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Big changes are coming to the Android Hangouts client

As expected. Google has announced a few new features to the Android Hangouts app during their Google+ event today. There are three new features coming:

  • Locations sharing
  • Animated gif support in chats
  • SMS messaging support

We reckon the first two have their fans, and we can see that they would be useful, but let's be honest — SMS support is what everyone wanted. With Google's planned changes to the messaging API we predicted this would happen, and we're glad to see it wasn't announced as a Kit Kat-only feature.

No exact word on when we should see any updates, and Vic Gundotra simply said they were happy to announce this today. We'll be on the lookout for it, and we imagine many of you will be, too.

 
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kgh00007 says:

Happy Days! :-)

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YES, that's more like it Google!

COOL!

AndroidJay says:

What about MMS?

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nickacs says:

+1000 THIS! F SMS, I want MMS! Once this is done, we can all move to GV and be done with all these 3rd party SMS/MMS apps.

floriyann says:

What? Isnt there MMS already in the native app? Cuz i use it all the time!

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brendilon says:

It's not MMS, it's picture sharing with Hangouts only users.

frettfreak says:

which, honestly, is 1000 times better than mms where is takes your picture down to a crappy size and makes it look like garbage!

brendilon says:

it is a better image, but it only goes to Hangouts users.

TBolt says:

Which is why everyone you know ought to switch to Hangouts.

mstrblueskys says:

Are we sure MMS won't be handled like a message in a messaging app?

turdbogls says:

NO, people are just assuming since he didn't mention it, it wont be in there. i think, and hope, it will. but then again, i am not a big picture sender over MMS simply because it usually comes out like crap on the other end.

dchawk81 says:

Just like texting itself, it isn't ideal but it's universal.

dchawk81 says:

Just like texting itself, it isn't ideal but it's universal.

semahjiscool says:

How is texting not ideal?

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rwong48 says:

Bound to a phone number and device, and aged protocol - MMS is a shitty protocol and SMS is a little less shitty.

I want to reach someone agnostic of their phone number (what if they change it?) or their device (what if it breaks? what if they lose it? what if they have 2-5 devices?) or the country they're in (just works over data)

dchawk81 says:

160 character limit, only uses voice connection, etc.

It's not terrible and it's all I use other than Facebook but it's certainly not perfect aka ideal.

Wollombi says:

I like that it's independent of a data connection, though. That is one area where SMS wins.

brendilon says:

It is. There are certainly advantages to SMS, there are also drawbacks. The beauty of options.

wkm001 says:

Until voice over LTE becomes standard. Everything will be IP data at that point.

brendilon says:

Yes. MMS support is a big deal and would have been explicitly mentioned.

floriyann says:

But my sister doesnt use hangout. But still i can send pics to her via the native sms app. So im a bit confuse of what u guys are talking about

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Ryandroid86 says:

Considering they put the ability to send Gifs, and Map locations... It has MMS.

dchawk81 says:

No, it has photo sharing. It's not the same.

If I can't sent a picture to a basic flip phone, it's not MMS.

hero_over says:

What I am most excited about is that hangouts doubles as a video chat service that can incorporate multiple people into one "hangout". Now gone are the days of iPhone users exclusively being capable of video chatting whilst not being intelligent enough to download an app for it. This should finally build off the facetime moniker and boost sales overall of android once they have a well-made commercial for it!

sensory says:

I really hope that along with animated GIFs they've made Hangouts a little more responsive than it currently is. Nexus 7 2012 here and Hangouts has been known to hang at times. Needless to say it's atrocious on my old HTC Desire.

turdbogls says:

agreed....takes a good 4 seconds to load on my G-nex.
although it is amost instant on my 2013 Nexus 7 (and never actually hangs)

codemonkey85 says:

So will SMS use Google Voice or your carrier?

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Flyer00 says:

Your carrier. Not everyone uses GV.

eahinrichsen says:

I hope there's an option to route it through Voice. I've been using GV as my sole mobile number for years. I don't even know my carrier number off the top of my head.

danyzfr6 says:

This.

Right there with ya. My girlfriend asked what number I called her from the other day because I forgot to set up GV on the new LG G2.

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Wicket says:

+1000

Limjelo says:

Will someone please explain what SMS support really means?

How does it impact me communicating with a friend who uses Hangouts or normal SMS through our carriers versus a friend who isn't on Gmail/Hangouts and we only communicate through normal SMS via our carriers?

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dwd3885 says:

we don't know yet.

nickacs says:

Exactly.. most of my friends that I current SMS/MMS with are iOS users. Seems like this doesn't help nothing on this Hangout update?!?

Ryandroid86 says:

Since it has SMS support... anyone can text you from any phone and it will go to the hangouts app. Its full SMS support. Send and receive messages from your phone number.

frettfreak says:

except hangouts is available on ios too. if you all switched to hangouts it would be a much better experience. ESPECIALLY with group chats. Cause most phones now convert that to an MMS for groups. Which works but is a pain! Not to mention you would be able to share full size, not shrunk down photos.

I agree. That has been one of the worst parts about people sending group texts from iPhone. You see everyones reply, even people you do not know.

When I receive a text from a person I know uses an iPhone, I make sure to not reply to that specific message, but I create a new message to that person so who knows who does not see what I am saying.

Jonneh says:

I can not even count on both of my hands how many times I have received replies to someone ELSE'S message (I was simply included in the send out) from complete strangers...it is incredibly frustrating.

evostudios says:

+1 yeah I would like to see more info about what sms support exactly means

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Jamaar White says:

It means you can use Hangouts to SMS with anyone even iOS people using standard app. Think of Facebook Messenger.

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Suntan says:

I too am eagerly waiting for more clarification. Specifically, those few people that "just use the text app that came with their phone," can those be fully integrated into hangouts. And by fully integrated, can you send to and receive from them, texts without charge? (no text allotment on our plan)

-Suntan

Maoriz X says:

You can use hangouts to send sms.

If they have hangouts installed, then it will appear on their hangouts app.
If they don't have hangouts installed, it will appear as a normal sms.

It's mainly for those that use hangouts, they don't have to keep swapping between the sms app and hangouts app, they can just use the one app.

intrepid359 says:

Good point. I've been looking for an app that enables me to send and receive text messages from my Wi-Fi only tablet, preferably using my existing phone number. I'm not sure if that's possible.

ayg says:

Mighty Text. Install the app on your phone, the tablet app on your tablet and use the chrome plug in for sending from your desktop. Works great and I've used it for at least a year.

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brendilon says:

Google Voice. The app is nothing remarkable, but it works.

ayg says:

Doesn't work with existing phone numbers... I've held on to one relationship for over a decade, its the ongoing commitment I have to my current cell phone number.

brendilon says:

I hear you, I only recently let go of mine. I'd been using GV almost exclusively for several years anyhow.
You might look into porting it to Google Voice, you can do that now.

poglad says:

Yeah except that it's probably going to stop working under 4.4 unless you're prepared to let Mighty Text be your only SMS-enabled app. In which case, this whole Hangouts shebang doesn't really apply anyway lol.

turdbogls says:

you can text from hangouts to anyone. if they have hangouts and are active users, the message will go out as an actual message (using data)
if they use something other than hangouts for messaging, it will send as a text message (over cellular connection) to their phone as an incoming text.

poglad says:

Yeah he never actually *said* any of that - unless you were watching a different presentation than I was.

mstrblueskys says:

Think of it it like iMessage for iPhone or facebook message. They can handle your texts and messages in one app. Texting will look like a hangout.

ddot196 says:

It means you can now send an SMS message to anyone through hangouts. Simple. This is to be expected and I'm glad to finally see that it is coming. Been waiting on this feature. Hate having multiple messaging apps.

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Limjelo says:

So then Hangouts can become your default all-in-one messaging app and contains both SMS conversations between two phone numbers in addition to Hangout Chats?

Jamaar White says:

Yes

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shaggie04 says:

that's the way I understand it.

vbockius says:

that is the idea.... yes

Ed Burns says:

Yes.

regression says:

I assume Google Hangouts will need to be installed on your phone and your phone turned on for this to work. And, I would suspect your phone would need to have a data connection (either mobile data or wifi) for this to work. I am anxiously waiting more details on this.

Mo ZedEl says:

It would need a data connection for the hangouts feature but SMS doesn't require it.

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brendilon says:

You generally do need your phone to be turned on to send/receive SMS, yes.
I would expect the features to be available on desktop as well though.

regression says:

Right, but for the feature to be available on the desktop, I assume the SMS would come to my phone, Hangouts would pick it up and send it to wherever I am signed into Hangouts, desktop or tablet, via data. Like I said, I am anxious for Google to release more details on this.

brendilon says:

Not necessarily. I get texts to my moile number forwarded to my Google Voice when my phone is turned off. If Google can intercept messages sent that way for one purpose, I would hope they could send them to Hangouts instead of to Google Voice.

Yes, this feature is yet to be seen, but I suspect that messages sent strictly as SMS will be sent to the phone only. Will be even more awesome if it does support this though.

Again, this is just a guess...we'll all have to wait and see.

poglad says:

Facebook Messenger on Android already supports exactly what was announced today. And guess what - it's not very exciting. We're all filling in the blanks of what we WANT it to do, but if it does only what Facebook does then basically you can send/receive texts (and not seamlessly either, you have to decide whether to reply via text or via data), and when you use it in Chrome your SMS messages are magically not there. Worst case scenario, that's what it will be.

poglad says:

Oh my, you can't turn around can you - Facebook dropped their SMS support today, and Hangouts picked it up! But I still hope it will do more than Facebook's did.

hodan says:

No. It just works. Magical.

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poglad says:

LOL! :-)

zackmack7 says:

Wondering if this SMS Support in Hangouts going to work similar to iMessage.

For example, the message app on iOS sends messages between two iOS devices as an iMessage. But when the device receiving the message is sending to a non iOS device, it just gets send as a regular SMS text.

fastblack#CB says:

Hoping it works like this too.

smallfrys says:

I'm hoping it doesn't, unless they use existing Google Voice numbers, at least as an option. iMessage requires you to have a texting plan with your carrier for when a non-iOS user sends you a message. I save $10/mo per phone on my plan by not having texts.

turdbogls says:

wondering if you will be able to input your GV number into hangouts and have it handle things that way. I am just not a GV user so not even sure how this will work, if at all.

rlb says:

How does the message app on the iphone know if the receiving device is ios or android? It is using just the persons phone #, right?

olues says:

All this wait for a kit kat bar is killing me slowly!

Sent from my SM-N900 using the S-Pen

olues says:

All this wait for a kit kat bar is killing me slowly!

Sent from my SM-N900 using the S-Pen

Yayay I'm watching for the update but I'm sure it will take a couple days.... but where are yall seeing these releseses at I don't see anything on the live stream besides a banner saying when it starts....

Matt Lucas says:

The big improvement this could offer is native SMS messaging from a non cellular device. IE, tablet and such.
Yes i know but screw google voice app, it sucks.

intrepid359 says:

This is what I'm hoping for!

Would love if I could text from my Nexus 7 through my nexus 4 like mightytext.

zackmack7 says:

Exactly! I use Mightytext on my nexus 7. it gets the job done, but using Hangouts to text SMS on the Nexus 7 would be much better. Just like you can send iMessages from an iPad

Barb d says:

if all formats of phones can use this GREAT.... But it still needs like a "face time"......

Mo ZedEl says:

Hangouts has a facetime-like feature called video calling

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shaggie04 says:

What? It's always done video chat (or at least has for a very long time) if that's what you mean.

Ryandroid86 says:

It kills me when people say this.... Stop with the "face time" thing like its superior. It sucks, and only works over Wifi. Both Google Hangouts and Tango are better video calling applications.

codiusprime says:

and only works over Wifi

Pretty sure that's not accurate.

Ryandroid86 says:

iPhone 4 cant. And iPhone 4s or higher can work... depending on you carrier and which plan you have. any restriction to me... means it doesnt work.

I didnt use Hangouts before.... but now that im not restricted... Ill be using it. Proudly too.

intrepid359 says:

Actually, it's improper to refer to any soft of video chat as "face time." Face Time is a half-assed "me too" function that was released far behind everyone else. Face Time is not a standard to measure against, so it doesn't define the idea of video chats. So, if you wanted to say that it still needs video chat, you would be better of saying that it could use a video chat feature, or "that craptastic proprietary Apple function that isn't really useful for anyone who knows at least 1 other important person without an overpriced Apple product, otherwise known as 'Face Time.'"

Not only does Hangouts already have video calling, it can even do group video calls, which can be started directly from the message stream. Unless it was a recently added feature, I'm pretty sure Apple's Face Time only supports 1to1 video calls.

I've used Hangouts' video chat a few times, and while I'm not a huge fan of video calling from my cell phone in general, it works just as well as Face Time as far as I can tell.

Notajediyet says:

Goodbye stock messenger app; you can join the stock calendar and internet apps in the "I don't use you anymore" folder.

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I'm disappointed that the new hangouts update doesn't seem to mention integration with Google Voice. Not even voice calling which iOS has!!!!

I really want to ditch the antiquated GV app for messaging.

brendilon says:

Pure guess: It's possible the voice calling will be KitKat only, which would make it a feature that would be announced at the KitKat event.

Tre Lawrence says:

I'd like to know if the combined SMS functionality will include the ability to text with my GV number (that being my "main" number).

Yeah that would almost be better than voice calls. At least I can continue to use GrooveIP in the mean time but the GV app is just bad for messaging.

jengobengo says:

I agree...it's so weird to see no mention of Google Voice anywhere these days. It's become clear that I should give up hope of the service really evolving and that I should instead start praying it doesn't get removed.

Honestly, what are the chances they work to integrate it better in the Google ecosystem? It seems very Google Reader-ish right now :/

brendilon says:

I think it eventually gets merged into Hangouts. Just my feeling.

MetalMike901 says:

Sweet! Bout time Goog! Oh, and Blackberry who? Hangouts owns BB.

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Dperks17 says:

Cool! Now where is the nexus 5!!!!!!!!!!!!?

n0obpr0 says:

You can't make everybody happy lol Google worked hard for this update and some people still complaining. Eat a Kit-Kat.

brendilon says:

Seriously. Still the best messaging app out there.

cokeblack says:

No Hangouts VOIP on Android? Google forgot something.

Tre Lawrence says:

So... forgive me for being slow, but does the SMS piece include Google Voice?

n0obpr0 says:

nope

carraser891 says:

I wish Google would explain this better lol. so is it like imessage now?

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CoolBeit says:

I'm actually incredibly disappointed with this announced update. iOS now has google voice/voip support - where is ours? Hopefully it's a feature that gets integrated into 4.4 because this is pretty annoying.

Likely, the features that are most important to Google+ was talked about today. The remaining features will be talked about with 4.4 release.

I'm only disappointed that they left so many open questions. A solid demo of all this working would have been great.

CoolBeit says:

I hope you're right. But voip/gv calling from hangouts on your phone seems like it would have been mentioned in a discussion about a hangouts update.

spock123 says:

Soooooo am I the only one here that doesn't give a s*** about SMS (and Voice for that matter) integration?

Must have been months since my last SMS, I really don't recall it any more.. :)

Well, that's nice.

Some of us still have friends and family who use SMS, mmmkay?

As for voice, that's pretty cool. The more we are able to do over wifi the better, becuase eventually wifi will be so ubiquitous that the carriers will _have_ to compete with it on price.

spock123 says:

If you still have friends and family that use SMS to communicate, you should break off communication with them instantly :)

Nah, of course this is a great thing. I was just wondering about the amount of people requesting this feature for so long. Must be really important, and that kinda blew my mind.

It would be nice if they just rolled the phone dialer, GV, and Hangouts all together.
Seems silly to have
the phone 'app', dialer to call someone
GV to txt / viewing messages
Hangouts to also txt and potentially mms and do video calls.

DQSooner says:

That would indeed be a winner.

gorgalis says:

So here is what I am wondering. Will I be able to text from my iPad or Android tablet?

Let's say I receive a SMS on my phone from someone who does not use Hangouts. Since Hangouts is receiving the text, will it sync with the Google servers and show up on my tablet? In that case, my reply would then be sent from my tablet, to the Google servers, sync with Hangouts on my phone, and be sent as an SMS to the recipient who does not use Hangouts.

This is what I want.

Then this is what you shall recieve.

Maybe.

At this point, only Google knows how all this will work.

Frawlz says:

OK... so if I make this my default SMS app on my phone and someone sends me an MMS... how will my phone receive it?

brendilon says:

Unknown.

A popup would ask you if you'd like to open it in the Gallery Just Once or Always.

/s

shaggie04 says:

That's what I want to know too. I want to go all-in on Hangouts, but I want to get all my messages. I guess I'll just test it when I get the update!

I wonder if Google is dragging their feet with Hangouts/Voice VOIP since there are already fairly usable alternatives like GrooveIP in the market making it less urgent? I mean iOS has it but was there previously a way to use Google Voice for calls on iOS at all?

Ummm... no.

As others have mentioned, the Kit-Kat rollout will probably bring more features to Hangouts/GV.
They likely only covered the features most relevant to Google+ users today.

dchawk81 says:

I bought GrooveIP. GrooveIP is not a solution. It doesn't work properly. It's not stopping Google from doing VoIP.

CoolBeit says:

You and I have different definitions of "usable."

In all seriousness, I thought about this too, but since it was part of the iOS app update, it would be very surprising if the Android app didn't get the same feature.

Maybe it depends on the phone but it works perfectly on my S4 GPE as long as I have 1 bar or better of HSPA. On LTE and Wifi voice quality is just as good if not better than standard carrier voice calls.

rkopsie says:

I just died.. and came back to life LOL finally sms support......

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GoGetemB says:

Now add some dark holo goodness...

esbuenodun says:

I'm the last android hold out amongst my iPhone friends. We have group chat (iMessage/cyanogenmod) and send pics and meme back and forth. We still don't know if it supports picture messaging with other messaging services?

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DQSooner says:

My question is how it will integrate with iPhones for people receiving SMS (or MMS) from me. Lots of my iOS friends have hangouts for video chat, etc but still use the stock messaging app for texting since Apple won't let them choose other apps for defaults and they rarely if ever check their Hangouts app for anything else. I'm curious if I will have the option to choose whether a message is sent as SMS or (whatever Google wants to call the Hangouts messages I suppose) to my iPhone friends and family or if the app will recognize them as a Hangouts connection and automatically deliver the messages there. I'm a little worried that they won't be looking in the right app for messages that I send them but we'll have to wait and see I suppose. Still an exciting development!

I think it will be two threads like Facebook messenger. I know that's not what we want, but I'm calling it

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I hate to be pessimistic, but I predict we will all be dissatisfied when this rolls out. I can't see this being the iMessage beater we want. I bet it will be more like the fractured approach Facebook messenger integration took.

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Eddster says:

Oh gosh I sure hope not.

Google's Blog says:

"The Android app and video calling features will be available in a few days, while the On Air improvements will roll out over the next few weeks."

I wouldn't mind seeing something like chat heads integrated eventually.

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15israellai says:

What everyone wanted? At least I never asked for it or anything...not like I dislike it though.

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jdot104 says:

Does this mean SMS on Android will officially be supporting the emoji used in Hangouts?

No

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terrrrrible says:

Doesn't appear to be fully working yet, it seems. I have friends with gmail accounts / Android phones, but to my knowledge don't use hangouts. I tried it last night; deleted an existing hangout I had with someone, tried to start a new one and picked their phone number contact from the list. When I tried to send it, they never received it / it looked like it was a normal hangout message, not an SMS. Didn't see anywhere to specify how I was sending it either.

Just tried it with someone who doesn't have a gmail address in their profile. Went to pick their contact to send, and I got an option to "Invite to Hangouts via:" and it lists all of their contact information. It doesn't look like it's going to send an SMS, but try to get them to install Hangouts instead.

bigtank says:

imho all this sounds like merging GV capabilities that exist currently under the Hangouts banner....Am I missing something?

About time. I tell every android user to use hangouts anyway. It's alot better than stock messaging. Hope they integrate it something similar to apples imessage

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BoB16731 says:

has this ever rolled out ?

My hangouts app for some reason never lets me send a message. I always get message not send try again error. No matter what device.

hsaddiq99 says:

Has anybody actually received this update yet?

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