CIQ

Say hello to my little friend

Yep. That's exactly what it looks like — Carrier IQ running on AT&T's new LG G2. Robstunner in our forums was poking around on his new G2, as Android users are prone to do, and found this lurking there, like the monster under the bed. Unless you're rooted, you're not going to be able to get it off or stop it from doing its business, either.

I'm not going to tell you how to feel about this one. Carrier IQ — when correctly implemented — is no more invasive than all the other loggers and system trackers manufacturers and carriers install on every phone. But I'm not about to suggest that this makes it OK. That's for you to decide. 

My only suggestion if you want to be free of all this sort of hidden software is to use a burner Tracfone. Comments are open, have at it.

Source: G2 Forums

 
There are 58 comments

drokssilva says:

Why should the carriers now anything about me? I mean they already know plenty, and I give them money so why?

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Because they can, and somewhere nestled in all of the papers you sign/click during your account creation you agree to it. It helps them get statistics about how their phones and networks are being used, and apparently not enough people care that much about it and keep using the carriers. Nobody has given them any reason NOT to do it.

SarahNaples says:

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Gekko says:

I thought the carriers agreed to nix this after the big media storm a couple years ago?

One more reason to go Nexus.

OK everyone check their device with this "Carrier IQ Detector" App and report back here.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector

Peter Blanco says:

Posting from my Verizon LG G2, I can confirm the Verizon G2 does not have it at least according to this app. Shocking, something bad Verizon actually didn't do?!

jdh10475 says:

What Verizon uses is made by another company so they do have a "form" of carrier IQ on your phone.

Verizon uses the NSA as their "Carrier IQ" :P

Gekko says:

Thanks. My Sprint G-Nex tests negative. Not really a surprise but you never know.

unglued94ta says:

Att galaxy s4. Nothing here

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crazace says:

No sprint device should have it. They said that they took it off all phones when updates for them came out and said that it wasnt going to put the crap back on.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/sprint-now-removing-carrier-iq-softwar...

I hope this story blows up on the internet and the carriers remove it. I really I would like to buy this phone.

Or win one from AC.

jonathan3579 says:

There's a thread on XDA about it too. (I believe it's been around longer than what was brought up here.) Both the AT&T and T-Mobile have it although Verizon's variant has no signs of it.

frettfreak says:

tmo loves them some carrierIQ.

jonathan3579 says:

Hell yes they do! On the other hand, you have the option to opt-out if you choose. (I still question whether that does anything or not.)

frettfreak says:

yeah, i was wondering that too.

JHBThree says:

It disables it. I did that with my G2, and it reads as it being present but inactive. T-mobile also makes it clear that you can opt out, so if you do they wouldn't violate that choice. (T-mobile seems to be generally more responsive in this area than Verizon or AT&T)

tdizzel says:

Key words "when correctly implemented" if it then there's nothing to worry about. If not, well that's a horse of a different color

still1 says:

just an FYI this is bloatware too.

How did locate it? My brother just got the G2 from Verizon today and I want to see if it is on his as well.

newboyx says:

Reports are that it is not on the VZW version.

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mlacla22 says:

They probably have their own form of this hiding in there somewhere.

codiusprime says:

That's the point though, all carriers and manufacturers have some form of this on their phones. Some will be more invasive some will be less but you're foolish if you think your phone is completely free of this stuff (hence the burner phone suggestion).

NoNexus says:

And another reason to root and ROM. I generally will trust a dev more than a carrier. Especially if I want a 'stock, skinned' ROM with all the bloat stripped out. Scotts roms are where I usually start with a new device

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robstunner says:

Hey im famous! Yea, I don't appreciate the spying type (even if its "innocent"), which is why im on a CIQ-free Moto X :) There is no reason I shouldn't have ANY wakelock because AT&T is doing R&D with what im doing on my phone.

Gekko says:

Does the app I reference above catch it?

benhmadison says:

I tried the app on my Att moto x and it says I do not have it.

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robstunner says:

The CIQ decection apps all catch it, XDA has a how to on how to block the CIQ agents but you need to be rooted. Moto X does not have CIQ.

Razieltov says:

You do know that Google knows everything about you. And the moto x is always listening to you.

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frettfreak says:

there is a difference between always listening for a specific word... and always listening and recording whats going on and transmitting to servers somewhere.

TenshiNo says:

+1

carraser891 says:

well AT&T is the most evil of all the carriers....

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Gekko says:

No I vote Verizon.

return_0 says:

+9001

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A895 says:

Ehhh, I think AT&T.I have nationwide 4GLTE, no dropped calls and its unlimited data. So I'm good.

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Peter Blanco says:

I second that.

Peter Blanco says:

I second that.

Razieltov says:

Dumbest comment ever.

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dan1431 says:

I often wonder, do the people who make the decisions realize that if something is nefarious or quasi nefarious techies will find it and expose it.

I realize that CIQ is potentially not a problem, but seriously what were the people thinking who Green Lighted the inclusion of CIQ?

Dan

Impulses says:

They were thinking they'd get tons of usable data, and they probably did... CIQ may have been a high profile amongst enthusiasts but the average Joe probably never heard of CIQ or forgot about it already, and it's not like enthusiast's opinion were gonna sway the average Joe one way or the other since most carriers and several OEM were using it.

huckerco says:

Im such a baller my G2 is my burner...

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Peter Blanco says:

Posting from my Verizon LG G2, I can confirm the Verizon G2 does not have it at least according to this app. Shocking, something bad Verizon actually didn't do?

cadzilla74 says:

No CarrierIQ on AT&T HTC ONE ... yet. 4.3 rollout is coming soon. I'll be checking it again after that.

Odd they would single out the G2 for it.

They just changed the name. Look in Settings > About > Tell HTC and error reporting.

Every phone from every carrier has something like this. Smart OEM's let you turn it off (or say you're turning it off). Keeping the name Carrier IQ was a pretty stupid move on this one. That name is ruined.

JHBThree says:

I'm pretty sure HTC confirmed they never used it in any form, but were asked to do so by carriers.

Impulses says:

Doesn't HTC's error reporting tool actually ask you for permission each and every time an error occurs and it wants to phone home tho? Or does it invariably phone home at other times regardless of crashes etc?

dan1431 says:

Agreed, CIQ is a tarnished brand and I am scratching my head wondering why at&t would allow it's inclusion, just call it something else.

Granted I do not work in the consumer space, but after having an issue with a sub vendor doing some naughty things my employer was quick to respond and from now on QC ensures that their name and more importantly their products no longer appears in our products.

Dan

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cadzilla74 says:

Makes sense they'd rename it. Is that path correct? I looked all over my ONE's settings including Help>About and see no reference to "Tell HTC" or error reporting. Or do you have to be root to see it?

ayg says:

I wouldn't say the G2 is singled out. Its on the LG G Pro that came out in May also.

Hahah serves as a good punishment for buying such a shitty phone. Get a blackberry.

MERCDROID says:

Why buy a phone, from a company that does not know how to execute? I'd sooner buy a Windows Phone or an iPhone. At least, those platforms have a future in the consumer market. No thanks, but nice try anyway, lol.

Isn't it past your bedtime?

hmmm says:

Yeah, buy a phone from a company that probably won't be around to support it in a month?

Robbzilla says:

Who the hell is Blackberry? Didn't they used to make pagers or something?

Phonication says:

I have an AT&T Optimus G, the predecessor to this phone, and it doesn't have it. Odd they would start with the 2nd gen

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Ellett says:

And this is why I'd rather use smoke signals than return to AT&T.

JHBThree says:

The T-mobile version does have it, but you can turn it off. The Supercurio authored IQ detector app verifies that its inactive when you turn it off.

Also, the mere presence of it is not cause for alarm...yet. After the original episode, and the blowback, there were likely significant changes to how the software works and how the data is handled. It is simply too early to be reacting with 'ZOMG CARRIER IQ!!!!!!111111' when we have no idea what the current software implementation entails.

TheDu9du says:

How you know it won't "start at boot"

TheDu9du says:

I had already given up the idea of this phone as the screen has gorilla glass 2 and I'm sure I'll crack the screen in about four months. The size makes it too big to add a case to it. I know I would be too uncomfortable with it.

Robbzilla says:

That's your only suggestion?

Here's a better suggestion: Rom the damn thing and get rid of all carrier crapola, because I'm pretty sure they dev community will have a ROM with that POS stripped out by the time this article is a day or two old, if they already haven't.