Samsung feels brunt of iPhone 6 launch, shares plummet to two-year low

Samsung has experienced quite the downturn after hitting lowest share prices since 2012. The Bloomberg report details some factors leading to this drop, including Apple's recent release of the iPhone 6 and analysts lowering profit estimations.

The company lost 2.3 percent on the market, falling to 1,161,000 won. It doesn't sound like much of a turn, until one considers the $30 billion being wiped from Samsung's market value. The company has started to face tough competition from other manufacturers, as well as Apple, which recently announced over 10 million iPhone 6 devices were sold during the launch weekend.

Samsung Securities Co. reduced its profit estimate to 4.7 trillion won, down from 5.7 trillion won, noting in a report yesterday that "its smartphones have lost appeal -- as evidenced by the solid performances of high-end Chinese models and unexpectedly strong iPhone 6 pre-orders."

It's no secret that Samsung already invests heavily in marketing campaigns, but it will be interesting to see how the company bolsters its defenses when it comes to market share, especially with the Galaxy Alpha and the Galaxy Note 4 making the rounds.

Source: BusinessWeek

Rich Edmonds
  • Maybe next year they'll be smart enough to release phones on time.. I was hoping the Note Edge would be in my hand right now, especially with all the great promotions this month, but nope..
  • lol note edge
  • Same here. My current phone has an issue with the screen and needs to be replaced. I may not want to wait for the Note.
  • This is truly insignificant and holds no baring to current Galaxy Note product owners. The people buying the Apple iphone 6 and 6 Plus are people who have been walking around since 2007 with sad little 3.5 and 4 inch smartphones. It's easy to bate Apple users because they are technology simpletons people who don't have a clue even if you gave it to them Apple knows their sheep. It's drastically clear that the creators who made the phablet category prominent today has the better proven product so easily it's pretty comical truthfully. The Apple iPhone 6 Plus isn't better than my current Galaxy Note 3 and will never touch the Galaxy Note 4 as well this isn't 2012 any longer. True Galaxy Note owners walk around worldwide already knowing they have the proven legitimate product with industry leading multitasking/productivity and industry leading battery life unparalleled. Apple coming to the phablet category with a inferior product android users would never purchase cause they know better. 98 days shy of 2015 Apple releases a 2012 Galaxy Note 2 and perpetrating a fraud to it's Apple user base of course they bought but don't know any better. From my Galaxy Note 3 on T-Mobile via Android Central App
  • You forget: "nothing else matters" lol
  • It's a corporation, not a religion. Get a grip. Posted via Android Central App
  • Apple is a RELIGION Posted via Android Central App
  • Yeh, I am not so sure followers of other platforms are any different. In fact they seem to be the worst kind of religion, constantly voicing their opinion and professing their superiority.
  • Shopping stores are indeed the new temples of 20th and 21st century and brand names our Deities. Just like in any religion, there are moderate, extremists and agnostics :) Posted via the Android Central App on VZW Moto X
  • Agreed. Android uses are just as sheepish as fans on all the other platforms yet are always the first to call iPhone users "sheep" and "simpletons" It's just as sheepish when you are running off to buy every Nexus product because it runs "stock android". Same freaking mentality.
  • Apple Akbar! Posted from my LG LS970 via "The Force"
  • Precisely!!! Posted via the Android Central App
  • For the first time ever I agree with this douche. Posted via Android Central App
  • Cool picture of SSJG2 Vegeta dude. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I know of quite a few Note owners who are considered the 6+. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I'm sure sorry I bought a note 3.
  • Why?
  • Yep I'm getting a 6+ Posted via the Android Central App
  • Wait for the second batch of production or put on a case or don't put in your front or back pocket. It bends. Nothing wrong with bending, the problem is when it doesn't bend back.
  • Richard I'm fairly new here as I am a former isheep. I notice your post are usually disliked by those who have been privy to your comments of past so I'll tread lightly here.....I must say regarding this comment, I think I agree with you. Posted via Android Central App from Samsung Note 3 or Surface Pro 3
  • go away... everything that comes out of your mouth is ass backwards and rarely makes actual sense... i'd say go back to (fill in the blank) but im not sure if you're allowed anywhere anymore... how many bans you at now, dick? 10? 20? Posted via the Android Central App
  • Your good at baiting everyone, give yourself more credit than that:) Nexus 5
  • *You're Posted via the Android Central App
  • Funny how every reviewer who, you know, actually has has an iPhone 6 *in his hands*, thinks otherwise. It must be all the drugs Apple gives away for free with their phones. I mean, just look at the photo at the top of the article, isn't it just OBVIOUS, which phone a sane person would rather want?
  • "It's easy to bate Apple users because they are technology simpletons people who don't have a clue even if you gave it to them Apple knows their sheep." How did you obtain this fascinating insight?
  • *bait Posted via the Android Central App
  • ive owned notes since the originally and im switching to apple and I know plenty others that switched. Lot of android users wanted iphones but didn't want the little screens so now a lot are switching.
  • Doesn't matter. The sheep are united in a multi-national Apple Love Fest . . . . experiencing orgasms as they flash their iPhones at one another at the local Starbucks.
  • Samsung is the Global Worldwide leader of handsets sold at well over 250 billion. Samsung owns the android platform since May 2011 nobody on the android platform can compete period. 7 out of 10 purchased android handsets are Galaxy products in the United States and Worldwide clearly Samsung isn't worried about anything. Media and technology sites drum up this propaganda unnecessarily while Samsung laughs to the bank daily. You can take pitiful Htc, dreadful Motorola, pathetic Sony, Huawei, Lg, and the famed Nexus line products and put them all together and revenue wise they couldn't be Samsung profits. At the end of the day Samsung users will always buy Samsung products period nothing else matters. From my Galaxy Note 3 on T-Mobile via Android Central App
  • You do know that when you type the symbol "." is called a period, so there is no need to spell out the word "period" after every statement. Period. Posted via Android Central App
  • Don't worry about what I say worry more about what you buy I speak from experience most of you folk don't purchase yearly products. From my Galaxy Note 3 on T-Mobile via Android Central App
  • You'll be surprise how many long time follows of this site buy phone every year, some even more.
    I have the tendency of buying a new phone from a different manufacturer every year.
    Posted via the Android Central App
  • I agree with what you say Samsung devices are great. But there Warranty is atrocious. I have left the Samsung camp based on there warranty service. I own a Nexus 5 now is it better then my Note 2 I would say "not". But I had an issue with my Nexus and Google sent me a new one at home without any questions. I did not have to drop it off at a Samsung repair shop and they had to keep it for 2 weeks and then get back to me. Let them fix there warranty and then I say they will become the best Smartphone company. They have great devices, with a horrible after purchase support.
  • All the Android flagship makers make solid devices. Just because Samsung is the one that meets your needs doesn't mean that its the only one that is worth using. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Don't sweat richard dude, he's an idiot
  • if we're not supposed to worry about what you say so us a favor and don't say it Posted via the Android Central App
  • Lol get a load of this fat boy Posted via the Android Central App
  • Chronophilis....actually spelling out the word 'period' is used to emphasize a statement and is actually effective. It's not at all the same as typing a ".". It's an accepted figure of speech. Just sayin'. Posted via Android Central App from Samsung Note 3 or Surface Pro 3
  • Hang around a few more months, and then you'll understand why everyone picks on richardyarrel ;) Dude can be a little... high strung.
  • Richard is an idiot... Posted via the Android Central App
  • I believe he was making a joke...
  • I agree with what you say Samsung devices are great. But there Warranty is atrocious. I have left the Samsung camp based on the warranty service they offer. I own a Nexus 5 now is it better then my Note 2 I would say "not". But I had an issue with my Nexus and Google sent me a new one at home without any questions. I did not have to drop it off at a Samsung repair shop and they had to keep it for 2 weeks and then get back to me. Let them fix there warranty and then I say they will become the best Smartphone company. They have great devices, with a horrible after purchase support.
  • Okay seriously do you read any of this shit out loud before you post. You should try it. Maybe you'll twig why people are laughing at you. Posted via Android Central App
  • Yes because everyone wants to pay 600 bucks for a phone with a plastic band aid back.
  • You're a one-off! Your comment " Samsung isn't worried about anything." is the problem in a nutshell. It reminds me of the position BBRY was in when APPL appeared on the scene... I also regret to have to inform you that the stock market doesn't seem to follow your line of thinking and, to judge by Samsung's attempts to bring forward the Note 4 release, neither do they.
  • "At the end of the day Samsung users will always buy Samsung products period nothing else matters." That's.... that's not how it works. At all.
  • ...astroturfing moron. GFY
  • That's a lot of won.
  • It's like a won ton!
  • Lol
  • Maybe now they will refresh their UI or follow the trend towards a more vanilla UI.
  • That's not what masses want Posted via the Android Central App
  • How do you know? Posted via the Android Central App
  • Because then Samsung would never had become 50% of all Android devices sold. That's what a few insignificant trolls whine about on the internet, as they have nothing better to do. And the ones growing fastest now comes with buggy iOS clone skins... So....
  • Samsung took over 50 percent of the Android market, not because their skins are the best. But because they were the best at telling the general consumer their skins were the best. Marketing will reel in most average consumers. Posted via Android Central App
  • That is a valid point but the gs3 was a worthy iPhone competitor, and the first to shake things up Posted via the Android Central App
  • Good point, especially true considering the best Android phone so far this year according to most tech blogs; the HTC M8 is not even in the conversation when it comes to iPhone. Posted via the Android Central App
  • When I go to look at the phones at the store, people doesn't even give the M8 a glance, and it's so nice quality and the UI is actually smooth and fast. They does straight for the Samsung. The masses doesn't know what they want always.
  • If it turns into a battle of simplicity, i turn to motorola, not htc. Honestly, I've owned the m8 and i would prefer an iPhone over it. That's just me, I'm not speaking for everyone. Samsung wins in hardware. Their battle isn't fought on software grounds like most devices Posted via the Android Central App
  • You sound so misguided it's comical From my Galaxy Note 3 on T-Mobile via Android Central App
  • you sound like you have internet access inside padded walls Posted via the Android Central App
  • And what marketing are the likes of Huawei, ZTE and the other Chinese brands using? Most people prefer TouchWiz over a "clean" Android. Because a "clean" Android is synonymous with "You have to figure out yourself which apps to get to do what your phone could be doing out of the box". Only about 1%, or at best 2-3% cares about customisability, Samsung cares more about the needs of those other 97-99% instead of the loud minority. I'm really grateful of that myself, because I wouldn't like to have a feature-agnostic phone like a Nexus myself.
  • BS. You mean bloat that people complain about. People know what apps they do need except very few that are advanced. Unless TouchWiz is showing people new stuff everyday, I don't think people care for the bloat. Posted via Android Central App
  • Think about it for a second, for an average consumer, is plain going to be preferential to flair? I'm not making the point that tw is better necessarily, don't misunderstand. But most people would rather have "options" than plain ui. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Because he's done extensive market research and has hosted focus groups so he has his finger on the pulse of the masses.
  • I have. Go look at m8 sales numbers and get back to me. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Htc doesn't have the marketing muscle to plaster ads all over the Internet and on tv....if they did have that at samsungs level, the m8 would probably be the best selling android phone of the year
  • The masses don't know what they want Posted via Nexus 7 2013 or Galaxy S5
  • Valid point, but i still disagree. I think people prefer "features" over "no features" Posted via the Android Central App
  • I can understand that point without question. But I also truly believe that most of these "features" you speak of can be found in google play. I think skins are great for what they were when vanilla Android didn't have any features at all now I believe it has enough and with the L release on the horizon those features should only increase.
  • +100000 Posted via the Android Central App
  • Speak for yourself Posted via...The One
  • Why should Samsung follow others, when Samsung is still the leader? Vanilla Android is bland and boring. I don't care for the "brightness" of the TouchWiz launcher, so I use Nova, but I do love the features that Samsung brings to the table.
  • +1 Posted via the Android Central App
  • Check out Xposed Framework before complaining about "bland and boring" vanilla. All Samsung features beside UV sensor is available for vanilla Android. One-handed mode etc - everything works. MultiWindow? Works great and so forth. Floating apps? No problems either. So if you want "features" - you can get them with other brands as well. There are some things Sammie offers that are really great but all of them can be fixed on other devices as well. I have everything I consider useful from Samsung on my Xperia Z Ultra (GPe ROM) but still with the efficiency of vanilla.
  • That's all great and all, but do you really think the MAJORITY of folks want to root, rom and mess around with Xposed just to get features that mimic Samsung, or, will they prefer to buy a Samsung and have all those features when they open up the box? (I do love loading every rom and messing with it on my back-up phone btw, but I know it's not for most people..)
  • So buy a "vanilla" android so you can then root and make a bunch of changes and downloads to make it more like what Samsung offers out of the box. Makes sense. Posted via Android Central App
  • Oh yes root it and then brick the device and be without a phone. That's a good idea. Posted via Android Central App
  • I think he was being sarcastic, thus the "makes sense" Posted via Android Central App
  • Yes. Sarcasm. Not a fan of vanilla or "stock". Posted via Android Central App
  • Don't you have to root the phone to use xposed? Doesn't that void the warranty? And isn't there a chance one of those things could cause a bootloop? And even maybe brick the phone? Posted via Android Central App
  • I use exposed on my Note 3, because there are a couple of cool little tweaks.  I especially like the ability to "kill" that annoying message about listening to headphones at too high of a volume because I tried to turn the phone's volume up when it was connected to my car's bluetooth. But, all those hacks are just that: hacks.  And there's always the potential that something like that can cause device instability.  Not to mention, rooting your device makes it less secure.  You "average" consumer should most definitely *not* be rooting their device.
  • agree!
  • Agreed. Tired of reading about how great vanilla, stock android is and then all the hoops the stock lovers jump through to get the same features that other devices offer out of the box. Makes zero sense, other than stock may be marginally smoother. Posted via Android Central App
  • The general public, 99% of Samsung's market, has no idea what "vanilla Android" is. So it's not on their checklist when buying Android devices.
  • Those features sucks and they suck battery too.
  • I'll take Vanilla over crapwiz any day. No launcher can hide that awful UI.
  • Um... isn't that exactly what a launcher does?
  • They just waited too long to launch the Note 4 and Note Edge. Any hype they initially built up leading to the device reveal has since been lost. Apple launched both of their phones and quickly followed with preorders and people being able to buy them in person last week. Sure, I hate touchwiz compared to vanilla android, but it has nothing to do with this beating they took
  • This. I'm no fan of apple but when comparing release execution, they put a clown suit on Samsung this round. Samsung whiffed by waiting over a month to get the devices on shelves. Perhaps I've just been waiting too long to spring for a new device. Posted via Android Central App
  • I agree with both of you all. Not a huge fan of TW anymore but I still will be grabbing the note 4 just wish they would stop beating around the bush when it comes to releasing the phone in a timely manner. Thats one thing I commend apple on when they announce you can pretty much be certain that with in a week or 2 the product will be released. Come on Samsung get it together.
  • There was no hype. Where was the hype?
  • The last 3 Note devices have all been announced the day before IFA, and then released in late September or early October.  How has Samsung done anything wrong this year by continuing to do what they've been doing for 3 years, now?
  • I was kind of thinking the same thing. I use a G3 and LG puts a pretty light skin on Android; Moto even less so. From what I read, Touchwiz is still kind of heavy handed. Ugh, and that name.
  • Sammy > apple Even though 10,000,000+ don't see it that way, it is still a fact :) Happy Tuesday people Posted via the Android Central App
  • True, the last time I checked 300,000,000 is a bit more than 100,000,000.... Apple always sell a lot the first day, run out of stock for a something like a month and then slowly gets going again. Samsung usually just delivers at a steady pace.
  • This.  Apple gets all excited when they sell a couple million phones in the first weekend, but then they'll drop back down to like 250k/week.  I think a lot of that is the "status symbol" marketing of Apple.  Apple lovers want to be the first of their friends to have the new iPhone.
  • Source ? Posted via the Android Central App
  • Spec sheet is my source Posted via the Android Central App
  • Yes yes MOAR CORES makes a better phone plain and simple nothing else matters where have I heard this before? /s Posted via Nexus 7 2013 or Galaxy S5
  • Not just that. Screen, camera, battery are all higher performing on a Samsung than an iPhone Posted via the Android Central App
  • It's not just "more cores".  For a lot of us (obviously, we're on an Android-centric site) iOS just doesn't *do* things that we expect our device to be able to do.
  • Maybe even redo the look of the devices. I think the phones just cost to much out of contract too. Then get rid of TW and I might think about getting another Sammy product.
  • They cost to much, PAH-LEEAASSEE! Samsung Note phablets are a premium product, just like Crapple. And Apple products cost more than The Note series, and you get less. Cost comparison is the last thing to complain about with Samsung products. Especially compared to Apple and HTC, ie: other premium handsets. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Part of the price issue is because the carriers won't market it if it doesn't have a certain level of price tag.  Yeah, Google sells the Nexus phones for cheap, but what carriers have you ever seen advertising a Nexus?  Or a OnePlus?
  • I think their biggest problem is lack of identity, in terms of what exactly they stand for. I'm saying this as a long time user of their phones. I still own a Galaxy S3, am writing this on the Galaxy S4 and my Galaxy Note 3 is next to me. So I'm not bashing them. Samsung has got so many models that look the same and they fail to then update the firmware on them. We as their loyal customers can't say what they really stand for, like what does it mean for them to be in this mobile business? I think the current strategy worked at the beginning, but now they are not underdogs. We need to have a better reason for buying a Galaxy device.
  • You are right in that Sammy became complacent. I'm not trying to be racist here, but I think this is a Korean thing... When things start going well, you forget about the customer and keep doing just the minimum to keep them satisfied (notice I didn't say happy). The company I work for is Korean, and I see this first hand Posted via Android Central App
  • The comment about a Korean company, Samsung becoming complacent maybe true, to a point. But Apple has been complacent for YEARS. Just sayin'... Seriously though, I was SHOCKED that Samsung would design such stellar products, right before Apple released a similar (but inferior) product -imho- for the first time ever and not even TRY to bring it to market within a decent time frame! I mean in reality Apple hasn't ever been competition to Samsung with the Note series since they never made devices even close to the same size or features. I will still be waiting for the Note 4, but it will be a wait filled with frustration and impatience. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I think that the quality of apples products are better when they are complacent, compared to the complacency of Sammy's products. If that makes sense. Lol Posted via the Android Central App
  • Absolutely agree. I'm still 100% interested in the Note 4; but it really is a shame that they set such a long timeline between announcement and release. Maybe last year it wasn't as big of a deal, simply because 5 --> 5s. But with the coming of the 6 they should have known to speed things up. I kinda hope sales won't hit their targets to teach them a lesson. Also, I don't see the sense in pre ordering and waiting a month. I mean that just does not seem logical.
  • They've *always* announced the Note devices the day before IFA and then released them in October.  Why is everyone suddenly saying that they screwed up the release date?  They've released the Note devices the same way for the past 3 years and nobody seem to think it was a problem.
  • They don't stand for anything. They're cell phones. The current Samsung identity is its Galaxy line.
    General public has no idea what firmware is and don't sit around at work or on message boards discussing updates.
    The success of Samsung, Apple, HTC and every other manufacturer rests with being able to make their devices more desirable through advertising, price, looks and features. Case in point: Samsung dominates HTC. It's not because of firmware updates is it? At one point a few years ago HTC was on top of the world. Samsung was struggling. But Samsung managed to strike a cord with the public and it wasn't by saying "We're gonna offer faster updates than HTC." Samsung managed to appeal to a public that couldn't explain Ram from root.
    Apple has been outselling Samsung by a wide margin forever. But Samsung builds more interesting, higher speced devices. Some might even call Apples offerings boring. So why does Apple stomp Samsung annually in sales?
  • Apple will *always* stomp a single Android manufacturer in sale, just by the fact that people who prefer Android have multiple manufacturers to choose from.  Especially with HTC getting back on their game the past couple of years and lots of other good competition from the likes of LG, Sony and others. People who want iOS, for whatever reason, are *going* to by an Apple phone.  People who want Android have almost a dozen companies to choose from.  It's an apples to oranges comparison at best (no pun intended).
  • Absolutely right. I bought a galaxy note 8 a year and a half ago when it was almost brand new. A few months later when the note 3 came out, they had new stylus features and a new note app and I thought that they would eventually trickle to "older" devices. Tough luck. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Sammy has been a *lot* better about updating devices in recent year(s).  Didn't they event get Kit Kat on the Galaxy S3?  My Note 3 was one of the first non-nexus devices to get 4.4.2, and then they very quickly back-ported it to the S4 and S3, if I remember correctly. As for what Samsung "stands for" I think it's "make a phone for everybody and sell a crap ton of devices" ;)
  • Thats what happens when you release your flagships weeks after your enemy does.... Time = money....still waiting for the note 4...,Sammy tick tock.....
  • So what is wrong with your current smartphone, that you can not wait another few weeks for the Note 4, heck I still use the S3 and the phone works flawlessly, not in any rush to go burn $ on the latest and greatest, I will wait and buy it on or a few months after its release for a fraction of the cost. People go and buy new phones while their current phone is working just fine, makes no sense. Posted via Android Central App
  • How Stupid can Samsung be? I jumped ship years ago to Samsung ...loyal to the bone with all versions of the NOTE and these idiots introduce a phone but don't make it available....even for pre-order until their competitors sell 10 million of their new phones....and still it's not coming out for another month. They deserve the hit! Oh! the way, I know where you can buy gas at 1.39 cents a gallon....but there always out.
  • If you've really bought Note phones every year, then your comment is pretty stupid, as Samsung has done this every year.
  • #firstworldprobs Posted via the Android Central App
  • Yea they have but does doing it every year make it right? The entire world knew including Samsung that Apple was going to release a "phablet" which is to me direct competition to the Note. So why not change up your strategy? Why not do something different? I can't even being to tell you how many Note 4 commercials I have seen only to look at my GS3 and be like yea Samsung it would be nice to have that in my hand right now. To stay on top you must sometimes do things differently than you have done in the past. What used to work in the past won't always work in the present or future.
  • It has worked pretty well for them so far, haven't it? And a projected first month sales of 15M, which is even a lot more than their actual flagship phone sort of confirms they're doing something right. Split the sales of the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+ and I bet the iPhone 6+ sales won't barely reach the knees of the Galaxy Note 4, this despite Apple using the biggest media marketing circus ever.
  • Yea it has worked so far for them in the PAST!!!!!!! I think you are missing my point here Hans. The point I am trying to make is that in the Past the Note was the only 'Phablet' to speak of but now this year it is not. So yea I feel along with many others that Samsung should have beat apple to the punch. I mean they certainly announced it before them while not have it on store shelves before them to. To actually have commercials about the Note 4 now when no one can buy it is silly. They are to me just trying to keep the Hype Train rolling when this could have all be avoided if they just release the phone in a timely fashion. So yea in the past it has indeed worked but that doesn't mean that they will have future success in the present day or future.
  • Jaysus. Take a chill pill, man. :D
    The actual launch date wouldn't affect the sales much. The majority of consumers aren't anywhere as fickle as you appear to think. HTC, Sony and a lot of others has repeatedly tried to undercut Samsung launches with little to no effect.
  • For the record, Samsung has had plenty of competition in the phablet space since before the Note 3 came out.
  • It was projected that the GS5 was gonna sell more than it did though. Projected sales don't equal actual sales. Also, I have a feeling that the 6+ is gonna blow the Note 4 out of the water (sales wise). I'm not saying one phone is better than the other. Just talking about sales here. The media itself creates Apple's circus, not Apple themselves. Samsung does much more marketing than Apple. Personally, my vote is for the under underdog, HTC.
  • And the Sales of the GS5 isn't anywhere as bad as bloggers made an impression of. It didn't sell beyond expectations like the GS4 and especially the GS3 did, but it really didn't do bad. Apple spent something like 100M just on U2 for the launch. That's pretty insane, just to get a few lines on media attention, if you'd ask me.
  • 100m on U2??? You sure bout that?
    "To release U2's album free, Apple paid the band and Universal an unspecified fee as a blanket royalty and committed to a marketing campaign for the band worth up to $100 million, according to several people briefed on the deal. That marketing will include a global television campaign, the first piece of which was a commercial that was shown during the event." This is what the 100m was for. They didn't give them 100m for them to show up at the launch.
    Nexus 5
  • Yup. It's 100M spent purely on marketing for the launch. Whether you spend marketing on a band, a movie star or just commercials is really irrelevant.
  • Not just for the launch.. Do some research. Nexus 5
  • Do some research yourself, will you? Or are you claiming that Samsung marketing is done for specific dates?
  • I did, and I never mentioned Samsung. So I guess I'm off topic:) Nexus 5
  • Sure is going out on a limb assuming it's the iphone and not touchwiz not being something people want to touch with a ten foot pole.
  • It's not really though, at all. I agree that Samsung needs to change their ways (see below), but to assume that this happened in a vacuum is naive.
  • Idk y these tech companies fall prey to the same issues. While they on top they just sit pretty and stop innovating and then begin to loose market share. ie, Nokia BlackBerry, HTC, Apple and Samsung more recently. Samsung has been told for several yrs to change their design and add more premium material and get rid of that Gawd awful TW UI and these stubborn old fucks they seem to wanna til it's almost too late. Apple just launched a bigger phone after 4 yrs of market trends leading the way and they've also just began to allow third party installs ie, keyboard. Samsung has also began to change by adding metal into their design philosophy. I just don't understand why these companies don't like to change with market trends, makes no sense. Look at HTC for example they were critiqued heavily for their UP camera in the M7 and what did they do with the M8, same fucking shyt. I'm an HTC fanboy and love their design and UI but fuck sakes my One X still takes decent pic and that's almost 4 yrs ago. If the M9 doesn't have a super impressive camera ie 13 MP, OIS, f/2.0 then their done for sure, well at least at the high end if the market. There mid range handsets are decent. Sorry for the rant! Posted via Android Central App
  • No need to say sorry for this rant, it was a damn good one, n that's coming from a Samsung fan Lol. Posted from my caseless GS5, because I believe in myself
  • You are free to express yourself as you please. If anything, it is obvious that you have high expectations and standards you want the Android OEMs to meet. I'm sure that HTC well address at least 1 of the 2 main gripes about their devices (main camera and better usage of the front panel component layout black bar) Posted via Android Central App
  • Unexpectedly strong iphone 6 pre-orders? Are they that dumb? Of course everyone expected strong sales from Apple. As for the Chinese competition, I'm happy it eats away at their market share. If the Chinese put high end specs on their phones and still manage to make them affordable, why can't Samsung? Or LG, or Sony for that matter?
    Another gripe I have with Samsung is their TouchWiz skin. They stopped trying to add innovative features a while back and the look if TW is the same old, boring and heavy thing that I had on my S3. I'm not an Apple fanboy but look at them and the integration between tablet, iPhone and Mac. Where is that from Samsung? Or build quality? My S5 creaks like an old wagon on the western trail where as the new iPhone felt solid in hand.
    That being said, I hope the next S series will have a metal frame at least and a much better TW. (I'm using Nova right now, btw). And I also hope the Chinese manufacturers will come to US and make XiaoMi available. Posted via Android Central App
  • What on earth are you doing to your S5 to make it creak?   Both my Note 2 and Note 3 are plenty solid. And I don't really get the complaints about TW.  Android makes it super easy to get a different launcher, and then you never have to look at TW. As for integrating everything the way Apple has continuity, it's not likely to happen for Android.  Apple has the advantage of owning the software and hardware all the way across the board for their products.  Unless Google were to build all that directly into Android and have it tie in with some kind of Chrome extension (which isn't out of the question) we're never going to see that level of interoperability in Android. That said, Android can already do *almost* everything iOS does with continuity, even if not as "streamlined".  Start an email in Gmail on your PC, hit save, and pick it up on your phone.  You can also get your phone notifications on your PC using an app like PushBullet.  I love it for work, since it means I can keep my phone on silent.  And the best part is I'm not limited to OS X :)
  • Maybe they can try focusing on just 4 phones, one for each price range. The Note, the S Series, the Alpha series, and then a phone to compete in the low end arena. Because yeah they do bring a lot of phones into the market every year. Just my opinion of course. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I like your opinion a lot.
  • I thought it was really strange when Samsung revealed the Note 4 and Edge without an official release date. I really thought Samsung had a trick up its sleeve with the possibility of releasing the Note 4 days prior to the Iphone 6 launch. I don't get it. They could have really done some damage. Hopefully those who are waiting on the Note 4 will get some sort of incentive like they are doing with the G3 currently.
  • Dude, the Note line has always announce the day before IFA, and then released in October, for 3 years running now.  Soon to be 4 years running.
  • L.O.L Samsung. L.O.L
  • I'm sure it's only temporary. Samsung knows how to bounce back. After all, they DID make one of the worst android phones ever, the Moment, back in like 2010. Then the Galaxy series was released and look at them now, despite this short term hiccup
  • Richard??? Where are you?? Posted via Android Central App
  • Wait for it Posted via the Android Central App
  • +1 Posted via the Android Central App
  • He's out buying two of every Samsung device to help them bounce back. That, or he went and bought an iPhone. Posted via Android Central App
  • LOL. Richard buying an iPhone!  That's the funniest thing I've heard all day!
  • Wait for it Samsung's biggest sack swinger will be here soon Posted via the Android Central App
  • Although I don't care for Samsung, this comparison is unfair isn't it? Samsung versus apple? Shouldn't it be combined android flagships versus apple? Posted via Android Central App
  • Samsung targets Apple specifically in many of its ads & makes fun of Apples products & customers. They brought this on themselves. Posted via a beautiful Ebony backed Moto X on Verizon or the amazing Nexus 10 using the Android Central App
  • Brought what on themselves?  An unfair comparison? ;)
  • "It's no secret that Samsung already invests heavily in marketing campaigns, but it will be interesting to see how the company bolsters its defenses when it comes to market share..." Here's a crazy idea, instead of spending millions telling us how awesome your phones are, just make better phones. Use better materials, build smarter and leaner software, more of the same will not save you.
  • Most users are people upgrading from the iPhone 5 and earlier I would imagine. It has been years since Apple has released a phone that even looks slightly different. I doubt most of the 10 million were ever potential Note 4 owners. I am sure iPhone sales are going to be very front heavy with people upgrading and will slow in the year ahead.
  • It always does.  Launch weekend accounts for a significant percentage of Apple's sales each year.
  • Almost a two month wait between announcement and availability which loses momentum and enthusiasm and then it is going to cost nearly £600. I didn't buy an iPhone because of this but I'm not buying a note because of this either n5
  • Hey! But the next big thing is here! Except it's not.
  • I think maybe a brand refresh is needed. Not sure what that would look like. Maybe new hardware design (software keys), work on de-lagging the ui (it's extremely laggy). Chuck Norris can call 'su' without having root permissions.
  • Most of the people buying iPhones are not Android users - they are iPhone 4/4S/5 owners looking to upgrade their phones.
  • Not this time. By this point Android has an established amount of users who came to Android for the big screen and more features. Now that iOS 8 solved most of the problems. Those people are now going back to their homeland. Posted via Android Central App
  • Source?  Just by looking at the numbers alone, they sold 9m devices in opening weekend last year, and 10m opening weekend this year.  That does not indicate to me that there has been a massive exodus of Android users to Apple.
  • If you have a Note 3, you won't see a huge difference in the 4. I'm holding on to my Note 3 for another year. Samsung sold a lot of note3's last year. The difference between an I-phone 5 to a 6 is a big difference, hence the demand. It's getting to the point that people are holding on to their phones longer now. I'll be getting the note 5. It's becoming a two year cycle, imho.
  • I actually think upgrade times will be getting shorter not longer, specifically because of carriers offering regular upgrades, like TMo's Jump (me) and Next, etc. I have 2 Jumps for the year and that will be used for the Note 4 and Edge. Plus there are some pretty HUGE upgrades from the Note 3- that I have- to the Note 4. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I don't think anyone really intended for it to be a one year cycle.  Us crazy tech enthusiasts started that trend ;)
  • Should have released both Notes a week after the announcement. Also, hurry up with your round smartwatches(make it/them great) to compete with that girly watch from Apple.
  • HTC needs to fill in this hole while Samsung is letting off some slack. All of my iPhone using friends are jealous of my M8, and thinks its the best android has to offer. Posted via Android Central App
  • I'm pulling for HTC. With a little more tweaking of their design they could be a true contender again.
  • good! they f++ing deserve it, they build the alpha to combat the iPhone6 and what do they do! they make it available on only one carrier in the USA, what a stupid idea that was so they deserved everything that is coming to them.
  • Samsung isn't making Apple processors any more. Apple is distancing themselves from Samsung. This is probably the reason for the down turn. Time will tell if they will turn things around or get to HTC levels. Posted via Android Central App
  • time to buy Sammy's stocks if you wanna get some quick money soon I suppose.
  • Well I guess that's what happens when u don't do any major redesigning of hardware and keep it same every year . I don't see any big difference in s4 n s5 or not3 to note 4 . Posted via the Android Central App
  • Stevie Wonder? Is that you?? Nice to finally meet you!! Posted via the Android Central App
  • Well deserved for making phones with shitty software.
  • Sansung should learn not to take back its features it didn't give USB 3.0 as in case of note 3.
    Water proof thing is not a big deal, but would have appriciated that too.
    And a better ram and 64gb rom would make it a sure success. New flagship should have something more than the past flagship.
  • richardyarrell1-This is a classic example of a Samsung fanboy
    Except he forgot that Apple are richer than Samsung and make more profit than them too. All from a handful of products while Samsung churn out 100's
    please get a grip and stop being a blinded simpleton that you clearly are!
    And no i'm not an Apple fanboy. I much prefer Sony!
  • But,Apple will never reach 700 / share ever again Posted via Android Central App
  • They already did... you know there was a split?
  • Apparently Joe Goodwin1 is Richard Yarrell version 2.0.
  • Lol he's sure getting down-voted like him.
  • Why are people still buying iPhones???
  • This looks to be another case of "perception is reality." Stock value is an amazingly fickle thing and many stock investors make decisions based on reality-challenged data. The problem is that perception becomes reality when it comes to stock value. Investors see a good Apple roll-out and think, "Oh, this is going to hurt Samsung." assuming that the consumers of iPhone and Samsung products come from the same pool. That's not entirely the case. Sure, if you're broad enough to see only tech-interested human beings it is, but there are Apple aficionados who will never buy anything else and there are smartphone buyers who will never buy Apple. So, objectively, Apple's success has little bearing on Samsung's, but investors make it have an effect. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy too as a lower market value will keep Samsung from being able to leverage profits into new products as much as they could with a higher one. It'll be almost funny when Samsung recovers during Apple's next less-than-stellar offering. (I don't know it's coming, but it's practically inevitable.)
  • We should be happy about this news, this will make Samsung go the extra mile and release even better products, hopefully no more plasticky backs so we can brag about the looks without case like the Apple fan boys. the S4,S5 Note3 & Note 4 they all look the same...need for a design revolution.
  • Youre right, they're high end is about to start looking much more premium...
    Bell, I think the note 4 looks GREAT!!! I mean seriously, it looks Really good, the metal frame goes a long way, and not to mention its SMALLER than the 6+, even with a display 1/5" bigger! Apple made the 6 plus ridiculously long for only a 5.5 Inch display. Apparently it's turning alot of people off
  • /gets Popcorn Posted via the S5 or 5s or HTC M8.
  • Sorry to say they deserve it, and I hope they don't miss more opportunities. They never tried to cater for prime phones within the 4.3" - 4.7" size which Apple users would dig and not consider too large. Rather the only real phone they focus is the 5" phone which was Apple's missed opportunity as they have no alternative if they hate the iPhone size.. Samsung's only alternative was an afterthought with no updates and no Pure Google edition which is the mini version. Apple now have very FOCUSED sweet spot form factors from kid friendly / small hands iPhone 5s (future iPhone 6 mini), iPhone (which is the sweet spot size) and 5.5" for Phablet fans.. Look at Samsung, all over the darn place, bizilion model. ..etc. I know few who favored Apple and only got Android for form factor and they're gone now to Apple, and those looking for 4.7 or less, they have very very few unfocused choices other than potential Z3 Compact that is expensive and yet to be released or the Alpha that is also expensive and yet to be released and have horrible battery. Focus is what Apple is Good At and what the Android echo system needs badly. My wish list: Make a Sony Z3 Compact like form factor 4.6", have wireless charging, have a Physical Home button and Capacitive left button for back and right for app switching to enjoy the whole screen and don't mess up games with slider controls mingled with screen wasting soft buttons, finger print sensor, option for 32G/64G without SD Mess, make money but start at $499 or less.. Ensure that Android is updated ASAP with all add-on special apps as Google Play additions that only work for that phone to de-couple the OS updates from App updates..
  • I've never liked Samsung hardware and their software skins, so I personally don't understand the popularity behind their phones, other than just massive screen sizes, which I don't like anyways, because I don't carry a purse with me. My first Android phone was the Nexus One and I have been only on Android since early 2010. Apple might be late to the game with the larger screen sizes, sharing between apps, widgets, etc, but the iPhone 6 looks like a pretty solid phone. They always make great cameras as well. Now that they have a lot of the same functionality of Android phones, I'm tempted. I'm not some religified Android user that's going to spew stupid arguments like "Android's been doing this since 2010!!!" Who cares? I just want a good phone, and Android had been the best for me for a while, but maybe not anymore.
  • TouchWiz doesn't look the best, and I may not use everything on the phone, but I would rather have a feature filled phone than a stripped down one. Most of what I consider bloat on my phone comes from google/verizon, not samsung. Posted via Android Central App
  • I thought Apple was the one that was in trouble. Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
  • Yeah this was all Apple that could this the Samsung had nothing to do with the other big handsets from Lg and companies Posted via the Android Central App
  • Samsung must die! Posted via Android Central App on 1+1
  • I don't have a dog in the fight (HTC user since OG Evo) but I've been reading the comments and I just HAD to say..... HAIL TO richardyarrell1 BARATHEON, THE ONLY TRUE KING OF THE TROLLS!!!
  • Lol
  • Hey guys, you do realize that the iphone 6 is outselling the 6 plus by a gigantic margin right? ( partly due to production issues of course) But not only that, alot of IOS users are apparently being turned off by the size of the 6 plus....have you guys seen how long that mofo is? It's ridiculously long and somewhat wide for only having a 5.5 Inch display. Even the note 4 is significantly shorter with a LARGER display! Apple should've seriously considered making it a little thicker and smaller, but I'm glad many are being turned off. I can't stand apple Oh ya, and the note 4 destroys the iphone 6+ in just about every way imaginable !
  • Apple and Sony both have a problem. They use iconic, traditional designs, but those designs are being outdone by newer manufacturers. There's no way Apple and Sony should have the bezels they have on their phones. LG and Samsung have been cutting theirs down with each iteration but for some reason Apple wants to keep them.
  • I know man, and I think they're stupid for doing it. I mean, it's a very nice phone, no doubt. But it's too big for only having a 5.5 Inch display. I've seen people complain alot about the size of the one plus one, and the 6 plus is significantly bigger than even that....I'm glad they made it so big though, I hate apple, I won't lie. and I know fans are gonna continue to complain about the 6 plus
  • Is there a reason why the Bezels are that big on all iPhones? I was looking at someone's 4s today and the Bezels are really big. I didn't ever really notice before and I owned the 4,4s and 5. I only noticed when people on these forums pointed it out. Serious question... Nexus 5
  • In the case of the 6 and 6 plus, i think it's because they made them so thin. As a result they were forced to make the phone longer and wider than most others with this screen size, which was a stupid thing to do imo. It's gonna scare alot of IOS users off
  • Makes sense. Thanks Nexus 5
  • "noting in a report yesterday that "its smartphones have lost appeal" I think a large part of that is the software. They have made some improvements but a lot of it still looks like it came from gingerbread. Not to mention filling them full of gimmicks and bloatware. Samsung has been slowly trying to replace Google services with their own and I think a lot of people are starting to see through it. Seriously who needs S Voice?
  • They're definately falling in line with Google this year though.....touchwiz definately doesnt look like gingerbread anymore since the s5. Have you browsed around the UI of the s5? (Not talking about the launcher) It's much better than previous versions for the most part (I hate the dialer though) For the first time i actually like touchwiz. By and large it's been modified towards a more elegant look. It still needs work, but it's on its way, and i can't wait for the note 4
  • Also, I totally knew Richard Yarrell would get a hard on for this article. I wonder sometimes if he constantly refreshes Android Central just so he can jump in and go batshit crazy for every Samsung article before anyone else has a chance to comment
  • "The company lost 2.3 percent on the market, falling to 1,161,000 won. It doesn't sound like much of a turn, until one considers the $30 billion being wiped from Samsung's market value." Arithmetic challenged, are you?
  • The difference that is never mentioned between Apple and Samsung is that Apple has 1 phone (now 2)that it releases yearly. How many phones does Samsung release in a year? The Note 4 is probably not ready. They only announced it to preempt the iPhone announcement. A lot of Android mfg release all of these phones during the year it's tiresome to keep up with. I have a One M8, how many versions did HTC release after that. Some even had better features than their flagship phone. Samsung needs to cut production and concentrate on one or two products. Stop trying to saturate the market with products that won't even receive firmware or OS updates on a regular basis. The whole fanboy argument of customisation is moot. People don't really care or have time to have to keep fooling around with a "mobile phone". You want something to just work, be efficient. That's why having control over the hardware and the software will always be Apple's strong point. If you don't like how they lock it down, you create you own phone. Posted via the Android Central App
  • You do have a point. Apple releases one phone a year, to Samsung's 8-10 Posted via...The One
  • The poor sods iSoap owners better not apply any hand lotions before handling their little precious or it will end up as an expensive door stoppers. lol. Posted via the Android Central App
  • This is a business cycle, there will be down times even when you're already successful. This should be a sign for Samsung to innovate their devices with better design and better feature or actually useful feature like what Motorola did. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Oh oh another blackberry! Batten down the hatches! LOL
  • The most disturbing words in the article: Samsung said "unexpectedly strong iPhone 6 pre-orders." "unexpected"??? Really, what kind of bozo thought the iPhone 6 wouldn't sell well? Okay, maybe nobody predicted 10 million in the first weekend, but the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were definitely going to sell well. Heck, even my 8-year-old nephew could have told you that Apple was about to sell millions in the first few days.
  • Innovations be damned. iPhone lovers will keep on supporting their outdated phones just simply because it's (wait for it)....... an iPhone. Other companies like Samsung can churn out innovative smartphones for all their worth, but it will be to no avail. Simply because, (wait for it )..... it's not an iPhone. The iPhone has become synonymous with smartphones just like Zippo has become with lighters or Colgate with the toothpaste or Harley for motorbikes. nuff said. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Hey fellas. Breaking News!!! Apparently, the iPhone has a hidden feature, and that is, the phone is completely BENDABLE!! Wow..... that is, amazing!! Posted via the Android Central App
  • Apple... No Digitizing Stylus
    No Multi Screen So much more screen real estate on the 6+ and for what??!! Posted via Android Central App
  • Then you get clowns like Joey Smith2 thinking everyone should adhere to his advice and tastes. I'm sure grown up people can make a choice on the phone they wish to buy without your wisdom. Not everyone wants an Android phone or an IOS one. There is no perfect phone! Too many fanboys on here think they actually own the company they side with trying to convince everyone to agree with them!
  • I will be interested in seeing what happens during the first upgrade cycle AFTER both the iPhone 6 Plus and the Note 4 are released. I realize everyone's contracts and eligibility varies but you can assume anyone getting a 6 or a 4 are resetting the clock. So the first marker would be what, 12-16 months after the Plus is available to see how the dust in the phablet space settles?