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Microsoft is surprisingly close to making a decent Android phone

Anytime you see the words Microsoft and Android in the same sentence suggesting a new products, fans will come out of the woodwork to remind everyone of that dark time four years ago when Verizon forced Bing on a bunch of phones. In the minds of these users, the event was followed by a grand angry rebellion that banished Bing to the Netherspire and restored Google to its rightful place at the top of our phones and tablets. The people had spoken, Microsoft had been defeated, and there's no need to consider ever going down that dark road again.

The truth is a little less exciting, with Google inviting manufacturers to participate in legally binding agreements that ensured Google search sat atop everything in exchange for access to the Play Store, but the end result isn't all that different. Microsoft could make its own phone without access to the Google Play Store, but that usually ends poorly for everyone involved. In order to have their apps and services installed on something running Google-powered Android, Microsoft needed to go the long way and offer compelling apps that users would want to install and use instead of the pre-loaded Google counterparts.

You may not be aware of it, but Microsoft is surprisingly close to making this a reality.

Microsoft Next Lockscreen

The key to making an app people will actually consider using in replacement of Google's defaults these days, in many cases, is to go all out and try to replace all of Google's apps at once. Google's integration and cross-app functionality makes it hard to replace a single app with something that doesn't play nice with the rest, even if that one app has features you prefer. Going all in and replacing the whole suite of Google apps isn't easy, but Microsoft has been slowly moving in that direction for years now.

Microsoft as the default on an Android phone starts to look not only feature complete, but downright enjoyable.

Mobile versions of Office apps to replace Drive, Outlook to replace Gmail, OneNote to handle Keep, Skype for messaging and video chat, Groove Music instead of Google Play Music, Nokia Here to replace Maps, and of course OneDrive to connect them all together an offer cloud storage. This handles your basics, and even two years ago might have been enough to help people make the switch, but Google's integration goes a lot deeper than cross-app chatter nowadays.

Microsoft needed Cortana to replace voice search and act as a virtual assistant now that Google Now was baked in to all of the search functions. Between Arrow Launcher and Next Lockscreen for personalized access to apps and features, and half a dozen clever extras like Word Lens and On{X}, Microsoft as the default on an Android phone starts to look not only feature complete, but downright enjoyable.

Microsoft Arrow Launcher

The one big gap in Microsoft's plan for total Google Service replacement at the moment is a browser. While there are dozens of alternatives to Google's Chrome in the Play Store, it'd be nice to eventually see Edge come to Android with some of the features that make it interesting on Windows 10.

Looking at all of these apps installed and used in place of the current Google Apps demonstrates just how close the company is to a complete thought.

Perhaps more important than drawing on a web page in screenshot form and better overall performance is the continued integration efforts. Things like in-app searches like Chrome has, or the ability to quickly export a line from a website to OneNote, or even the ability to save something you're downloading from the web directly to OneDrive. There's a lot of potential there, and Microsoft has clearly demonstrated the potential to make this happen.

If the long-term goal for Microsoft's adoption of Android is to make a phone with this software deeply embedded in the system, either through continued cooperation with Cyanogen or a full on Microsoft-made Android phone with all of this software onboard, looking at all of these apps installed and used in place of the current Google apps demonstrates just how close the company is to a complete thought. It may not be what many Google fans are looking for in a smartphone, but it could absolutely be what Windows 10 users who aren't interested in the current crop of Windows-based phones are looking for, and that group isn't nearly as small as many Android enthusiasts would like to think it is.

Microsoft Arrow Launcher

Microsoft and Verizon messed up a couple of years ago by trying to force something on everyone, and as it stands right now trying to assemble all of Microsoft's apps into a cohesive thought out of the box is a lot of work, but there's a place somewhere in the middle that could have genuine appeal if done in a way that offers this complete alternative way of doing things in a compelling package. If nothing else, it'd be interesting to see that middle ground come to life.

Russell is a Contributing Editor at Android Central. He's a former server admin who has been using Android since the HTC G1, and quite literally wrote the book on Android tablets. You can usually find him chasing the next tech trend, much to the pain of his wallet. Find him on Facebook and Twitter

  • Androsoft? Microdroid.? I agree it would be interesting and could be a kicker for Amazon to have the Amazon app store on there. The hold up is still the way apps are updated on there not to mention some of the playstore features/Google services we take for granted Check out the new Nexus!, not a Rick roll
  • but then again Fire phone flopped. The reason being it didnt have any google services
  • That was one of numerous reasons. It was also weirdly expensive, full of gimmicky (if kind of cool) features, and locked to one carrier. Not having Google services sure didn't help, but it's hardly a glaring example of lack of Google integration killing a product.
  • Right but with google services, it would have been easier to forgive some of the other crap.
  • Locking it to 1 carrier was the main problem. The Fire phone, as well as the Facebook phone, are not iPhones. There is no benefit for a company to be carrier exclusive anymore. It didn't help that those entries were pretty underwhelming spec-wise, too.
  • Plain FUD. It did not have the Google Services PRE-INSTALLED. But you could install them if you wanted. Same with most Amazon Tablets.
  • Care to guess what percentage of smartphone owners are tech-savvy users? When most people buy tech products, they just want them to work.
  • I mean if we are talking about the firephone, a phone you need to buy from amazon and set up in your account that runs android..probably all of them? I mean if your not tech savvy, get an iphone. if you can't afford one you get a 20$ prepaid LG android shithole. nobody would get a firephone and NOT be able to install a simple APK.
  • Say that to all the mother's out there whose son baught them an android phone, to just download an apk. I have to help people my mother's age to simply restart a phone and you think they can just find an apk and know what to do when they actually find one? Haha People these days have no sense. Posted via the Android Central App
  • This! Posted via the Android Central App on my Galaxy S3 Neo Dual Sim which thankfully doesn't have S-pen and does not have a horrible metal body.
  • AndroSoft sounds like a really confused male enhancement treatment.
  • It's what they give after the 4th hour. Posted
  • Hahah Posted via the Android Central App
  • mmm. Dehancement <?>
  • Not only interesting, but it's not far from how I use my phone. I'm the type of person outlined in the article, only I really liked Windows Phone. But they've ended relationships with Verizon and the new flagships won't be coming out on VZW. So I got a Note 5. I've replaced most of Google's defaults with MS stuff and the experience isn't much different from WP, with the entire Android ecosystem as a bonus. Very smart of MS. And it actually helped Google by making my decision to switch less painful. This is a benefit for everyone.
  • When was it ever announced that they ended relationships with VZW?
  • I am the same. My 1520 started acting wonky, and I took my wife's Galaxy S5 when she upgraded. I replaced Google with MS. The home screen has no Google apps on it except for Chrome. Works like a charm. Will see what the new Lumias look like, but I may pick up the new Huawei Nexus phablet and convert it to Microsoft.
  • I've never used a Windows phone, but being someone who uses his phone for work (note taking, communicating, dealing with documents, etc.)... being able to do everything in a way that is compatible with Microsoft products is a very big deal.
    The recent flush of solid Microsoft Office suite stuff has been a big benefit.
    I do not use their Outlook email system (on the phone) because gmail is pretty good and Android's generic "mail" program manages my mail well enough.
    More and more, I can leave my tablet and computer and just do my job with the Note 4 .... amazing to have an office suite in my pocket!
  • Outlook on Windows 10 Mobile was superior to Outlook on Android for the most part. The focused inbox feature is fantastic on Android that is somehow missing on W10M. However, the W10M version has much smaller fonts and looks much more like the desktop counterpart. I really miss that part. And a few others. @gar216 - They announced they are ending partnerships that weren't beneficial to Microsoft and Verizon was pretty high on that list. They didn't do anything for the Lumia line other than lock up the 930 in the US, which was a great phone but it's 18 months old. The 950/950XL won't be on Verizon and I think it's most likely they'll be sold direct by MS off contract. They may support VZW but I'm not going to spend $700+ on the phone I want at this point. My wife would kill me.
  • Same here. I stuck with WP until earlier this month and had a 1520 for the past few years but it came to the point where I just felt WP wasn't going to be what I needed so I switched. I like Android a lot to be honest and the app ecosystem is amazing compared to WP. I've made most of the MS products defaults for me (OneDrive, Office, Outlook, Skype, etc.) and it works just fine. What's funny is that it almost works better than on WP. Plus MS updates their apps all the time so I'm perfectly happy living in an Android world using MS apps. It's to me the best of both worlds.
  • I moved from WP to Android and installed all the MS apps, including Cortana, Here Drive, etc. but there are some things that I consider superior on WP, for instance OneDrive was faster on my Nokia Icon, Cortana was a lot better on WP too, and on Android there's no keyboard that you can download that corrects better than WP Keyboard, and I noticed that to do some things it takes more steps on android, some features like tap to navigate from an email or text messages does not exist in android, etc.
    But overall I'm happy because I have Cortana and Google Now in the same device, Here and Google Maps, MS services and Google Services, etc. etc. both of them in the same device...
  • Can cortana be set up to replace google now? Like always running in the background or whatever and ready to respond to voice command?
  • You can setup Cortana as your default Personal Assistant when you hold the home button but the "Hey Cortana!" doesn't work, so "Ok Google!" will work all the time running in the background even if your default PA is Cortana. Right now Cortana on Android is not better than Google Now, I really think Cortana is better but only on WP.
  • Just be careful. Microsoft is famous for "embrace and extend". In other words, typical Microsoft would co-opt Android, add its own proprietary extensions to the platform, and then make its most popular apps like Office crippled or not work at all on vanilla Android. It would be nice if Microsoft has changed its ways, but IMO the jury is still out.
  • The 3rd E is extinguish. Yet, there is no need for Microsoft to extinguish Android or iOS. Nor should they want to. This is a services play. They want people using Office 365 and their other online services. The genius of their tactics is now they don't HAVE to own the dominant mobile platform. They have a wide suite of apps across all major mobile platforms that tie into their services., meaning any mobile user on Android, iPhone, or WP is potentially a customer. We are in a vastly different world and MSFT is a wildly different company than they were in the 90s. They aren't just an OS and productivity software company anymore. I don't see them trying to kill or co-opt Android or iOS anytime soon. I think the Cyanogen OS thing is an experiment. They probably know Cyanogen isn't even going to reach the levels of WP in marketshare.
  • I agree with you. The new MS is completely different. You hear it at every event they have, every talk both internally (from what I've heard) and to partners. They're about Office, cloud and mobile. Mobile is not WP. It's all the mobile OS', and they're not trying to take over anything. They want to retain their huge Office share, and add support of all of their sys administration tools to Android, iOS, etc., and they want their cloud services, both personal and enterprise, to be ubiquitous. Given how good most of these offerings are, that's not a bad thing for consumers. Competition is great. Posted via the Android Central App
  • The fact they showed up to the Apple event to show off Office on the iPad Pro pretty much sums up their new philosophy. They want us using their software and services no matter what platform we're on. Windows is becoming less and less important to MS. Which is good, because the underlying OS is becoming less and less important to the industry.
  • Widows is a huge part of Microsoft, it's still run on over 90% of PC's worldwide. I think at first Microsoft felt threatened by the onslaught of smartphones and tablets but then realized that it's still retaining PC OS loyalty but losing loyalty to it's services. By making it's best services exclusive to PC's, people were looking to mobile developers for alternate solutions and developers including Google delivered. Microsoft needs to win back those customers before Android becomes a mature PC OS which as mobile devices become more and more powerful it won't be long before Android achieves maturity as an OS. As far as iOS, I don't think it has the flexibility to mature into a OS capable of running on PC's. Posted via the Android Central App on the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact
  • It amazes me when people can't grasp this. People on Windows Central b!tch and moan that MS is a trader for supporting other platforms and they might abandon Windows Phone. They just don't get it. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Trader??? Or did you mean type "Traitor" ??
  • Lol. Traitor. Thx. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I think Cyanogen is already bigger than WP.
  • There is no official YouTube app on Windows Phone.
  • Not really a problem third party solutions are better anyway...
  • The third party solutions to YouTube on Windows Phone are rubbish. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • What's so much better about Android YouTube App vs MyTube or TubeCast or MetroTube? Posted via the Android Central App
  • TubeCast is pretty phenomenal on Win10 & even on WP8.1. Haven't missed not having an official youtube app in a long time. Someone saying they're 'rubbish' hasn't used one lately.
  • The fact that you can browse other YouTube channels without your current video stop playing something that all Windows Phone equivalents of YouTube doesn't have and all the YouTube alternatives on Windows Phone simply sucks including their UI, Google and Android do everything a million times better than Windows Phone. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • You are wrong, I use Mytube, and Tubecase and this feature to play in background came a long ago. You may need to check out again.
  • if i were you i wouldn say those apps are rubbish. remember we had continuous playback (with closed app) YEARS! before google bothered to give you this. and dont even try to say that "youtube is a video platform why would you close the app" is also big music platform, and MORE IMPORTANT: NO COMPANY should dictate how a user uses his app. you have to addapt to customers, not forcing them. microsoft learned it. google not yet. maybe they will, after all these anti-trust suits will break their had.
  • tolani05 ; You figured that rubbish statement out by yourself without help on your Nexus 6?... Get help by using windows phone with these third party apps then come back and apologize for your wrong doing.
  • That's actually false. The 3rd party YouTube apps on Windows Phone are stellar. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Sorry the third party YouTube apps are lame if you're browsing a YouTube channel on Android and even iOS your current video continues to play with while minimised at the bottom right of the screen with audio playing as well. You can't do that on any of the third party apps on Windows Phone. Google's official YouTube app on Android is superior and the best. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • @tolani05: you really don't have a clue 3rd party apps on WP are some of the best work on the platform i've seen...consistent and high quality support...
  • All the YouTube alternatives on Windows Phone lack one Important feature continuous playback while browsing other YouTube channels,which Android has and even iOS has. But the Android YouTube app is superior to both Windows Phone crap and iOS anyway. You're the one who doesn't have a clue what a crap platform you're defending on Windows Phone and it's garbage UI called 'live tiles' Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • Yah man! I hate google for that, but I have to submit to google when I choose to change to Samsung... hahaha But I still hate google for being a bitch to WP user.
  • Windows Phone is rubbish I don't blame Google for ignoring Windows Phone as it doesn't have enough of a user base to bother with. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • nobody blames google for not supporting windows phone. thats stupid. i think the blame should be for not supporting GOOGLE USERS which are on windows phone. and if i were a google fan and i would see how google doesnt give a crap about me, i will never ever look at them twice. in out world, tech has changed since 90s, and it looks like google doesnt see it. microsoft is no longer forcing anyone to anything. while google is fired with anti-trust suits from all corners of the world. tech is now more mainstream than ever, in the smartphone era. and you cannot possibly tell an adult what to do just like that. given that the industry is now mature, you cannot put the users to do what you want, but is you as a company who have to do what users want. and let me tell you something, for me personally i wouldnt notice if google disappears tomorrow, except for youtube. do you think that is a good thing for google? nope. sure, i use chrome and google search too, but only for convenience until competition will mature(looking at you Edge), and is only youtube to which i could not find a replacement (but i assure you that there are people who dont need youtube either). bottom line, i will always use something that allows me to use it(how, when, where i want) instead if it using me. and my friend, if google doesnt change how it does business, it will face what microsoft faced: a massive importance drop in people's lives.
  • That's what Google uses your data for, to improve the experience and cater to your preferences, Cortana can't match Google Now. You could say the Google's priority is the US because that's it's home country. To say that Google doesn't care about its users is at least if you're referring to Android users. And why should Google care about a platform that's already failed and said users are not using Android? Does Apple care about users not using Safari for Windows? Exactly as Safari on Windows was buggy and kept crashing and hadn't been updated since 2012 and Apple no longer supports Windows with Safari anymore. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • When is the last time you have thoroughly used Windows Phone or Cortana? I ditched Google Now a long time because of what Cortana could do that was useful that Google Now couldn't. Responding to texts via via while driving down the road would be a big one. People got frustrated at work because I wasn't responding on long trips with Google Now. I've got a GS6 and a Oneplus One on the desk waiting for when I get an itch to play again after previous frustrating attempts at getting things done. I spent two solid weeks each on my GS6 and OPO trying to add systems built into my cheap Windows Phone from day 1. I switch back periodically when I want first party apps. I enjoy Android casually but for work it has been frustrating. Google did have 1 up on package tracking but Cortana has that in W10M. I know. I sound confused but I have a love/hate relationship with Android. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Sorry but Windows Phone isn't for me. It's also restricted and you can't even have third party keyboards like you can on Android, even iOS has that now. I've used Windows Phone enough to know I will never use it again. Android is just too far ahead of Windows Phone and Windows 10 isn't going to convince me either. The fact is Microsoft apps are better than on their own platform. Sorry but the ship has sailed for Microsoft as they've proven they don't have what it takes to succeed in the mobile OS space. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • Dude. Release the hate. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Isn't that exactly what Google is doing right now?
  • This conversation is now so old, my comment is irrelevant.
  • I wouldn't be surprised if they did. They're the only ones with a comparable ecosystem to that of Google outside the Play Store app. All MS needs to go is gather enough Android app ports and boom. They have a great alternative to Google Android. Posted via the Android Central App
  • they couldnt get apps to be ported to their platform then how the heck will they port apps to their store?
  • Before it was porting to a windows app....
    WP10 (see Astoria) is java apps running natively little to no changes needed.
    Most of the android apps will run with no changes (a few odd errors-google services mostly) but it shows how close it is ....and that means its just a very simple thing for devs.
    With cyanogen going with more MS services - those versions of the apps may be a good fit for them too?
  • think of it like this: traditionally speaking, when you would have ported an app from ios/android to windows, you would have done something similar to translating a text from a language to another. basically, you would have translated the java android app to c# wp app, for example. but now, with windows 10 mobile, you dont have to do that anymore. all you have to do is to replace the call for android services (maps and so on) with a call for microsoft services, and voila, your app is ready. how? well, putting it in a very basic way, imagine windows 10 mobile having a very good and efficient android emulator, somewhere very deep inside it. see it? now developers, depending on the complexity of their app, will afford to spend just one day or few hours to make their already existent android app available to millions of users who want it on windows. unlike in the past, where a lot of work was needed, and just a few millions of users will not justify the cost of time and other resources.
  • THIS -^..................I fully expect them to have fully working versions of new applications at their 10/6 event, showing this off. Anotherwords - a phone, that is fully compatible, and working in sync with your desktop pc (if its running W10), that now has access to every app under the sun due to all of the hard work that they have done enabling .apk support into W10 Mobile. I used Android for 6 years, only recently switching to WP (little over a year ago) and a Lumia Icon. I switched because of the Lumia Camera app, .dgn raw file support, superior optics, and the stability of the platform - not a stupid chat app. I had a lot of issues with Android, lag, lag, crash, etc.........I know its better now (ive since flashed CY10 on my old Android phone, and enjoy it as a media player in my house). Ive been extremely happy with Windows 10 Mobile technical preview on my Icon, and am looking forward to the new 950/XL launch to see what continiuum is all about. The UI of W10 Mobile is refreshing, its alive, and customizable to your heart's content, yet secure. It strikes a balance - more customizable than IOS and more secure than Android. Don't knock it till you try it, you never know, you may like it. All this being said - I do think MS made a lot of stupid decisions - instead of wasting billions on Nokia acquisition, they should have paid their OEM's to make the flagship phones with Windows Phone OS on them. A Note 5 without Touchwiz, running Windows 10 Mobile with some custom S-Pen apps integrated would be an amazing device.
  • An Android phone without Google services. I'm not interested. Posted.
  • Come on, live a little. Change is nice sometimes. Posted via the Android Central App
  • +1 I hate feeling tied down to one ecosystem. Even though Apple will never be an option for me Posted via the Android Central App
  • This is a tough concept though. In the end, isn't it really about picking one ecosystem and sticking with it? It becomes expensive and cumbersome to switch cloud storage of documents, communication, music, photos, etc every time you feel like switching ecosystems. That's not even mentioning financial investment in apps and media. I guess I stick with Goggle because I feel I have the most flexibly in delivery systems for my content. I would honestly give Apple a try, but I bailed on iTunes in 2003 because the DRM drove me nuts. I can't afford to invest in that ecosystem now. I have been wrapped up in Google Services since 2008. Also At this point, I wouldn't dream of switching everything wholesale to Windows even though I already have substantial non-mobile investment in it. Practically, you lock yourself into an ecosystem.
  • Some would say the wise man wouldn't get "invested" in an ecosystem anyways. Storage is easy. There's plenty of free Cloud storage options that are cross platform. Microsoft throws it at you, if you pay attention to their OneDrive promos. Or maybe your lucky enough to like phones that have SD cards... As for music? Avoid platform locked music like the plague. That should be a given. Same for TV/movie content. Yeah, you might lose some $ on a few Apps or games, but that should make you avoid another platform if you really want the phone. That's also why its nice to have a phone from 1 ecosystem and a tablet from another, if you've already used both. Or all 3 (Windows). Like if you've used Android for years and want to try an iPhone, there's a pretty good chance you'll eventually be back to Android again. You just have to be smart about it. There's really no reason to get heavily invested in one ecosystem. (It shouldn't need to be said, but I'm talking about personal, singular devices. Not a company investment. Cause I'm sure someone will go there... Lol) Posted via the Android Central App
  • Is this wise, though? I'd argue it's wise to have all your tools in one tool box. Case in point. I've got purchased movies all over the place (Vudu, Amazon, Google, Zune/xbox, etc) and I never remember what I have and where. I've purchased the same thing on two different providers before. Organization is a huge positive to using one ecosystem. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Well, that's why I don't buy digital downloads. Haha. Rent, sure. Not buy. Buy a disc, do what you want with it. Utilizing UltraViolet wouldn't be a bad idea though, if you're going digital route. Posted via the Android Central App
  • But that's assuming that a hodge-podge of individual, disparate services will offer identical utility as an ecosystem, which often is not the case. People are willing to sacrifice flexibility and become "invested" in ecosystems because the integration leads to greater convenience or improved functionality. This reminds me of free/open source fans who choose products and services that fit their worldview vs. fit their use case. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just not typical of average consumers. Plus, the device is really a gateway to the apps and services. While enthusiasts might appreciate technology and interface design for its own sake, most want the device that best lets them do the things they want to do, which involves the ecosystem. They don't buy the device based on the interface and then adjust their life based on that choice. It's just like how people buy a video game console based on the games it can play, not how the hardware or UI looks.
  • If Android suffered a Windows Phone style meltdown I'd rather go back to iOS than Windows Phone or Windows 10. Sorry Windows will never be an option for just like Apple will never be an option for you. I'm with Android until the bitter end as I know Android won't end up like Windows Phone or Windows 10. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • and change to microsoft? how is that change? dominate the desktop space and they used to dominate the mobile space at 42% market share. Android and Google services is the change that consumers have made. More of this needs to happen in order to loosen Microsoft's grip. Why on earth should Microsoft control the entire market?
  • the power is in our hands. look, i might be confused with a microsoft fan(although i try not to be a fan for anything and anyone because i love to use my brain...) but even so, i never dream about a world where microsoft is the only entity in the tech world. i wont have any benefit from that. i only want to have 3 competitors. maybe even 4. that way we consumers have only gains. a monopoly is no good, except for that company. not even a duopoly. because the 2 companies will move only in one direction and their fight will only be who gets further faster. a third mind is very welcomed to the game. and i repeat, even a 4th mind should have its place.(too bad blackberry is almost extinct)
  • Google services are not the end all. Microsoft Office for example is easily superior to Google Docs on Andorid. I have both. Posted via the Android Central App
  • By Google services I mean Play services which also include Play store. Office apps are not even available in my country anyway. I use Samsung apps that came preloaded on my phone so I wouldn't mind any. Android is truly open source, but Material Design is Google's vision of it. Posted.
  • Material design is just window dressing that can and more than likely will change within 2 versions. I cannot even remember... Oh yeah... Holo... Damn Jerry and his #yoloholo tag brings back nightmares +++ Insert witty signature, watch as others not get it, profit +++
  • wait, you mean that you cannot use office in english or what? i see you using english quite good.
  • OpenSource? yes but not everything. how do they make money? hahaha
  • That's not a good comparison. Office is Microsoft's cash cow and it's a service that users pay for. The platform is also firmly entrenched in business and enterprise. Clearly its far superior to Google docs. You should compare MS's free services to Google's
  • Exactly, apples to apples. Also some of us don't feel "tied down" just because we don't flit from flavor of the month to flavor of the month. Some of us enjoy the Google Android ecosystem and enjoy supporting it. To each their own. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Even the free version of MS Office is far superior to Google's apps though. Give them a try they are pretty good on Android, and much better than on Windows Phones. You need the individual apps for Android though, ie Word, Excel and PowerPoint, not the combined Office app. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I never said it wasn't. Ya I know, I use word, excel, PPT, outlook, and onenote on Android. Far less than I do on my PC but they're decent on android
  • Hi!
    I seem to have a different experience.
    My backup phone is a cheap windows phone and it does MS Word fairly well (although fonts are not so hot or flexible.
    For my Galaxy S4, on the other hand, I also loaded MS Office for Android with mixed results: MS Outlook was OK, but not as full-featured or flexible as even the native mail app, but it works. However MS Office Word and Excel in Android are not so reliable. I have tried to edit many MS Word files on my phone –and for the most part, the basic, easy edits are not an issue –in most cases.
    However, advanced formatting is not so good. I was surprised several times to discover that files I created in MS Word on my Surface Pro 3, would not even open in word! Even after logging into my Office 365 subscription --very annoying. Also, working MS Excel spreadsheets in MS Excel for Android is clunky, and using anything beyond basic functions is difficult and sometimes unworkable. I have used Office Suite Pro for years on my Android phones and even now find myself ignoring MS Office and relying on Office Suite Pro (with added font package & dictionary) when I need to do some serious work on MS Word/Excel files on my phone. Office Suite Pro seems more reliable to me, and --one very important point-- Office Suite Pro also lets me save to more places –and to get files from more places, than the Android version of MS Office. allows. since I use MS Office on my Surface Pro and even on my MAC, I keep trying to get the MS Office implementation on Android to work well, but so far it is not polished or sophisticated enough for real use ;-( (This makes me wonder about all the posts where folks say that they are using MS Office on Android without issue! That has made me reinstall MS Office for Android several times –I was thinking that I missed something, but invariably MS Office has not matured yet). I hope Microsoft will improve the Android implementation --and while the old Nokia windows phone I have as a backup works well enough, the MS hardware and software don't seem competitive (at every price point) with the Android options. ...
  • There are some things that Microsoft does right and some things it doesn't do so right - Idk about anyboby else, but I was cool with just downloading whatever Microsoft apps I wanted. Microsoft would need to bring the great hardware to back all this up.
  • If I want a fully functional MS phone, I would buy a W10 mobile phone. I would love, however, if MS made their OS a bootable ROM, but that would require OEM cooperation. Posted via the Android Central App
  • There are few tablets that can boot W10 or Android. I guess they could do the same with Android/W10 mobile.
  • That's not the same though. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Nah, MS would be the best possible alternative to Google services as long as the playstore is still still available. Just about everything Microsoft does is top notch
  • Have you been in a coma for the last 10 years? You do know Ballmer is no longer CEO...right?
  • WTF are you smoking?
  • "Just about everything Microsoft does is top notch" WTF have you been smoking? Let's compare examples. You can go first since it's your claim.
  • Hmmm well lets see. First of all their enterprise platform is the industry standard along with MS server. They have far and away the best office suite available today, their mobile ecosystem of cross platform apps are all high quality, Windows 7 and now windows 10 are widely considered to be the 2 best desktop OS's ever built. Now you can go ahead and bitch about WP and windows 8, by ball means And WTF does Ballmer leaving have to do with them remaining shitty? Because that's what your original statement implied. And don't be stupid enough to believe that Balmer had any significant effect on the quality of Microsoft's products during his reign
  • lol, windows 7 and windows 10 are the best? what a laugh. They're decent but slooooow.
  • I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
  • "by ball means" If this was on purpose, it is brilliant. If it was by accident, it is very Zen.
  • It was an accident, but that's hilarious!!!!!! I must've done it subconsciously
  • I'll just wait for the first Nokia Android phones - they'll have all the good from Microsoft without all the... Well, Microsoft, I'd imagine.
  • No, they wouldn't. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I'm trying to figure out what exactly is "all the good from Microsoft". Do you mean "all the good from Lumias without the Microsoft"? In which case I'm assuming you're referring to camera tech and build quality.
  • Pretty much that, yeah. Lumina's price point, Cameras and build quality where always extremely top-notch - especially on their mid-class devices. They could be serious competition for Motorola or even Samsung if they ran Android.
  • Well, it's too soon to tell, but I think you can expect Nokia phones to use Nokia technology. So the imaging tech will almost certainly be there and the build quality too. And yes, it will run Android. As for the prices though, I am not so sure. Remember, Nokia will be leaving the manufacturing to a third party and that third party has to profit. So I wouldn't expect them to make phones at a loss which is what happens with most mid-range phones and all low-end phones.
    I believe Nokia's future offerings will be focusing on showcasing Nokia tech more than trying to take over the market. As such, I would expect (and hope) Nokia to focus on very premium high-end devices only.
  • Their high end phones were still $600-700 and that was when they manufactured them. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Nokia already made some android phones, look up Nokia X, X2 and XL
  • Nokia Here isn't from Microsoft. It was from Nokia that is now sold to a German auto consortium
  • That is partially correct. Nokia HERE isn't Microsoft's true. But Microsoft acquired a license to use HERE as their maps provider. That's why Russell said it. Microsoft offerings in the map department are powered by Nokia HERE. (Also, Nokia hasn't sold the mapping division yet. The deal is still going through the regulator approvals etc and is only expected to close in 2016. Until it closes, Nokia is still in charge).
  • MS will be in good position with Cyanogen OS if thing continue to fruit from this partnership. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Nothing good has ever come from cm +++ Insert witty signature, watch as others not get it, profit +++
  • MS can't really lose, though. If CyanogenOS flops, they are exactly where they started. If it does OK, Microsoft gains a bunch of new software users. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Maybe they should have used all this effort to produce Windows-based phones that are competitive.
  • I don't see a point of an Adroid phone without Google apps and using MS services. If so, what's the point of Windows mobile?
  • It is not about Google, the company. Let's start with Bing. Is it a reliable search engine? I've tried using it multiple times before I ditched the app angrily. They never did it right. How about app stores? If there was no Play Store and services integration (Play Games, Drive and whatever entails), what is the point of getting an Android smartphone? Same goes to Amazon store as above. If it was good enough to replace Google's, BlackBerry, for instance, wouldn't have tumbled as of late. Posted.
  • I honestly believe this is actually a path Microsoft will take (and I was almost eaten alive at WCentral when I said it). But the truth is, it's just logical.
    Windows Phone 10 (or Windows 10 Mobile, call it what you want, it's not real Windows 10) will go nowhere. Universal apps are a romantic concept that will crash with the reality that is: mobile and desktop aren't the same and people don't want the same experience in both. The apps that make the mobile platforms aren't designed with desktop users in mind and desktop programms aren't designed to be neither apps nor have mobile users in mind. So, as I see it, along with the demise of Windows Phone and the failure of Windows Phone 10, Microsoft will likely just embrace Android and do exactly this. Put out an Android-based smartphone that offers all the Microsoft services you'd expect from a "Windows Phone" with the added bonus of giving users the freedom to customize, change and opt (freedom which isn't given on WP due to its Apple-esque nature) like real Windows does.
    In fact, I believe that a Microsoft-services-powered Android will be closer to be a real mobile Windows experience than any Windows Phone. And I personally would have zero problems with that. I'm among those who doesn't use almost any Google services. Email, calendar, office tools, cloud...all of that is Microsoft on my phone because I live in a Microsoft ecosystem (PC, tablet, console). So if I can get an Android phone with Microsoft services backed in it, I will very likely consider it. And I don't even see Google opposing this. Actually, so long as Microsoft respects the guidelines for PlayStore-certification I don't even see as too far-fetched a Microsoft Android Phone with Google-Services. After all, let us remind ourselves that Google was and is build on top of Windows machines. Microsoft could very well reverse that on mobile and build their services on top of Google's Android too. And that would actually bring a nice balance to the Force.
  • I wouldn't have a problem with it either if it had Play Services, Play Store and true freedom when it comes to search engines. Posted.
  • I think DJCBS said it well: I'm running an Android phone using Bing as my default search engine, Outlook for email (including GMail access), Office for docs, Office Lens for scanning, but still need access to Hangouts (yuk, but needed), and other apps that don't exist on the WP platform and I'm not sure ever will. So Microsoft gets most of my eyeballs when I'm on the device, even with an Android operating system. And seeing Microsoft purchase yet another company, this time for a second lock screen, means that there are more opportunities for people to use their services and reduce their dependency on Google. I'm thinking more and more that in the long term, this is going to be the end result. Two major operating systems, iOS and Android, with Microsoft having a large user base on both.
  • I agree that Windows Mobile will eventually be shuttered. But I don't agree that MS will make a MS branded Android phone. Why should they? If you can get all your apps and services on others platforms whats the use in needlessly spending money on making hardware. MS has been a software company for 40 years. They have made software and services that nearly a billion people use everyday. Why not continue on that path. Who cares what hardware your users are using as long as they are using your software. Whether they are a iOS user Android user or any other platform happens to pop up as long as they are using your software and services who cares? MS should just stick to what they do best make great productivity apps and continue to offer great services such as OneDrive,Outlook Mail, Skype, Groove Music and any other services that crop up in the future. MS can rake in billions of dollars while Apple and Google battle it out to make the hardware.
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  • Wow! That's the smartest thing you've ever said!
  • I can't stop grinning over this.
  • I kind of like OneNote but it's not very intuitive in the mobile form. I still prefer Keep and Evernote. Google Maps still does its job for me as well. I do love Lens but it seems to have lost the ability to edit once you complete your scan (or I've forgotten how). Posted using SwiftKey on my LG G4 via the Android Central App
  • Nice! Can't wait to see it. via AC App on
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  • I'm already doing this :)
    Running Nova Prime and most Google apps & services are replaced with Microsoft's - it works great :D
    Outlook, OneDrive, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Skype, Lync, Sunrise, Office Lens, Xbox One SmartGlass, Cortana, Authenticator, etc. However, their launcher (Arrow) and their lock screens (Next and now also Echo) are not for me at this point.
  • I use a mix of google and Microsoft's services. I mainly use onedrive on Microsoft, I use keep on my phone but onedrive on desktop.
    I still don't think I can switch from chrome to edge...
    But I use Bing as my search engine in chrome anyways Posted via Android Central App on 1+1
  • Does it come with the Blue Screen feature?
  • I am not a big fan of MS. Never have been. Windows just doesn't do it for me. It pays my bills, though, because other people like it and I'm OK with that.
    I am also OK with them making an Android phone. I think competition makes each platform a little better. Look at the inspiration some companies have drawn from how others have handled notifications, for example. I think, no matter your preference for phone OS, we all kinda get something cool.
  • I live in Microsoft-land here (one of their satellite offices is across the road) but still don't trust the company. They have pretended to embrace open standards and technology in the past while undermining said technology with their EEE policy. Yes, that was under Balmer. Yes, the new guy seems different. No, I still don't trust them. Time will tell.
  • Ummm ... no. I do not see what purpose this article serves beyond Rene Ritchie and Killian Bell (of style clickbait. Exactly what problem does an Android phone solve for Microsoft? 1. No Google Play Store means no apps. Not just Google apps and services (which includes things that Microsoft cannot compete with or replace like YouTube and Chromecast). It means virtually none of the best third party apps. The Google Play store is already the red-headed stepchild to Apple's App Store, able to compete only because Android outnumbers iOS by like 4 to 1, and even then it takes a cheap-to-freemium strategy to monetize. The Microsoft app store is literally off the map, ignored by even major developers with huge budgets. 2. The Android OS means that it isn't compatible with the rest of the Windows' ecosystem. Not that Microsoft actually has an ecosystem to speak of ... just phones, tablets, 2-in-1s, PCs and Xbox that doesn't really play well together, but at least they have the same basic OS. If you are heavily invested in Windows and want to take advantage of the little cross-compatibility that Windows' devices do offer each other and hold out hope that Microsoft WILL build an ecosystem that is at least as good as Google's (let alone a true one like Apple's or - as much as I hate to admit it - Samsung's ... and oh yeah LG has one too sorta) then you are better off sticking with a Windows device. And hope that JUST MAYBE your Windows phone will actually be able to talk to the Windows Media Player that you have running on your Windows PC some day or that your Windows Phone will one day appear to your Windows PC as something other than merely external storage. (I owned a Windows Phone once ... they can't and don't). I mean, you would think that a legacy software company that has been around since literally mainframe computers roamed the earth would be able to figure out some sort of parallel or distributed computing to make mobile device interaction with PCs more useful since today's mobile phones have more memory and CPU power than the devices that ran Windows Server did just 7 or 8 years ago but ... ah forget Microsoft who cares about them and their taking 20 years to meaningfully update a mere web browser (and totally failing at that). I think that we are forgetting: companies have been there and done that. Samsung looked long and hard at forking their own Android, and they even came up with their own apps and services. They decided that it wasn't viable. Then there is Amazon, who forked Android from the beginning. Their tablet sales have fallen off the map even with their practically giving the things away at cost (and having frequent sales where they actually lose money per device sale) and are now going to try a last gasp: $50 tablets to compete with the white box numbers (dishonestly being labeled as RCA and other former name brand companies that do not exist anymore) being sold at discount stores. But hey, at least they are still selling tablets (for now)! They were in the business of selling phones for less than a year. So if an Android heavyweight like Samsung and a company that can market their own devices for free ad nauseum on their own website like Amazon couldn't make it work without the Google Play Store, what makes anyone think that Microsoft can? Microsoft's only avenue: China, where Google Play has been blocked, and even when/if a partial version launches along with Huawei's Nexus 6, won't have anywhere near the profile that it has elsewhere in the world, so much so that it is being sued as a monopoly on like 3 continents. And even if Microsoft tries to leverage its brand in China where competing against Google Play isn't a factor, they will still have to compete against Xiaomi, Huawei, Lenovo and the rest of the local brands (plus the Taiwanese and South Korean companies like Asus, HTC, LG and oh yeah Samsung). Unless they can come up with a compelling product or market strategy ... not a chance. And then again, if they were capable of coming up with a great product or marketing hook in China (or anywhere else for that matter) they would have used it to push their own Windows phones. If Microsoft wants to sell Android phones - or if they want to sell mobile devices period - they are then they need to put either the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store on their devices. Since the latter obviously isn't going to happen, then they are left with the Play Store. Google would be glad to have them because it would give Google the one thing that Android needs: a large western company with deep pockets to help the platform's marketing/publicity problems in the western media. If Microsoft (or more accurately Microsoft with Google's help) comes up with a way to make the devices meaningfully interact with the hundreds of millions of WIndows PCs out there, then the combined ecosystems and platforms would dominate. But Microsoft won't do it because they are too proud. They even chose to write off their Nokia investment instead of doing the one thing that would have saved it. (Can you imagine how a Microsoft-made and marketed Google Nexus would have sold? It would have been bonkers ... at least by Nexus standards.) So just continue to hope for a Nokia Android phone. (Google could/should humiliate Microsoft by making the 2016 Nexus a Nokia device.) That's the closest you will ever get to a pipe dream like this being a market success.
  • ^ psycho long post ^
  • He lost me at Ummm
  • ...... Posted via the Android Central App
  • What problem does it solve? I don't even have to read the 1000 words you wrote. It keeps windows apps relevant in the mobile space which in turn makes it less likely for you to switch your pc apps to keep what you use in sync which in turn allows Microsoft to keep selling windows, office, skydive, whatever... And they make two buck on hardware that they cannot sell with win10mo +++ Insert witty signature, watch as others not get it, profit +++
  • Another person who doesn't understand what 'clickbait' is. *sigh* Posted via the Android Central App
  • "Can you imagine how a Microsoft-made and marketed Google Nexus would have sold? " Based on how Microsoft has been selling phones, I would have to guess poorly.
    It isn't like having a Microsoft made Nexus device would cause anybody to want one, given that they aren't exactly known for phones, and worse, Nexus devices don't even mention anywhere which company built them. I've owned multiple Nexus devices and I think maybe somewhere in the fine print on my Nexus 5 box it said something like "LG Nexus 5", but that was it - it was nowhere on the phone itself or in the software.
    I'm pretty sure Google handles the marketing on those.
  • I can agree with this article especially since recently I've grown very fond of one note particularly. I got Microsoft Office automatically because it was bundled on my new galaxy note 5. This is clearly the best "bloat" that has ever been prepackaged! I started realizing I could pull stuff off of my google Drive like my presentations from work and see it as intended with no defect on my mobile devices. Microsoft is making a very big comeback in the useful software department and has definitely earned a place on my mobile devices going forward. Posted from my Beast Galaxy Note 5 DEVICE HISTORY (since they got smart)
    PHONES: Galaxy Nexus, LG viper, Galaxy s3, HTC Evo 4g, Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy s5, LG G-Flex, Galaxy Mega 6.3, Galaxy s6 edge, Galaxy Note 5. TABLETS: Galaxy Note 10.1 gt-n8013, Galaxy tab 3 7.0. WATCH: Galaxy gear
  • Windows Central fanboys would die of strokes en masse. Posted via the Android Central App
  • That is a toxic bunch over there Posted via the Android Central App
  • Crackberry didn't fold (unfortunately) but the sky was falling there too. Now with that androberry the same is going on +++ Insert witty signature, watch as others not get it, profit +++
  • Why? WC fan here. Could care less if I get all my apps and a stable platform to use them on. My LG G4 with all my MS apps makes me happy. As does my Lumia 640XL. (and my iPad Mini 2). I am actually hoping that MS releases a ROM for my LG G4 that I can flash over. I think it'd be fantastic. Also, not that we're "supposed" to be doing it, but porting android apps to windows phone is working quite well when sideloaded. not that I'd know anything about that. Youtube it.
  • Apparently you don't read any comments that are related to MS supporting Android or any threads on the topic... Lol. That's why. Filled with rage. And this is a whole new level is MS supporting Android, if true... I think it's great for MS, personally. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Actually I spend a lot of time on WC, hence the fan comment. Not really filled with rage, can't speak for anyone else but I'm disappointed. MS should have spent more time and energy on their own platform than Android or iOS. The platform itself is headed in the right direction, but it's clear that Microsoft isn't going to put its own platform first. So now I just need to decide if I prefer iOS or Android. And that kinda pisses me off.
  • Well, if your level headed my comment wasn't aimed at you. ;). I read over there, daily, as well. My last 3 devices were WP. Surely you know the kind I'm referring to? ;) Posted via the Android Central App
  • I actually am a Windows Fanboy, but work forced me to look at iOS (NEVER) and Android (I've tried to like it, LG Flex, Galaxy 4, never gave enough satisfaction). Then I saw and bought the NEXUS 6. I liked it, and installed as many Microsoft Apps as I could ( I know, sacrilege!) I have to say, the NEXUS runs all those apps as good, if not better than my 1520, 1020,920. The shape Windows Phone (not Windows Mobile, as I believe they are separate) is in has me convinced unless I see something that blows my mind, I will be sticking with and enjoying this unholy hybrid as long as I can. I think Microsoft is looking at offering a suite of Apps that are familiar and work just like your Desktop and and banking on that for the future. I like that I get regular updates and an active forum too! Cheers. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Totally interesting. would love to see it occur Posted via the Android Central App
  • I'm interested in a surface 4 when it comes out but I concerned about connectivity with my Note 4. In other words I like have compatibility where I could use things like pushbullet to answer from my phone and tablet. Anyone who has a surface 3 or has any idea about how compatible windows tablet like surface 3 is to android or iOS? How good does it handle notifications?
  • Since you use pushbullet already, just install the desktop app to send anything that can be sent from PB through the PC (pick your flavor PC it all works). Until Cortana is fully released and has access to android notifications (like the MS band does) it will not have another means to "transport" your notifications to the desktop. For now, Pusbullet is king. Using it for a very long time now, quite happy. Meantime, if you want to carry over your stuff from Android to PC, install the appropriate MS apps, HERE Maps, OneNote, OneDrive, Office, Microsoft Authenticator, Bing, etc. That's how I use my LG G4, works exceptionally well.
  • Not interested in phone without Google services. I use few Microsoft apps like OneNote, One drive, at work all the office products, Cortana sometimes but still Google is my main go to service for personal needs. I can already get the Microsoft apps on my android phone on top awesome Google services so will only be interested if it has both Google and Microsoft service. Posted via the Android Central App
  • This is very interesting, I've always had this love/hate relationship with MS. While their office programs and pc OS are clearly the industry standard especially in the business world, they have never seemed to master their mobile platforms right. Many years ago, I gave MS' mobile platform a couple of tries. I liked what they were doing, but it was very poorly executed. Their old mobile software was riddled with lock ups/freezes among many other bugs. I eventually went to Blackberry which left me satisfied. Then Google came along with Android and I was hooked. Their 'office' alternatives are fine with me although I fully acknowledge that there are power users out there that have more demanding needs than me. While I am very curious to see where MS takes this new endeavor, I find myself more than satisfied with what Google (Alphabet) and Android offers me right now, and I'll hardheartedly admit that I am somewhat of a Google fanboy. Yet, there is still a part of me that would like to see MS finally get it right when it comes to their mobile solutions.
  • Is Microsoft adopting material design? If not, it's going to look weird with the different look icons scattered around.
  • Material design is not a necessity +++ Insert witty signature, watch as others not get it, profit +++
  • Yes. it is.
  • I'd like to know exactly where it says so...
  • Pretty much sums up how I use my LG G4.
  • So Chinese phones in china without Google play are dying? To much emphasise on it. I would say good hardware+solid update plan+affordable price will be a winner. Opening the phone up for developers to create ROMs help immensely. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Cortana (in its current state) still wouldn't tie in to Bing the app. That's my only complaint here.) But then again, the next Cyanogen will do to Cortana on Android what MSFT has done to Cortana on Windows 10 (Mobile,) MSFT knew which basket to put their eggs on...
  • Could somebody please share a link to that wallpaper on the phone? It looks awesome! :D
  • If you're interested in it for your computer, that's easy. Go to and click the back button (maybe twice, as it's Sunday's image) in the bottom right area and mouse over info and there is a download link. If you want it for your phone wallpaper, I'm not sure. Crop the original, I guess. I don't see an easy way to do it from the Bing app, but there is probably something I'm missing.
  • As someone whose been a long time lumia user, recently transitioned to samsung s6 edge plus due to the Ludacris display, I must say I'm missing the deep integration of services microsoft had on its phones. This is from the point of view of someone who's deeply embedded in Microsoft services both in work and non work. The seamless transitioning from email to note capturing to meetings to presentation to prototyping to expense reporting is just.. well.. seamless. Office 365, lens, instanote, outlook, lumias intuitive calendar, power saving mode with fine grain apps toggle, Internet Explorer metro and desktop, WiFi share, etc. Heck I find Cortana heaps more useful than Google now. Of course everything is tied together by onedrive so I'm confident that everything I do has an ecopy on the cloud. Notice as well in my work flow scenario above everything is serviced by Microsoft so apps all talk to each other without extra configuration. It made me wonder what made android so special, until I realised all the local establishments and services around me have its own android or ios Apps and none in Microsoft. Popular ones like uber and FB have missing functionalities it's sad to think about. I'm trying to replicate my lumia experience now they I've moved on to android. Outlook and sunrise just isn't that seamless. Onedrive is its own app and does not integrate deeply enough to the os nor do apps play friendly with it, if at all. Hotmail events don't talk to samsung or Google calendars. OK google is just silly compared hey Cortina, but both are trumped by "cheesecake" c/o s voice. All in all I feel more productive using my trusty lumia 930 (and 920 before, and lumia 1520, and the beloved 808), but I suspect I won't be coming back to a Windows phone anytime soon. I'll still try to piece together my microsoft services life, but eventually that too might go.
  • Did you really jump ship just because of how impressed you were with the Edge display? Certainly can't be the only reason.
  • I wouldn't touch an Android phone with Microsoft services and no Google services with a barge pole. Microsoft should realise that they're better at desktop than mobile as Windows Phone has proved and I'm not interested or convinced by Windows 10 mobile. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • I would greatly welcome a Windows 10 experience through Android. I've been a Windows phone user for years, finally went to the Note 4 for its organization capabilities and I love it, except for the Google defaults. I look forward to Arrow and the future between the two.
  • "... and of course OneDrive to connect them" and in the darkness bind them.
    In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.
  • I was saying exactly this in another comment thread recently (Re Cortanna and Cyanogen), at some point it will just become a "why not?" situation for Microsoft. I'm sure Edge will make it to Android at some point soon, but not before the launch of Windows don't-call-it-mobile 10, so that Microsoft can demonstrate it's features that "no other operating system has"... Until they release it for Android and iOS and everyone has it. Posted via the Android Central App
  • No. Posted via the Nexus 6 via the Android Central App. Android Central Moderator.
  • I would love to see a Win 10 launcher from Microsoft replace my Google Now launcher. Seems like a way to get people turned onto windows phones when they come out and into the OS itself
  • It's good to see that Microsoft has woken up these past few years to remember they are primarily a software company and its all about having your software product on as many machines and devices as possible. Doesn't matter if they are competing hardware systems just get the software on there and users using it. Surprised they didn't offer Windows 10 as a free install to Mac users...then again the day is young.
  • I'd like to see a "desktop" mode on W10 Mobile, which they may be planning, I'm not sure. I think a lot of people are put off by the "metro" UI (they're not legally allowed to call it that) and prefer the Android and Apple UI, which is basically like a standard Windows desktop (excluding W8). When I had WP7, it was very stable, very responsive. I left because of the app gap, and lack of certain customization. The app gap is declining (W10 will add more), but as Android gets more restrictive and my phones get more laggy, I'm leaning toward going back once my phone is paid off and they have a flagship again.
  • Windows 10 Mobile is basically a tweaked version of their Modern UI from WP7 and WP8. Their (live) tiles are here to stay. People want what their friends/family tell them is cool. ;). (The majority, not the minority who frequent forums) Posted via the Android Central App
  • Read up on Continuum. Also, check out the drag and drop sideloading of android apps to windows 10 mobile, also the 950XL is on it's way.
  • Sorry, I should clarify that I like the Modern UI. My main interest in "desktop" mode is for interest in the OS for other people. Of course, I like having a background image mostly uncovered by apps, like I have in Android. Although their see-through tile setup would probably help a little. I've seen a bit on Continuum (I frequent Windows Central), and I think it looks intriguing. I'm not sure how much I would use it on a phone though. I already use a tablet, and I have a laptop for work. Maybe I'll eliminate my desktop some day, and keep the majority of files on a portabls SSD, but my home PC is still pretty good. I also like the look of the 950(XL), but I imagine something even newer will be out next year at this time when I'm paid up on my current phone.
  • I wouldn't touch Windows 10 mobile with a barge pole. If Android were to become restricted and laggy I would go back to iOS instead. But as it stands Android is still head and shoulders above both iOS and Windows Phone /10. I'm not convinced by Windows 10 mobile despite continuum. Also I hate the Windows Phone/10 metro UI. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • I no longer trust MS with my data. I have been a huge fan of MS and was very excited to see the direction they were going. I reluctantly bought a Android phone three years ago because there were no apps for my much loved Windows Phone. Since then, Android has grown up and now I am a huge Android fan, but not so much of Google. I defended MS and felt they were less likely then Google to mine my data and couldn't wait for them to get more apps on Android. Then Win 10 came out. Ugh, the sneaky nature of what MS has done with privacy on the OS is unheard of in the tech business. At least with Google, you can be pretty sure when you say NO to your data and shut things off the Android OS, they will respect it. I am going away from everything MS. I am going to spread the love around to smaller companies.
  • Sorry to break it to ya, if your device is connected to the web, its bring mined by someone. Definitely the NSA... Lol. Posted via the Android Central App
  • You should read the EULA for both services instead of listening to clickbait articles. Google's use of your search, location and text/emails is light years more invasive than Windows 10. Microsoft is trying to make Cortana smart and helpful. Google is selling you out to anyone and everyone to make billions. Consider so earns money in advertising and who earns money selling software/subscriptions. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Err no, Google also uses your data so it improves your experience and tailors it to your preferences. There's nothing wrong with that. I do use a lot of Google services especially YouTube and Google+ so it doesn't bother me. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • The part you keep missing in all of your posts is..."In my opinion". Try it sometime, because you clearly don't have the facts.
  • Uhm, I think I said I don't trust Google either. But there is a major difference between Google and what MS has done. I work in the tech world and I know exactly what data they are mining. The difference being, when you look at the actual code and see what data google is mining, they are pretty straight forward in telling you exactly what they are taking and how they are taking it, and when you say NO, it stops. Some you can't say NO too, and they tell you that (ie gmail and searches, etc). MS (Win 10)on the other hand is trying to hide what they are taking. When you look at where data is going and the tricks involved in getting it, there is a major difference vs Google, In short, the idea that if you are going to be online, you better expect to give up all your data is BS. Only I will choose who, when, where, and how I will be willing to give it up. And I do give it up in many situations, but only knowingly and willingly. My facts are not based on clickbait articles, it is based on choice. Kind of like when someone asks to borrow $20 from me and explains how and why they need it, so I chose to give it to them, VERSUS discovering $20 missing from my wallet and the person says I gave them roundabout permission in some off handed conversation a month ago, so they sneak into my house and take the money and then claim I gave them permission. Big difference.
  • As long as we can flash a stock Android on it, that should not be bad!
  • I would be happy with that. I don't use a lot of Google services so that would work with me. If the apps are there is a comparable app store then that stays as updated as the Google play store they would probably succeed with this. Posted via the Android Central App
  • I really think a Google Play Services free Cyanogen OS device with Microsoft apps and services is actually pretty close to happening. I'm running Outlook, Office, Groove, Xbox One and OneDrive on my Android and an pretty pleased with it. Still some work to do on Outlook (needs account highlighting and CalDAV) and I haven't really found a reason to use Skype yet, but I really like how this supports my workload in between Windows PCs. I would like to get away from Hangouts/Messenger, Chrome and Google Search but sadly that's not happening any time soon. And Google maps are still king, so it's a solid compromise. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Not using Cortana instead of Google Search? I'm looking forward to a Cyanogen OS device with MS plugged in...I'm hoping that they really integrate it so it works well. A half-baked release will not do them any favors.
  • I Think The Problem Will Be That Most People Don't Like Change, So If There Used To Their Google Made Apps, They're Going To Stick With Them. Microsoft Apps Are Gonna Have To Be Really Really Good, Or Else They Won't Stick. Also I Think Russell Holley Is Wrong, I Don't Think There Is That Much Anticipation For A Microsoft Made Android Smartphone. Just Look At The Case Of The Amazon Fire Phone & At Least They Had The Very Comparable Amazon App Store To Replace The Google Play Store With. I Don't Know About You, But I Don't Think The Windows Store Is Very Good At All.
  • That has to be very time consuming, capitalizing the first letter of every word like that... You're gonna wear out your shift key
  • The Windows Phone store sucks just like the rest of Windows Phone. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • LOL! How would a Google shill like you who has never even used Windows Phone know anything about it. Oh that's right, you wouldn't. You need to get better at trolling, because the only thing that sucks is your desperate trolling.
  • I have used a Windows Phone actually, a Lumia 535 and it sucked no YouTube or Google play services and most of my apps and the apps that were available were inferior to it's Android and iOS counterparts and that UI, don't get me stone that crap UI and keyboard. Windows and Phone sucks and that's not just my opinion it's the entire tech industry's opinion. Microsoft just don't have what it takes in mobile and have long since lost to Android. Continue with your delusion that Windows Phone or Windows 10 is worth anything. Go where you're actually wanted, to Windows Central and mix with all the other Windows Phone /10 trolls, you'll feel right at home. Tell someone who actually cares what you think. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • A Microsoft based Android phone would flop just like their Windows base phones already have. I respect Microsoft for Windows 10 desktop but Microsoft sucks at mobile which Windows Phone has proved and Windows 10 mobile will prove that Microsoft just don't have what it takes to succeed in the mobile OS space. Google already owns the mobile OS space with Android. I wouldn't use an Android phone without Google services. Posted via the Android Central App via My Nexus 6
  • You don't have a damn clue what what the hell you're talking about. You're just another ignorant, clueless fanboy spouting BS. The Windows Phone 8 OS is a very, very good OS and superior to Android in so many ways it's not even funny. It has a superior user experience, better performance, and it's far better optimized and runs far better on lower end hardware. It's also far more secure and doesn't suffer from the enormous malware that Android does. " Google already owns the mobile OS space with Android." Who cares how much market share Google has in mobile when they can't make any money off the damn thing? Google makes little to no money from Android. Apple makes 92% of all the profits in mobile, with Samsung and Microsoft making the rest. Microsoft makes far more money off of Android than Google does. So in essence, Google doesn't own squat.
  • I wouldn't say that. Indeed, Google makes a lot of money through search on Android, through ads displayed on Chrome and apps and even from sales on Google Play...
  • Since when sales are the only criterion—or even a criterion—used to define quality?!
    Betamax was much better than VHS and it failed. HDVD was better than Blue Ray and it failed too. Microsoft has been late to the touch-screen smartphone party but it doesn't mean Microsoft sucks at mobile; it just means that sales figures suck! That's all.
  • The problem with a Microsoft Android phone would be getting them into the carriers to be sold. Another issue is all those who have been hanging on and supporting the Windows Phone platform will be screwed over again as they have been time after time,because everyone knows that they will cease developing for it and let it die. I understand from a business standpoint of them needing to do this and the lure of the Android users, but the backlash from long time WP users will be deafening. My main concern is if those who develop the apps for the mobile division will be moved to those who are doing the apps for Android. It seems to me that they don't have any idea of what their own users want or post on their user voice site. They surely don't know how to fix what is broken now and I see problems with them doing Android While the prospects seem likely that this will happen I don't think much of how Microsoft has treated it's own core users with continual promises of fixes and better experiences when it has left a great deal to be desired. Heck they just sent notice of soon killing off a widely used and loved music app Zune for a really crappy one Grooves... and I would bet that they will have whatever phone they come out with locked up tighter than a drum too... Nope IMHO they should fix their own Windows mobile phone for the sake of their respective users. Posted from my AT&T 64 gig black Galaxy Note 5
  • Groove was crappy when it launched, after numerous updates it's not crappy at all. In fact, it's quite good now. As for experience, the WP8.1 user experience was fantastic. So was WP7 before it. We'll have to see how good Windows 10 Mobile is.
  • It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Microsoft could do this, but you're basing your statement that they're close on absolutely no evidence. There is no evidence that Microsoft is close to making Android devices. However, if it happens, their devices would likely be the best Android devices on the market bar none. Microsoft will give Windows 10 Mobile a good two to three years of effort, and if it doesn't move the needle, then I could see them just using Android.
  • Imho, anything can beat keep. Keep is to simple and isn't as advanced as Evernote or OneNote.
  • Only with android that Verizon can do that, they can't not even add 1 single app to the iPhone. Android got me upset sometimes, why they let US carrier do whatever the want. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Not a fan of OneNote for Android. But MSN Money is much better than Bloomberg (Android or BB10). Posted via the Android Central App on my BlackBerry Passport
  • Using Microsoft for school and the apps are great to have even if not bulletproof. Still have crashes and odd behavior with 365 and Excel. Posted via the Android Central App
  • Windows 10 has been exposed as spyware disguised as an operating system, therefore Microsoft is now confirmed to be a state-run entity, ironically no different to what the US government accuses Huawei of being, only that we actually have evidence of MS' crimes.
    There is no point Microsoft making any more devices, either windows or android, as we must assume they will come with backdoors now, in both the hardware and software, at the request of the nsa etc.
  • I would rather prefer that both the OS remain different on their own. No need to mix them up. May be I am wrong but that's what I think. Posted via the Android Central App on my Galaxy S3 Neo Dual Sim which thankfully doesn't have S-pen and does not have a horrible metal body.
  • Of course a Microsoft handset running Android will be good. Microsoft has made money off Android sales since the Ballmer years and under Nadella they prioritize their mobile efforts into developing apps and services for Android and iOS users ahead of their own Windows 10 mobile platform.
  • Nice article, I think Microsoft is worried more about iOS and Android users using their services/subscription than Windows Mobile and the importance of Project Astoria to increase Windows Mobile marketshare.
    That's too bad, since those new Lumia 950, 950XL flagships are not going to get all the apps a smartphone user could wish: Uber, Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, to name a few of the most popular apps which are always far behind iOS and Android in number of features, security, design, etc.
  • that´s right! ch0ice ...
  • Microsoft and Android really go together