses that populate based on the context of your conversations. This is something that Google first introduced with Allo, and it's yet another step in turning standard SMS conversations into more feature-rich ones that users have access to out-of-the-box.

What Google's got in the pipeline

In its current form, Android Messages is a powerful texting app with a few fun features, clean design, and easy-to-use interface. Version 2.9 of the app was recently released to the Play Store, and while it doesn't bring a lot of user-facing changes, strings of code within the update reveal that Google has a lot of exciting things in the works. Here's a breakdown of what we can expect in the near future:

Screenshot from 9to5Google

  • Web client for desktop texting — Android Messages is a great app, but in its current form, you can only access your conversations on your phone. In v2.9, snippets of code reveal that Google is preparing a web-based client so you can send and receive messages right on your computer. You'll go to a URL on your desktop/laptop, scan a QR code with your phone's camera, and that's all there is to it.
  • Texting over Wi-Fi — One of iMessage's best features is the ability to send /receive texts seamlessly through both your wireless service and over Wi-Fi networks. This is another feature Google aims to adopt, and it'll ensure you can stay in touch with all your contacts no matter what.
  • Higher-quality photos — You can already send pictures via Android Messages, but right now, the amount of compression that takes place results in a pixelated mess, since it mainly uses the old MMS standard. In the near future, Google will make it so you can send high-resolution photos that don't look like garbage.
  • Read and typing indicators — Most all messaging apps allow you to see when someone is typing and when your messages have been read. It's one of those things you don't really think about, but it's a core feature we've come to know and expect in early 2018. Once again, this is something that's coming soon to Android Messages.

How Google can make it work this time

While it's easy to look at all of these features and get excited, I also understand that this is someplace we've been before. Whether it be with Hangouts, Allo, or something else, Google's tried making compelling messaging services multiple times that never caught on the way it was hoping.

However, I honestly believe that things will be different things time around.

Google's not making a new messaging service – it's taking texting and making it way better.

For starters, Google's simply adding new features to an app that already exists. At the time of publishing this article, Android Messages already has 100 million downloads from the Play Store. For comparison's sake, Allo has just 10 million. That's still a way off from WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger's 1 billion+ installs, but it means that Google already has a large user base at its disposal. If Google invests the time and money into marketing campaigns for Android Messages the way it does for Photos and Duo, it can easily add more and more users in a snap.

As for how these new features will be implemented, that's something still up in the air at this time. Most carriers in the United States still use the older SMS standard for text messaging, but Android Messages is fully capable of supporting RCS. In a nutshell, RCS is an upgraded version of SMS that allows for many of the features listed above. However, in order for phones to take advantage of this, you need support from carriers and manufacturers.

In the code for v2.9 of Android Messages, there's a line referencing that users can "upgrade" to access the upcoming goodies. Has Google found a way to bypass the need for carriers and OEMs to adopt RCS and instead act as a middle-man of sorts? If so, this would essentially transform Android Messages from a basic SMS app into something much more powerful with the flip of a switch.

My guess is that Google will talk in-depth about what it's working on in these regards at its I/O developer conference this May, and if all goes as I'm hoping, we may finally have the iMessage alternative we deserve.

Google prepares to turn Android Messages into a true iMessage competitor

Joe Maring was a Senior Editor for Android Central between 2017 and 2021. You can reach him on Twitter at @JoeMaring1.

  • Needs Google Voice number compatibility or it's a non-starter.
  • Beat me to this comment. Why they continue to treat Google Voice like the proverbial red-headed stepchild is beyond me. I'm sure someone(s) over at Google is bright enough to come up with some sort of API or whatever to include a 'You use Google Voice? Check this box to use your GV number!' prompt for Android Messenger/other SMS apps so we're not left out of the party.
  • This is exactly the reason I don't use any of the other messaging apps that Google or others have out there! I'm stuck with Voice for my testing to use my GV number and for those lucky enough to have my "real" number I have to swap over to Messages. It's a pain when I just want to use ONE app. I never got the reason they killed this in Hangouts and then split the puzzle with Allo and Duo. They need to get with the game.
  • Agreed. I used to use Hangouts for all my messaging. Now, I still use Hangouts when conversing, calling, and video chatting with my family near and far, on any platform. I use Messages for everyone else when Hangouts by all intents and purposes got pushed to the enterprise side. . I dl'ed Allo and Duo, but they're never used. I want to see Messages become the second coming of Hangouts.
  • Or just stop using Google voice...
  • Meh. Yeah, I could, but it serves a purpose for me, so that isn't a good solution.
  • This would make me so happy. Only reason I even consider iPhones at times is for the iMessage, since everyone in my family uses it. I'm the only one sending crappy pictures.
  • But until Apple does something on their end, I don't think this will help Android <-> iOS communication. It'll still be green bubbles (sms/mms). I think this is mainly an "iMessage" like experience for Android <-> Android (as long as all parties are using Android Messages. I think the only thing that will help Android <-> iOS to be more like iMessage would be for all carriers and OEMS (including Apple) to adopt RCS.
  • I'm glad someone realize even if Google copy iMessage completely it still won't work with iPhones just to other Android phones so your videos will still look horrible to them.
  • Apple might just adopt RCS after all
  • I've read somewhere that there is a possibility that Google could make a version of Android Messages for iOS.
  • I've never used imessage and have no idea what it does. What makes it so special that people are so stupidly obsessed? What does it do that Hangouts doesn't?? Hangouts only requires a google account and you can talk to anyone on any platform or device, even on iphones or Macs. Same convo on my phone and computer. Send stuff over data or wifi. Tells you when people are typing and on what device. Video chat, send pics, send vids, send emojis, send locations. How is this not good enough? I can't think of a single thing I need that Hangouts doesn't do. Read receipts? Is that it?
  • "I've never used imessage and have no idea what it does. What makes it so special that people are so stupidly obsessed? " If you've never used then why the to attack others who love it? I find comments on tech blogs to be so elitist. People act like what THEY chose to use is so much better and if someone else choses something different then their choices are "stupid".... It's amazing how techies can be the smartest people... and then not so much.. smfh
  • Hi, I think he is genuinely curios as to why people rave about iMessage. In fact I never used imessage and I wonder too. His list of features from Hangout indeed looks very exhaustive and covers everything. What is that imessage offers over these for people to rave about it? Can you objectively answer?
  • Doesn't look like the person above can... I didn't read the op comment as an attack but just inquisitive... But to answer yall question the biggest advantage iMessage have over Hangouts is how it handles multimedia... The sending limit for imessage was over 100mb last time I used it which mean you can send a hq video pretty much uncompressed. Also, it switches between iMessage and sms seamlessly unlike how Hangout used to be, it used to require you to select if you wanted to send a sms or a chat message through Hangouts
  • The above person didn't have to . . it didn't take long for you to figure out the one feature Hangouts lacks that the OP failed to identify. That burden was on the OP, not the respondent. The ability to seamlessly communicate to recipients over SMS is it, plain and simple, and people aren't stupid if they find that feature important.
  • So how does imessage choose SMS or not? And why does it matter? If I want to send someone a text, I'll send them a text with Google Messenger or the phone's messaging app. But generally the people I have friended on hangouts, I'll usually only send them hangouts because I know they'll get it on their phone or computer. I don't mind having two apps for this because using one and switching back and forth within the app is too complicated.
  • The big reason imessage is so good, and better than Hangouts, is integration and simplicity. Hangouts does not support SMS, no one give me the project Fi or Google voice argument, that is such a small amount as to not matter in real life. Imessage treats every message as data until it comes across a non data messenger, Android, basic phone or similar. It can also send SMS when no data is around, WhatsApp, hangouts or gv cannot. It's simple. While I feel that Hangouts is a decent app it was not simple or intuitive. You buy an iPhone and do a simple login and it works, that's 50% of the US smartphone users. Hangouts seemed to go it of its way to make it complicated and clunky and never do any updates even after years of use. I call it the mom rule, if my mother can't figure it out on her own without calling me it wasn't designed properly, (my father on the other hand hasn't moved past 2 cups with a string) Integration. Apple has this down to a very profitable science. Buy an iPhone, imessage is on the front and integrated, iPod, iPad, Iwatch, MacBook, if it has an apple logo it comes preinstalled and ready to roll. All those cute emojis and stickers are not made just for children. They are built to create a more fun user expensive. Not everyone has to like them but a huge portion of users love them, they are not built for grumpy old men who think the Barenaked Ladies are to hard rock. Hangouts can do most of this but does not do it as well. It works only with people with Gmail addresses, imessage works with any apple product and across all platforms that include sms. It merges two messengers into one, and does a fine job at encryption while doing that.
  • If that is the major difference, it seems that Apple artificially screws with inter-OS multimedia messaging to make imessage look better. Whenever I get an SMS picture from someone with an iphone, it's about 200x400 pixels and so blurry you can't see the image.
  • It's not necessarily to "make imessage look better" as it is to make it work better. Well better for them anyway. I'm not a fan of the automatic downsizing of images and videos either, it's typically overaggressive in its approach in what I can only assume is an attempt to ensure messages get delivered despite any carrier restrictions on size for all recipients (since carrier restrictions vary for MMS sizes). But yeah iMessage chooses SMS or its own system based upon whether or not recipients are registered on iMessage. If not, they get their message delivered via SMS/MMS . . . its all seamless to an iOS user so they need not switch back and forth between different messaging services/apps.
  • LOL thanks for not answering my questions, but immediately defending Apple. I want to know why people are so obsessed with imessage that they wouldn't entertain an Android phone (even though they admit Android might be better than iOS) specifically because it doesn't have that app.
  • I think it's the ability to have all of the benefits from Hangouts, but still be able to send SMS messages to non-iOS users from the same app. The fact that many US iPhone users use it as their default messaging app also helps. Now you don't have to ask a friend or family member to use a 3rd party app for messaging. If they are in the US and on iOS, they are likely using the same app as you.
  • 100% agree with you man.
  • Women and kids like it for all the emoji and sticker stuff. Others, like myself, like it because almost every app on the iPhone integrates into it. For example: I can go to Fandango and buy movie tickets, then send the redemption code, through iMessage, right to the person I bought the tickets for. I can search for GIF's, in GIFy, right in the response box, and it will pop up suggestions. I can send money, post the location of a restaurant, using YELP or OpenTable. Facebook Messenger is almost identical. Try it out, and you'll see what I mean.
  • This can also be done on Hangouts. Not a big difference between the two other than Apple forces you to use iMessage and Google does not force you to use Hangouts. If they had forced Android users to use Hangouts most people with an Android phone would be using it. Whatever Google decides on, they need to make it the one and only default messaging app or it will never gain traction. Hangouts was almost there, until it wasn't. I don't understand it.
  • Can you clarify what you mean when you say "Apple forces you to use iMessage"? I'm both an iOS and Android user, and I don't touch iMessage. I need something that works on multiple platforms (including Windows), so I use Hangouts and other messaging apps for iOS, just fine.
  • Can you use Hangouts on iOS to send and receive SMS messages? I don't think you can.
  • Stickers and emoji? So what do adults use it for? I don't follow what kids do on their phones because it's generally counterproductive to real life. Apple integrates everything into it because it keeps you using only apple apps and makes you stay with apple products. I guess it's working well!! And you lost me with FB messenger. That (and it's attachment to the FB app) is one of the most annoying and intrusive apps I've used on my phone. And definitely not trusting FB with my bank/CC account info.
  • Since switching to Android, as much as I dislike it, Whatsapp has become by default messaging app simply because I have such bad mobile (cell) coverage at work. For me, Messages (or SMS in general) will be a non-starter so long as it relies on my carrier or my phone having mobile service. I'm hoping that Google will find a way to send and receive SMS messages even if I don't have mobile signal or am in another country. The new developments look promising but I assume that even if I write and hit 'Send' on a message on my PC, it's still going to be my phone that actually sends and receives the messages and will therefore rely on my phone having signal in order for the message to actually get sent. I hadn't heard of RCS until I read this article but it sounds promising. It will probably be another one of those things (like mobile payments and wireless charging) that won't see wide adoption until Apple "invents" it.
  • Same for me I need a way to send and receive text messages over wifi due to no cell service at my work location. It's unrealistic to ask everyone I know to download a 3rd party app so I can text them. I bought a 6p to try android and love it BUT since I'm on ATT and the 6p not being a carrier branded phone I can't use the stock android messaging app for texting over wifi or wifi calling. This is the only reason I'm still on iPhone.
  • I only used Android Messages until 1 random day, I stopped getting text messages, I was missing important messages from my wife, son, mother, boss and I didn't know why. I tried to reach out to google (no real help there), made sure there wasn't any updates. Then I looked into trying another SMS service and ended up sticking with Mood and never looked back. It has everything I need and some things I don't care about. But its a better option than Android Messages and IT WORKS.
  • My wife had the same issue on a Samsung S7 when using Messages about three months ago. She reluctantly changed to a Samsung messaging app and problem went away. I also searched the internet for a resolution but could find no answers or anyone who could help. I did discover there were others with the problem and had moved away from Messages. Hopefully this has been fixed or will be fixed. My wife is not interested enough to 'do a test'.
  • Isn't aspiring to iMessage setting the bar low? Signal rendered this sort of conversation moot:
  • Samsung messages lets me know when my wife or other fellow Sammy users are typing, have read, etc. Will Google message do the same?
  • Did you read the article?
  • I'm guessing he/she didn't, lol
  • No it won't.
  • As long as they also get an iOS client (I assume it'd work like Allo/WhatsApp) as well. Or somehow every carrier/device actually goes RCS. As an MVNO user, I feel like we'll get the short end of that stick
  • if it requires iOS users to download another app, it won't be a good iMessage option for Android to iPhone. I'm not going to ask all my iOS contacts to download another app to chat with me. the thing that will make it work is if all OEMS and carriers adopt RCS... or Apple opens up iMessage to Android users, but that won't happen.
  • But, would it do it cross platform, like Android Messages to iMessages? Doubtful, so I don't really care about this feature. Most of my friends have iPhone.
  • exactly. While I still welcome it, I want true cross platform integration that works with Android Messages and iOS Messaging. That won't happen with this. need to be RCS or something similar.
  • Apple are considering adopting RCS messaging also
  • Everyone is forgetting about Samsung. Samsung makes its messaging app the default on its phones.
  • I have had an issue with Android messages on my last two phones (S7 Edge and Note 8) where I do not get all of my text messages. If I go back to Samsung Messages, the texts are there. If I didn't have that issue I would use Android Messages more. Anyone have this same issue?
  • yea I noticed this, especially in group texts, where it would only show some of the texts from the group, but when I open samsung messages all the messages are there
  • I had similar problems with messages on lg problem was caused by advanced messages being turned on (an att setting)
  • As long as they give it some KEWL name like Message Pong and continue to refuse to support VCards, it should be just about as successful as Hangouts. Nothing like asking business associates to "Send me a Hangout" to set a professional tone. Or, I'm sorry what is a VCard? Yeah...Message Pong with lots of stickers, that's what we need!
  • In threads such as this there is often a lot of people expressing a lack of understanding as to why some users refuse to move away from SMS as a primary communication protocol. As someone who uses SMS as my primary tool I just cannot imagine doing so. Living in the US and having to communicate with people on various carriers using SMS is an absolute must for me as I cannot control what platforms the users I communicate with are using any more than I can control the carriers they use. US carriers have been notorious for making texting and voice calling more economical than data use for years now so it shouldn't be a surprise that SMS is prevalent here where economical unlimited texting plans exist. The need for SMS is real and it's not any one individual user's fault. For some perhaps the number of people they communicate is small enough to encourage migration to a different messaging platform. For others though who continuously add or change the groups of people they communicate with that's just not an option. I know I fall into the 2nd category - I work with a couple of different non-profit organizations and communicate with dozens of people per week in group or individual text conversations, there's no way I could get all of those people to use something like WhatsApp or Allo or any other special messaging app.
  • Check out Pulse SMS. Closest thing to iMessage for Android, contacts don't have to install it. Text via PC, tablet, phone, all sync'd.
  • Messages- LOL, yeah it's going to take on imessages like a piece of paper can compete with a ipad. Hangouts dude, and no your technical incompetence is not my problem. With that said, Google's marketing and product positioning division appears to be all of our problem.
  • I tried Android Messages for the first time, recently, but uninstalled it as soon as I realised it doesn't have Samsung's "lift device to ear to phone currently selected contact" functionality. This is just too useful to not have.
  • I've wished for a long time that Google would release a messaging app that would handle both SMS and Messaging capabilities seamlessly, in the vein of iMessage. If Android Messages will do that, then I'll give it a try. I liked Hangouts when it had everything in one app, but quit using it when they split everything up. Idon't want to switch from app-to-app just to message people. I totally agree that when the service is updated, Google needs to make it the default app out of the box, just like iMessage. Let those that want to download and use different apps do so, but as long as there's one default app for the majority of users.
  • Manufacturers dictate what the default messaging app is on their phones.
  • This still sounds like a bag on the side, not a true integration of Messages on multiple devices and platforms, like Hangouts does so well.
    Unless this can support messages on my two phones, my tablet, my desktop Chromebox and my Pixelbook, it's DOA. Luckily, I'm a Project Fi subscriber, so I can continue to use Hangouts for SMS. As outdated as Hangouts looks, it's still Google's only true multi-device messaging product.
  • I just want a dark theme, c'mon Google!
  • How bout they both first try to compete with whatsapp
  • Allo is a better messenger than WhatsApp. After using both WhatsApp seems old.
  • Android Messages already allows you to send read receipts and view typing indicators. You have to enable enhanced features first, and it depends on the carrier if this will work or not. I have definitely seen typing indicators on my Sprint HTC U11
  • Sprint has already enabled RCS so that would be the reason you're seeing those things. People on other carriers are still waiting.. Good on Sprint for being First off the blocks
  • "Soon." Worst. Timeframe. Ever.
  • Who gives a **** if your text bubbles are blue or green!!! What difference does it make
  • I love Android Messages, they should make it like iMessages
  • I look forward to giving Android Messages another try once it is updated. Compete with Apple iMessages? Android Messages is inferior to the stock Samsung Messages app , let alone iMessages. Samsung messages has voice assistant and contacts on screen, group chat two touches away, is cleaner, and more custom menu options. Yes, improve Android Messages! I'll use whatever is best ... Android Messages has been neglected. It can be argued that a smartphone message app is second only to the virtual keyboard as being the most important app on Android.
  • I have messenger installed, I don't use it, please don't count me... I use chomp sms, the main reason is that I can size the fonts so I can read the conversation without needing to put my glasses on (and I can customise the look).
  • Can't even change the background? LOL!
  • Oh jeez - will I have to retrain all my iMessage-using family members who I recently persuaded to use allo? Why can't someone come up with an app that allows Apple people to send an Android person a message from iMessage and it arrives on some app on an Android phone? Doesn't sound too difficult.
  • Forgive me for not being totally up to speed on the message app differences. I have tried Android Message & Samsung message apps. They both communicate just fine to and from iMessage users. I actually end up and prefer using Verizon's Message+ app over any others I have tried. Again, it works just fine sending and receiving to the iMessage users. What am I missing in all of this?
  • Did you read the article? High quality video, pictures, read receipts, typing indicator, gifs and the ability to have a group chat without it turning into a mess. Not to mention when businesses send you a link (eg boarding passes, instead of getting a link you'll actually get your whole pass) with the ability to interact directly with that business from the message. Standard SMS is 25 years old. It's time to upgrade and move on
  • Yes, read the article, still nothing earth shattering that I can't already do. Just my texting app ignorance I suppose.
  • You assume Google is capable of making Android Messages a success. I seriously doubt this:
    - There's no humility at Google; they decide what you need, they're not interested in our opinions or experience; in a word, they don't listen
    - Searching in Gmail is seriously flawed; search for book, and you won't find references to books, booking, etc. Compare that with Google Search
    - Google search results are corrupt: you can move your company's output to a higher rank by paying; results are returned tgat do not contain the search expression you used Google is poor at writing good software. They now behave rather badly in many different ways.
  • How does Verizon Message+ compare to all of these?
  • It just works. I can't tell you why it is my preferred other than it just works. Typining indicator, read and delivery receipt, group chats that are all together and clear. Quality pictures and video received, gif's. Don't use stickers.
    There are a few other features I see in the conversations that I just never tried in a texting app, so don't know. Like I said, just don't understand the hype on imessage and the real difference. Could be cause I have never used an iPhone, and have no desire to.
  • My main issue with Google's app is no "mark all as read" functionality. Who wants to go into every single message to clear them as read and get the notification number back to 0? I don't understand why this basic feature is left off.
  • I use Android messages without issue. I don't care about incoming text indicators, speech bubble color, etc. My wife has an iPhone and whenever I send her pics she's never commented that the quality was poor. The only basic feature that they could easily add is the ability to pin conversation to the top. Samsungs default messaging app has this and it's VERY useful.
  • What Google needs to do with Messages is allow for more color personalization-- these hand full of primary colors just doesn't cut it.
  • It's got that air of being standard, as in a evolution of messaging, and can support sms, which is still a thing in the non techie world(which is far more than what tech sites want you to believe). Regardless of newer, easier ways to text, people are used to texting via sms, so messages has allo beat from the start, you can text anybody, on almost anything, no matter how expensive, or cheap. Yes, sms should eventually die, but as of Feb 12, 2018, it's still a thing.
  • Having switched back to Android from iPhone for good, I don't miss iMessage as WhatsApp is the go to messaging app in the UK and in Europe, where Android is the rightful king.
  • Android has the most market share everywhere. Apple doesn’t compete for market share alone. Revenue wise and satisfaction wise, it is also more than on par with Android
  • That's why Apple is getting sued for slowing down older iPhones, so much for their "customer satisfaction", Android has the most market share because it's cheaper and better quality software that's open and let's you do anything you want to your phone.
  • Why alternative ? It’s not an alternative it would be the equivalent of iMessage for Android users
  • Look iPhone are **** hence reason why cydia has not been updated and find most off the **** in it not updated bugs errors and just out right ****
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  • I've been using this app for a while. My inky issue isniccassionally I'll have my daughter who has an iClone and my wife who has a LG G6 ask me when I get home if I saw their text, only to not have anything. Happens from time to time and I can't figure out why. I'm on a SUNDAY and if not in wifi at home or my office, I have really good cell service in my area. So I hope these changes fixes that for me.