Is hating on the new Galaxy the new hating on the new iPhone?

The vicious cycle of rumors, upgrades and lofty expectations.

We have a problem. By we, I mean all of us. The media, the carriers, the manufacturers, and the customers. That problem is expectations, how we pump them up, and how we react when they aren't met.

The rumor cycle leading up to recent device launches has been particularly vicious. I can't tell you how many times I saw "bigger" thrown out there in anticipation of the iPhone 5s launch — and again now that the iPhone 6 is on the horizon — or how insane the rumors were of a 2K display for the Samsung Galaxy S5 (I had a 1500-word editorial in the waiting just for the occasion).

We were spoiled by the first few generations of the modern smartphone. After years of iterative developments at the hands of Nokia, Palm, and BlackBerry, Apple shocked us all with a great leap forward in the iPhone. Google soon followed with Android and partners like HTC, LG, and Samsung.

Those first few years were exciting. Smartphone technology was rapidly advancing. Processors got faster and more efficient than most of us could appreciate. Our screens went from 3.5-inches at 320x480 to 4- to 5-inches with pixels so small our eyes couldn’t perceive them. We got new sensors before we knew what to do with them, radios that leapt from EDGE to HSPA to LTE, and devices that got thinner and stronger while getting more and more life out of their batteries.

We went from radical reinvention of the smartphone back to iterative generations.

And then things kind of slowed down. We went from radical reinvention of the smartphone back to iterative generations. The Samsung Galaxy S3, for example, was appreciably better than any of the variants of the Galaxy S2 that had preceded it. But when the Galaxy S4 came out, it was met with a chorus of “that’s it?” — as if we were entitled to more.

It’s happened again with the Galaxy S5. We got so used to such rapid advancement that we’re having trouble accepting that our minds aren’t going to be blown with every iteration of a device. Just check out the conversation in our Galaxy S5 forums to see how people feel.

The Galaxy S5 is a better smartphone than the Galaxy S4. It’s not wildly better, but it’s still a marked improvement. The screen is better, slightly larger yes, and still 1080p, but with improved color and brightness response. The camera is faster. The phone is resistant to water and dust. It’s a better phone.

Samsung Galaxy S4 and Galaxy S5

In fact, as Samsung pointed out in their remarkably calm announcement of the Galaxy S5, the areas that they focused on were the areas that their customers had expressed as pain points. Those customers aren’t the kind of people that are likely to read this editorial.

No, they’re the other tens of millions of people who’ve bought a smartphone and wished it took better and faster photos. Or that they could make the battery last longer when they really needed it to. Or that an errant splash when doing the dishes didn’t mean the end of their phone.

They’re normal people, such as they are, with normal people problems. They just want the phone to work. They’re the people that Samsung focused on when developing the Galaxy S5.

It’s odd to see the kind of reaction that some have had to the Galaxy S5. It’s as if they expected some sort of miracle.

It’s odd to see the kind of reaction that some have had to the Galaxy S5. It’s as if they expected some sort of miracle. Truth is, the miraculous rise of technology that we’ve witness over the past few years isn’t really that miraculous. It’s economies of scale. Throw enough resources at something and it will happen.

This kind of reaction used to be reserved exclusively for whatever the latest iPhone was, and it was just as perplexing then. The new iPhone would come out, and half the time it looked almost identical to the old one. Apple is the master of iteration — just look at the MacBook Pro line, which has retained the same basic lines and styling for the past six years. But because it didn't appear to be a radically new phone, it was panned, and that reaction has grown more fierce with each generation. The unwarranted angst and disappointment heaped upon the iPhone 5s was boggling and absurd.

Samsung Galaxy S5 and iPhone 5s

The power and capabilities of each generation of iPhone have outstripped its predecessors. The iOS software typically gained a new feature that was either leaps and bounds beyond what the competition had dreamed up — say, Siri — or took an idea from the competition and implemented it in a way that better fit iOS and was more user-friendly.

That might be enraging to the tech elite to see advanced features dumbed down like that, but it’s good for the general public. Most of us are not coders. Most of us don’t know the difference between a Gigahertz and a Gigabyte. They know that LTE is faster than whatever they had before, but that’s just because they’ve been bombarded with advertising. They think that a 20-megapixel camera must be better than a 13-megapixel camera, because that’s a bigger number.

The general public knows how to operate one in the most basic sense and uses it to do the most basic things.

The general public is tech dumb. Just like the general public is typically car dumb. They know how to operate one in the most basic sense and use it to do the most basic things, never pushing it to the limit of what it’s actually capable of. And so the car is designed around that idea. It’s easy to drive with clearly designed controls that aren’t tiring to use. Today’s cars are taking more and more of the load off of the user, making us more comfortable and asking us to do less to accomplish the same goal.

That’s what Apple’s been doing all these years, and that’s what Samsung’s been doing with the past few generations of the Galaxy S. The Samsung Galaxy S5 is and will continue to be one of the best smartphones out there. And Samsung is going to continue to refine and update their devices to make them more consumer friendly.

Samsung Galaxy S5

In the end it’s not the number of cores or how fast they’re clocked, it’s not the type of RAM used or what kind of fingerprint sensor is installed. It’s how it all works and how easy it is for the user to pick up on that.

We forget that smartphones are tools. We get wrapped up in the specifications and speculation. We want faster processors and sharper screens and slimmer designs, and we want it all now. And then we bitch and moan when our lofty expectations aren’t met by a company with no obligation to meet them.

Samsung isn’t designing a smartphone for you, nor is Apple. They’re designing and building and selling smartphones that are designed for the masses, smartphones that are meant to be sold by the millions.

These are Toyota Camrys, not Ferraris. Maybe there’s space in the smartphone world for somebody to make a true performance device with high end specs, features, design, and price (sorry, Vertu, all you’ve got is the price and half of the design equation), but we can’t be mad at Samsung for making a Galaxy S5 that’s meant to fix the woes of the average user.


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Is hating on the new Galaxy the new hating on the new iPhone?


No... huge difference!

The iPhone has substantive design, build quality, functionality, and perceived ease of use. The hating or disappointment among the Apple community (user group) is very small.

The disdain and vitriol expressed by the Android user community for the S4 and now the S5 is more related to cheap "feeling" build quality, bland, anachronistic, toyish design, cartoonish unnatural looking amoled display, and a throw it at the wall and see what sticks, inelegant "bloated" Touchwiz user interface.

As you say in the article, the general public is tech dumb. What matters is elegant design, perceived beauty, ease of use, and functionality.

When approaching mass market adoption, price or cost/benefit also becomes relevant.


Instead of talking about the S5 we should be talking about how much better the Z2 is compared to the competition.

And that pisses me off!! I want that phone on AT&T now not 8 months from now.

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Looking at all the new devices coming out, I have realized that my GalaxyS3 on 4.3 rooted with extended batteries and cases is still the go to device of the masses.
The S4 and S5 are in themselves just iterations of one of the best Android devices every assembled.
The fact that people that know me, know that I'm a phone geek and don't understand why I'm content with my GS3, is very amusing and gratifying.

In the tech community, the GS3 is also known as the SuperNexus. Its what the Galaxy Nexus should've been and the tech in it has withstood the test of time. There is a reason why GS3's are still being sold in masses.

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(ZeroLemon 7000mA battery and ZeroShock Case)

I have to agree with this 100%. My rooted US S3 running Bonestock seems to have it all. And Samsung gave it the RAM to stay valid for a long time.

The s5 has bigger bezels then the s4 and the bezels on both are way bigger then the G2 so what's your point. The s5 and z2 bezels are Damn near the same.

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Going by the YouTube reviews, you are mistaken. The side bezels are comparable to other flagship phones. The top/bottom bezels are slightly larger due to the inclusion of front facing speakers. Which are awesome. Better to have slightly larger top/bottom bezels for front facing stereo speakers then smaller bezels and anemic rear facing mono sound.

Maybe we should wait to compare Z2 to Z3. Z3 is coming in august, according to Sony Mobile’s Creative Director Kurozumi Yoshiro.

And the camera and the bigger battery. Everything else is the same, the processor the internal storage of 16gb with SD cards and they are both water resistant and dust proof.

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I think most people are glad the screen is 1080p. People were not happy with the 2k rumor. I'm disappointed in the fact that the bezel is bigger on this one. Why not keep it the same? Maybe something to do with the USELESS fingerprint scanner. But the fingerprint scanner does agree with this article. They do it for the masses. People buy that crap and then never use it.

I'm disappointed in the battery. The phones are thin enough. Knock it off. Add a mm or 2 give me a battery that lasts 24h or more.

I'm disappointed in the terrible touchwiz software. 8GB before I even turn the phone on? And to add to this, I'm disappointed in the phones shipping with 16GB of storage. "OH BUT IT COMES IN 32GB ALSO!!" Yeah you think I'll ever actually be able to purchase that through my carrier? Or the average person? Doubt it.

I'm disappointed they're not innovating. I guess you can argue that they don't need to since they will sell a ton of these phones no matter what. But they can innovate. Look at motorola. I still don't wanna buy their phones, but at least they're trying new things and trying to advance.

And the heart rate monitor. Seriously? Does everyone know there's a free app in the play store that already does this with the flash on your camera? I used it on my Galaxy S 2...

Samsung just has so much money and power. I wish they'd do more with it.

~Note 2 Owner

Replying is one way, but an inappropriate one, to get the comment up near top. If the comment thread were collapsible, then this will likely go away. The verge had the same problem.

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It's 2014..
This style is old and outdated.. If 20 million SUCKERS want to shell out $650.00+ Tax.. Let'em.
But this is what the S5 should have been
The biggest insult to the public's intelligence is keeping the Res & Ram the same.. I don't care if KK is more efficient than JB.. Sammy is just being El' Cheapo with the S5 no matter how you slice it.. And that is what's so sad about this release.

"The biggest insult to the public's intelligence is keeping the Res & Ram the same"

The irony in this statement is unbelievable. Two features that, if implemented, would provide virtually zero measurable improvement to the functioning of the phone.

Resolution beyond 1920x1080 on a 5 inch screen is not just pointless but carries more downside in terms of necessary processing power, storage and battery life. So zero benefit at significant cost.

More than 2 gigs of ram? Exactly what are you doing on your phone that requires more than 2 gigs of ram? I recently bought my wife a Venue 8 Pro tablet, and it runs full Windows 8 and desktop applications... in 2 gigs of ram. What is Android capable of doing that would require more system resources than even Windows?

It's precisely the drastically diminished intelligence of the public that would not only ask for these features, but willingly replace a perfectly functioning current generation phone with another just to get these pointless things. Claiming that not including these is an insult to intelligence? That's hilarious.

Well said. According to the "retina display theory" that 326ppi is the highest resolution that the human eye can see (at a normal viewing distance as defined by Apple), the display size would have to exceed 6.757" for an increase in resolution to be feasible. As for RAM, has anyone EVER been bottlenecked with "only" 2GB of RAM yet? I think not.

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You are right, the term retina display is a marketing term, however what he's speaking of is a very real thing. The human eye can't distinguish individual pixels past a certain point.. he cross-referenced two entirely different things because of the correlation they often receive from our community.

I'm sorry, and in no way do am I sticking up for this guy. Out of sheer boredom I can't help myself but to say something... "Resolution and ram" while I agree on the resolution part, I have to say you're way off on the ram argument. Android OEMS have been slacking on the ram part. Ram is one of the biggest things I have to watch when developing applications right now. Android runs entirely different from windows. Android applications are always running background processes and services, as well as the fact that Android OS itself uses the dalvik system requiring middleware to receive and then interpret program language to native machine code, in Lehman's terms...Android can always use more ram! Android programmers could always use more ram, more ram across Android devices means better app eco-system. It starts with the big boys. And this last statement is for my buddy, thank God for Google and their Nexus line, as they are working on putting out something serious and it starts with 64-bit, theres 8 cores on another fellow, and 4gb of something needed tremendously. Don't underestimate Android and talk it down with windows comparisons and think you're going to get away with it round' me boy! My Nexus 7 2013 will blow the pixels off the Dell venue 8, when it comes to mobile devices, windows couldn't hold a candle to android.

Nexogen all seriousness, I program for both operating systems and their both beasts, but it is that time for OEMS to push the ram up a notch, it is holding us back


My point with the ram is valid. Adobe Photoshop has a minimum system requirement of 1 gig of ram. ONE gig. That's bloated Windows AND photoshop, running in 1 gig of ram. There's nothing on Android that can match the capabilities of Microsoft Word, much less Photoshop, and you want people to believe 2 gigs of ram is a major bottleneck?

I'm not talking down Android, so don't assume me of doing so.

As for your Nexus 7 blowing the doors off a Venue 8... it's entirely dependent on what you're doing with it. Browsing the web or playing a game? Ok, maybe. Doing anything remotely complicated or productive, not a chance.

I love it when people are so enamored by their little game gadgets and talk down on real computer systems. You might as well claim your Game Boy Advance is a better platform than a Cray. It might very well be... as long as your only need is to play games.

A little perspective please.

You sound like an idiot.
OUT OF THE BOX TOUCHWIZ LAGS DUMMY.. Even with 3 Gigs of Ram on the Note 3 the system LAGS... Are there ways around it yes.. but Wanna-Be Geeks like YOU don't have a clue how to do it.. for the average consumer this is a S4 with a Heart Monitor with no tangible improvement for 2014.. but they will still get 20 Million SHEEP LIKE YOUR KISS ASS to pay $650.00 for it.

I think you're both wrong, its one thing to have an intellectual debate and another to insult. Yes, nbco or whatever was incredibly rude about his response and to add salt, he was incorrect. You lose as well by replying in the manner of which you chose.

I need my f*ckin PC and Dev tools back now! HP please hurry!!!

Right back at 'ya, idiot.

If TouchWiz lags in 3 gigs of ram, maybe ram isn't the problem. I'll say again, as I offered above, you can run Windows 7 AND photoshop in 1 gig of ram, so it's asinine to suggest a light weight mobile OS like Android even WITH a shitty OEM skin is barely capable of running in 3 gigs of ram. Please...

And who the fuck are you referring to in your last sentence? You must have me confused with someone else, or your a presumptuous fucking asshole. Wanna-Be-Geek? What do you base that on? My sheep like kiss ass will buy what? I've not, nor am I the slightest bit interested in, the S4, S5, Note 3 or anything else Samsung makes.

I truly love how people like you baselessly attribute things (purchase preferences/history) which you not only have absolutely zero knowledge of, but are, in fact entirely off base on, and then use your own deluded fiction to lob accusations and cast judgement.

And I sound like an idiot? That's rich.


The Note 3 is crazy fast. I know. I use mine every day. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. And, also, let's try and keep it civil, ok? We can disagree and have differences of opinion without resorting to name calling. This isn't elementary school.

Thank you for the explanation about the resolution. For once, I didn't have to say it. People were going to start thinking I'd come unhinged if I'd had to go on that rant again ;)

Actually! I thought the same thing until today when I actually held one in my hand, the design let's you hold the phone and navigate the entire screen with you're thumb. At that very moment I realized, ahh...its so you can do this! I learned something new today!


ummm... I don't think it's 8GB of touchwiz.
if you look closely on the images that are shown on the articles, you could see that the extra space (called "miscellaneous files", "used space" and "cached data") is used by apps, some/all were probably installed for demonstrations of the device.
uninstall/disable &reset the data of those apps, and you can claim a lot of space.

the OS takes ~5.28GB. still a lot, but not 8GB...

here's the article:

- 2k would ruin the battery
- The s5 did gain an mm and there WAS an increase in battery.
- the ROM takes up 8gb because there is another copy of touchwiz on- board in case of system catastrophe; touchwiz itself isn't 8gb...
- the heart rate sensor is more accurate than using a camera with flash.

Why do people keep referring to 2k displays like they don't already exist in the market? From my understanding, any phone with 1080 is considered a 2k phone. As far as the TV industry goes, any 1080p HDTV qualifies as a 2k TV. The same, I would gather would be for phones. We are not talking about the movie projection industry standards here, where a resolution of 2048x1556 is the standard for 2k per the DCI, which was the resolution of historical super 35mm film..... 4k is 3840x2160... half of that... 1920x1080 Am I missing something here?

While you are correct, perhaps the biggest issue here is that the whole "2K" and "4K" terminology focuses on the horizontal resolution only. Because of this, it's easy to think that 2K is half of 4K, when in fact it's actually a quarter of that. 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels, while 3840x2160 = 8,294,400 pixels.

The reason the bezels are bigger is because of its water resistant certification. Same thing on the Z2. I would have rather the kept the screen size at 5 inches rather than make the phone bigger.

Nope the s5 is a great phone... But it's not the best phone available the Z2 seems better, better camera better battery and water proof with SD card will it sell more then the s5 hell no the S5 will still outsell all other phones period.

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Z2 seems like a great phone on paper and there design is top notch though personally don't like angular phones, they look great but they don't conform to the hand that great. I'm always worried about Sony phones because as always there camera looks great on paper but I real usage they seem to under deliver, they never seem to be great with battery life even though they have more mah. For example the z2 has 400mah more battery over the s5 but the z2 from official Sony stats can only get 6-7 hours video playback and the s5 can get 12 hours. It was the same story for z1 and s4. Hopefully a z2 compact is on the horizon.

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Yes Samsung is the new Apple, they are getting comfortable whilst LG, HTC, Sony and Motorola innovate.

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Htc, sony, Motorola couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag if you poked 2 big holes in it

At Lg is the closest thing to Samsung they try to offer to their customers legitimate feature enhancements or productivity options.

Plain And Simple Nothing Beats Samsung Period.

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Lol nothing beats Samsung? in sales maybe... and how does HTC not innovate with all the hardware and and software additions? Haven't Samsung and many others copied BlinkFeed a bit?
I loved my note 2 for a long time, I'm not a Samsung hater, wouldn't have anything that isn't stock android now though for personal preference reasons.

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I don't think he knows how to use the copy and paste functionality for any other purpose. Just keep it on the clipboard. Lol

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Thank you! Could NOT have put it better myself. Apple tends to stick to what works and what's practical and doesn't use a whole lot of flash. They do that because they want to create "i" devices (idiot proof) so that the experience is as streamlined as possible for the user. If technology was merely a tool for me and not a passion, I'd be buying Apple products exclusively.
Samsung on the other hand includes features and functions on their phones so that they can have a nice list of bullet points on the back of the box. They are hardly useful most of the time and when they are, they don't work properly. But of course, the "tech dumb general public" would just look at the back of the box and the countless ads and base their decisions on that.
Really hoping the Sony Z2 and also the Tablet gets a better public reception this time. They thoroughly deserve it IMO.

Let's see who will outsell Galaxy S5. By the way, if you think current S5 is still bloated, then you don't have a point

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No phone not even the Note 3 which is arguably a better phone will outsell the s5. Samsung could have added nothing but the fingerprint scanner to an s4 and called it an s5 and it would still sell 50 million units. That's marketing at its fishnet, Samsungs marketing team is what has helped in their success.

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I love that your phone corrected "finest" to "fishnet." I think we just learned something about you.

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Haha that's too funny didn't even realize that it did that till I read your comment what can I say I like catching fish with nets lol.

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I think the article is discussing the iterative nature of each year's model. I would say that this afflicted the iPhone much more than other brands. For several models, Apple stuck to a 3.5" screen and the same skeuomorphic UI, mostly improving the internals while sticking to the basic design and form. Then for the 6th generation iPhone -- the iPhone 5, Apple splurged on a 4" screen and 16:9 screen ratio which was quite daring of them. The 7th generation iPhone 5S came with iOS 7 out of the box and this represented the biggest departure to date on the iOS front but the phone is still mostly iterative. However, selling previous models on the strength of Siri and iOS Maps could hardly be called disruptive.

I agree that Samsung has been iterative as well with the Galaxy series but they have not been afraid to experiment and go further. They came out with the first phablet (which led other manufacturers including Apple to bump up screen sizes), experimented with new sensors to enable new (though some would say gimmicky) features, have always put in the best hardware available in their flagship phones, and tried to put in phone functionality in tablets and cameras.

The Galaxy S4 and S5 look to have been disappointing in terms of the lack of new groundbreaking features. But the iPhone 5S could also be said to suffer from the same malady. If the iPhone 6 breaks the mold, I think a lot of people would be pleasantly surprised.

Haters don't buy products or control anything worthwild they search for group discounts or essential price breaks for handsets.

Most hate because they ain't buying or can't afford to buy so they hate.


It's pretty simple like I've said for years SAMSUNG IS ANDROID PERIOD NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

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I honestly have no idea if you're the world's best troll or the world's craziest man. Either way, I'm impressed.

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Man, your fanboyish trolling has exceeded stratospheric levels. The all caps solidified that even more.

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First of all, I love how it's 2014, we have computers that fit into our pockets that are connected to the Internet almost 100% of the time, and autocorrect on these devices, and you still can't spell words correctly. There is no word in the entire dictionary spelled "worthwild". Educate yourself. You look like a total fool.
Secondly, going by your completely faulty fanboy logic in your 3rd section, I guess we should all be "hating on" Comcast, Verizon/AT&T, GE, and the various other companies that have "global market share worldwide". Get a life.
Thirdly, most "hate" because they have reason to do so, and can freely do so. Just because it's not in line with what you think, doesn't make it "wrong", it's a fucking opinion, something you have had a hell of a lot of trouble understanding. For god's sake, you tell others what they think of a device is "wrong" or "useless", especially if they say Samsung is bad and some other manufacturer is good. You're a delusional, arrogant Samsung fanboy, and you can't even see past your own obnoxious bullshit.

Yes, there is no huge difference with the iphone is still an absurdly small under powered little toy phone for grandma and tech illiterates and ignorant victims of marketing. Don't fool yourself

So true, I totally agree. You mentioned all the good points. Bottomline I guess is that, S5 failed to meet people's expectations. They started the so much aggressive advancements and publicity to their phones that wowed a lot of people, not just a lot but millions which helped them to gain the top spot in android market shares. People are holding on to the momentum and always expect great leap to each product they're going to release. Now that it seems like it's quite a heavy task for them to release a phone with huge differences to its predecessor, the momentum slows down. They started it and that's the consequence. You cannot please everybody, even if you say wake up you dumb! At the end of the day, we have our own choices and preferences bas ed on what we consider and expectations. May we be dumb or not, if it did not satisfy us then, sorry. Only those huge fans who are blinded are the ones who will praise & still say that choosing this S5 is a clever choice.

"cheap "feeling" build quality, bland, anachronistic, toyish design, cartoonish unnatural looking amoled display"

No idea of what you are talking about. And like many people , I really like and prefer the amoled display over anything else available. Pitch black is my thing I guess.

The 2 main reasons I wont get a S5 are Knox and Touchwiz.

Exactly, the point is real. In Sweden it's called the Law of Jante. Basically a human mental defect that makes a group of people strongly criticise anyone who's too successful.

Perhaps, loosely defined. The mental defect seems to be your attribution.

Jante is aspirational mediocrity where the collective outweighs individual achievement.

Apple is known for and appreciated globally for innovation. Whereas Samsung is not.

Innovation that causes them to steal every 'new' feature for 3 generations from android??? Yeah...innovators. That's what I call it.

Haha, yeah, I personally categorised it as a mental defect. Just to sum up the whole definition of the behaviour. But, I think it's applicable. :)

And you idea about Apple being the only innovative company is defined by another law and psychological analysis, called RDF. :P

I did NOT say Apple is the ONLY innovation company. HTC, for example, is known for many innovations.

What's the psychological descriptor."metal defect" for a person who misappropriates their own worst fears and demons into the statements of others - Sigmund?

Perhaps, big britches complex or cognitive dissonance.

So can i ask you a question why are you posting in a Samsung galaxy S5 discussion board about the Iphone. If you like the IPhone that's great, some of us like stuff from Samsung is a personal preference. Apple products are not a gift from God and while I do think they are great, that's not what we are hear to discuss

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Innovations ? , good one.
You should read a book or two about the truth behind Apple and Steve Jobs.

So laughable.

You really should see the crap I don't post. Sorry if honesty offends you

I just want innovation not better specs and whatnot. We want something DIFFERENT. not the same every single year that's why apple and Samsung are going thru this right now.

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Going through what? Making money year after year with proven formulas of success. I'm sure investors see it a little bit different.

Uh Ok yeah from business stand point great good job... As a consumer you're absolutely wrong why do I care how well they do and how much money their making I want innovative products not something that's gonna sell because it's the "cool" thing to have

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The hardcore Android fans that frequent this site don't care about that, they care about Samsung releasing the phone that THEY personally want. Not what will sell, what they want. Which is idiotic.

Is being let down by the new Galaxy the new equivalent to being let down by the new iPhone? Yep, I agree with you there.

It's neither more nor less impressive. It does lot's of things the X doesn't, and never will, and has a much larger screen (with no wasted real estate for on-screen buttons). The X offers certain features the S5 doesn't, and a closer to "stock Android" experience. Neither is intrinsically better. Each will appeal to a different person.

I agree with you they are very similar but battery, camera are better on the Z2 I guess we need to see comparison photos to make sure though.

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I agree... TW/Sammy hate is the "in thing" now. But, Sammy is selling a lot, which increases the amount of dollars they can spend on marketing, which increases the "mindshare" (I think that's the right term) of the general public. The more recognized a brand, usually the more the public will buy it - regardless if it's the best or not.

And of course the more people buy that product, the more money the company can spend on securing even more customers.

Apple's doing it well, and so is Sammy - regardless of what the fanboys in both camps think.

A lot of you must be new here. The Sammy hate has been around for years!! It's not any worse than hate on the other OEMs (esp whomever makes the Nexus) but it just applies to millions more individuals.

I've always said the galaxy s series is the iPhone of android. It sells the most, but that doesn't make it the best there is. I'll forever drool over the specs in each new flagship, but the fact that it's Sammy keeps me away. Well, that and the bloat. And ain't nobody got time over here to be rooting and ROM'ing.

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There are always two sides to this. People want new features, innovation, and being able to check out a phone and think, "That is COOL". Now, like it or not, Samsung has been adding new features for years now, and there has been a general feeling that most of the others out there have not. If the rumors about a $500-$650 retail price on the S5 are true off contract, compared to the $800 the Galaxy S4 is, then you should consider THAT in the "what do I get for my money" question. If the Galaxy F, or whatever the rumored "premium" Samsung phone will be or would be called, then THAT may very well be the device we all feel the S5 should have been.

Samsung isn't really innovative just throwing the best specs they can into a phone with a subpar TouchWiz and they copy what other companies have other done and try to make it better. That's what alot of companies do which is fine, the features they have are hit or miss and most of them Nobody uses. We want DIFFERENT, not just an upgrade in specs and random useless features.

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People have just become whiny bimbos. This is what happens when people have no knowledge, no skills, and no presence of mind, but what they have is an active Internet connection.
Also when you're spoiled for choice, this is what happens.
I felt underwhelmed by the s4,but I feel that note 3 is an awesome device.
Samsung should stop making all devices look the same (nothing pisses a user more than someone mistaking the Note2 for galaxy grand)
at least Sony does a better job at making devices look visually different despite the same design language.

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You call people whiney bimbos with no presence of mind and spoiled for stating disappointment in something particular. Then you complain about the designs Sammy uses.

Whine much?

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I feel like such a dick. it had been awhile since I'd seen a Note 2 so when the chick next to me pulled hers out, I thought it was a Grand. Lolz

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I find it ironic that the iPhone 5S is the first Apple phone i would consider buying and yeah Samsung has taken their place with releasing a minor update to the same phone year after year. Good thing there are plenty of other choices :)

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Bought an iPhone 5s the other day with Tmobile's trade in your blackberry for $200 deal. First time I've had an iPhone since the 4 and let me tell you, I love it. I still have my Moto X of course though as that is the best Android phone. To me Samsung has completely ruined Android (obviously not from a money making point). It's sad most people don't even know what Android actually looks and feels like. People still talk about how laggy android is because they went out and bought a galaxy phone instead or something with real Android like a Moto X.

Imagine when the iPhone actually has a 4.7 inch display, so man people that left for Android will go right back to Apple.

I don't understand this sentiment. How can Samsung ruin Android for you if their offerings has never impacted the way you experience Android. You said you have the Moto X, so what about Samsung and Touch Wiz has changed how you enjoy the Moto X? I understand simply disliking it but is this level of hyperbole really necessary?

When will that be bud? A lot of people will not. Lot more to Android than a large display...even to regular people.

He's saying it ruined the Android experience because regular people think TouchWiz is Android and it gives it a bad reputation, normal Joe blow doesn't know the differences between operating systems and UI's

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I'll hold judgement until I have a chance to use the S5, but there are a few very realistic things I was looking for that weren't a part of the new device.

- Size. The S4 was one of, if not the smallest phones of that generation. The S5 has now grown considerably, and almost all of that is in the worst parts of the phone.

- 3GB RAM, 32GB storage - these are very easy things for samsung to include. They've already gotten a ton of bad press on the S4 ROM being so big, and the Note 3 had these minimums.

- camera with OIS

As a consumer it feels like the S5 is trying too much to be everything to everyone, and overlooking the core functions of being a smartphone. To me, it's the wrong message. I'd rather forego the heart rate monitor (how many times are you really going to use this?) to have OIS or 32GB of storage space. Also, by now I think Qi should also be a standard feature that people don't have to wait for a cover and spend $30 on.

Agreed! Especially about the 32GB internal storage.

Eliminate the HRM, MIMO and pick the sensor and give us what we can use *STORAGE*

It's not just the Galaxy S line, people are too concerned about specs to even consider how well a phone does.
Anyone who believes rumors deserves to be let down.

Sent from my Galaxy S4 running SlimKat 4.4.2

Most rumors that are close to launch are pretty accurate or so close it's not an issue, but the rumors for the S5 was way out in left field. The only thing that stuck true was the finger print scanner.

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Anyone who believes rumors deserves to be let down.... I LOVE that

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Samsung is #1 in the Android ecosystem. It's human nature to hate on #1. No matter what Apple, HTC, Motorola, LG, Sony or Samsung does there's going to be someone that hates them.

It also goes along with the thinking that if a company doesn't sell 4 times as many new handsets in half the time of the previous generations then said company MUST be going under. Basically we've reached a smartphone saturation point and a lot of people currently own the good phones so why upgrade at the drop of a hat. I still see plenty of people running around with 2-3 year old smartphones and they are happy with them because it does all the same basic things they've always done.

Now the first company to the market with something remarkable like 4-5 day battery life without extra size, then we will get excited ;-)

You made valid points. Mostly annoyed with 16GB internal storage. The S3 had 16GB, the S4 has 16GB. Android OS iterations are getting larger. The S5 is has 16GB. Point being the low on board storage comes off as being cheap. The price of flash (SSDs) has dropped to about 50 cents per gigabyte. SDHC 16GB at retail is about 10 dollars.

They added features that are pretty fluffy. The heart rate monitor is at the top of the list. Next is it is larger than the S4 (larger bezel too) but for what purpose?

Agreed but the fact they have a micro sd slot really mitigates that. I would just go into an s5 assuming the sd card is all the storage.

On board storage is faster than SD card read and write. It is where your applications and data ought to reside. Apps to SD is a band-aid approach.

My camera S3 will ONLY write the "best shot" photos to the internal storage, because write speeds are FAST. Maybe if were not using the stock camera it would be different. Point is internal storage trumps an SD card. The SD card slot does not 'really' mitigate the lack of internal storage.


Storage just annoys me so much, how 16gb on flagship devices is still happening is a joke especially when storage cost is so cheap.

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Well written article. Just as said most of us complaining can't even write a line of code, that is for those that even know what a code in the arena is.

Your point? Don't need to learn to write code to know what "we" like our want as consumers.

You sir just won the fruit cake of the month.

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Exactly! Most people can't fly to the moon whenever they please so they clearly aren't qualified to have an opinion about Vegetables.

It's lonely at the top. Haters gonna hate, and Samsung will laugh all the way to the bank.

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It's the hipster mentality. Samsung is 'too mainstream' now so its the 'cool' thing to use something besides it because everyone else has it. It's so stupid. And im guilty as anyone when it comes down to it.

Well eventually Samsung will become so lame that it will be cool to use their phones again, as long as you are using it ironically.

Lol I don't think so. Blackberry is still trying to figure that formulation out

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But you gotta understand that most...or all of Sammy products, just not this particular product which happens to be the S5. kinda like loving Ford trucks but not liking the particular F-350.

No! It isn't! Samsung offers choice. Apple doesn't offer any choice, so therefore Apple is a cult, and those with Apple products are stuck in the Matrix!

I don't use, or acknowledge the word ""troll"".

No it is not, the hate isn't about compelling it or hating it like they did to iphones. It is simply the disappointment of how great it could have really been. People just expected much more, like the trend of 3gs of ram (who needs that much though, futureproof reasons). Let's not forget get the 8gigs required for samsungs software out the box. It still tops the Iphone and i would take the s5 over the iphone anyday.

Are we playing grammar police?

"We got so used to such rapid advancement that we’re having trouble accepting that our minds aren’t going to be _blow_ with every iteration of a device"

+1. I never understood what people saw in galaxy devices to make them sell like they have.

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Hipster spotted! ;p

I don't hate Samsung though, just people buying phones (of whatever brand) just because of the name, without even looking for something that could fit them more.

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I love me a Samsung TV. And their bluray players. Heck, had a Samsung Focus in 2011 and it introduced me to WP. But Touchwiz is the sad clown hooker of Android skins. Touchwiz is the girl with too much makeup on and you don't know why everyone thinks she looks sooooo good when she has racoon eyes from all that gunk.

I prefer a natural beauty in comparison....o hai, Nexus 5...

Exactly. I love Samsung tvS but have always hated their phone business. Unless it was the flip phone I had when I was 17

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I will never understand why people "hate" something they have no intention of buying. Would I ever buy an iPhone, no, probably not, but I do not hate it. It has it's place and there is a huge audience for it. Same can be said for the S5. Did it live up to your expectations? No, then buy a different phone. That is the great thing about Android; Samsung doesn't work out for you, go ahead and pick from tons of other manufacturers with equally good (if not better) phones. The next iPhone doesn't work out for you... well then you are going to have to jump ship, but that is life.

Because it all boils down to opinion. If we aren't able to express it, then we have lost or 1st amendment rights.

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I am not against free speech, trust me. I just don't get why everyone gets all up in arms about a product they don't have to buy.

Why not? It can make for great conversations and insight to things that maybe someone didn't think of.

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I honestly think the market is just becoming too saturated. There are too many good choices out there now. The GS5 doesn't look that great because there is a Z2 and a G Pro 2 and a Find 7, etc. Samsung would have to pull out all the stops and put in only the most cutting edge hardware and software to be the "must have" device, but we have reached a point where that could be said for any device.

It's not that the GS5 isn't a decent device. It's just not ground-breaking in any way. But neither was the iPhone 5s compared to the iPhone 5. I would go as far as to say that Manufacturers should consider an 18 month to 24 month release cycle and then just throw in everything but the kitchen sink each time they release a new phone.

Honestly, the biggest mistake Samsung made was releasing a 16 gb flagship device (with only 8 available). That's unforgivable in my book and totally unnecessary.

"Honestly, the biggest mistake Samsung made was releasing a 16 gb flagship device (with only 8 available). That's unforgivable in my book and totally unnecessary."

100% agreed.

Funny when you think about the announcement "we listened and we implemented." They delivered new, but low priority features.

Short answer: no. Long answer: yes, probably.

I personally like Samsung, but I admit Touchwiz is a little overbearing, especially how it was on the GS4. I feel like TW is a top reason why people dislike Samsung devices. They still make very good products though. Samsung plays a major role in how Android has blown up the past 3 years or so.

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The manufacturers are the reason we have the expectations we do. They focused on specs for years but now that they don't deliver we are suddenly supposed to forget about specs. Whatever, the S5 is a marginal upgrade. The Note 3 had 3GB RAM. It is very reasonable to expect a newer phone to also have 3GB RAM. Samsung said the ROM was going to be simplified. It came in at a bloated 8GB which means that 3GB RAM would have been even more useful.

Anyway, their marketing force can try to force upon us that we are wrong and expecting too much but the truth is the S5 is a very marginal upgrade. However, it was a smart upgrade since they will sell just as many of them I am sure. They are looking at new customers and those with the GS3 or older. To those groups of people the GS5 is amazing I am sure. Most people will not be getting rid of a GS4 regardles of how great the new phone would have been. Next year will be the year of 3GB RAM and 2.5k (or whatever since 1080p is already 2k...) screens probably and they will again be back to bashing Apple and how specs are king.

The S5's really grown on me over last 24 hours...

Better camera, better battery saving options, water/dust proof (perfect for my upcoming summer beach vacation), more color options at Launch (really like the Blue) and Fingerprint Unlock.

Oh and don't forget the 2 YEAR WARRANTY which Samsung should promote more of. My Nexus 4 is now outside it's 1 year warranty while my girlfriends 2012 S3 is still covered for most of this year.

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I missed the 2 year warranty. Was it announced in the presentation, or somewhere else? Would appreciate a link so I can read the details on that, I'm hoping that it might include accidental damage coverage, but maybe I'm being greedy.

If you're not being hated on your not at the top.... Yes it's all in the same

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First time I pressed the G+ button on an article here. But this line of thinking in reality will need to be applied to all OEMs now, not just Samsung. Major next generation leaps are likely a thing of the past. I think Sammy is aware that most S5s will be owned by new or S3 users coming off contracts, not S4 users.

A good read, and thanks for writing it.

In general, I'd agree with you. While this blog is definitely skewed to mobile tech, I'd argue the same is generally true for any fan of any category.

Example: football fans can't understand why you'd like that team, they're so bad. Tell them you just like the uniform, and they can get apoplectic, and try to convince you of the million reasons you're wrong.

The best quote I've ever read came from a fantasy book series, but is stunningly true: "passion rules reason". When a person gets emotionally involved in something, spending their time and energy on it, learning all they can, they tend to be unreasonable when others are dismissive. Being understanding and accommodating is extremely difficult, but it is an admirable goal to strive for when interacting with others. Remember that the others with you have their own passions, and it is okay if they are different from your own. Listen and learn from everyone; who knows, you may even find a new passion.

I agree with the author's point of view, mostly. However samsung could easily do better in following two aspects: 3gb ram and design. These were very reasonable expectations we had. It's kind of one step backward if you take a look at note3, which is a great device I think.

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I think it's just a natural reaction to disappointment. We have been used to much larger changes between generations of phones even between the S3 -> S4 and so the S5 is disappointment. Personally I'm fed up with the physical home button and expected the bezel to be smaller then the S4 more like the LG G2. It's just not worth the cost to upgrade from an S4 to S5 however I am ready for a new phone so I'm hoping the LG G3 excites me!

Does anyone read their own work anymore? "We can't be MADE" at Samsung..." "just look at the MacBook Pro line, which AS retained the same basic lines..." "...our minds aren’t going to be blow with every iteration of a device."

I'm not perfect either but c'mon. Writing is what this guy does. Editor-in-chief of webOS Nation? He should be a little better at proof-reading. This is becoming more common. How many times have people used "there" instead of "their". And I hated english class in high school...except for that one teacher...but I digress.

Other than that it's an interesting article. I agree with his point about the problem being with the press. He mentions the fact that people reading this article is not generally the target. One point he doesn't make is that most people don't upgrade every iteration of a phone. I'm in IT/Engineering and I don't upgrade every iteration. I have no desire to. But when I went from the HTC Thunderbolt to the Samsung Note My expectation was met and was exceeded.

Is that something to be proud of if one makes their living as a writer/journalist/editor?
OK, if you don't want to/don't have time to do it yourself but why not get someone else to check it before it goes live?

Regarding the article itself, the impression I get from this and similar sites on the net right now is that it amounts to damage limitation spin on the negative reaction to the S5. Distasteful but understandable if it was someone from Samsung's marketing department writing it but a reportedly independent site?

I don't know Derek and maybe the points he raised in his article are his genuine feelings on the matter but when I see a bunch of similar ones on other tech sites...well, if it walks and talks like a duck...

Whether Derek is being sarcastic or not (always a difficult thing to convey with the printed word) the original posters comments are valid. There are a ton of errors in the article. The article itself is on a site that the tech interested gather yet it criticizes them for ...err...being critical about technology. Way to go to alienate your support base, Android Central.

The difference is that Apple fanbois don't care as long as it's an Apple product. Android users expect something more...

No, the S5 is very disappointing. If I wanted a Galaxy S3, I would have bought one 2 years ago. The S5 is boring. The other OEMs are releasing much more artistic phones that are just as powerful or better than the S5. It's such an eyesore. So yeah, if it was the same thing as hating on the iPhone, we would have seen it with the S3 and S4. The S5 is being criticized because it deserves criticism.

I totally think it is..I know the tech people in my circle like HTC and Motorola because they are the anti popular phone makers. But outside of that I don't like Samsung because all the crap they pack in that I swear everyone I know doesn't use...ever. My step dad and coworkers are amazed when I show them even the simplest feature on their phone. Also not a fan of their hardware, I owned an S4 for a bit but 4 months later couldn't handle the cheap feel of it. Now I own a Moto X and couldn't love it more.

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While I agree a LOT of the S features are Not used by the average person, they ARE the reason why Samsung sell so many devices. When your average buyer is in the store, then stuff like Finger Print Scanner, Health System and 16 Megapixel camera will always help outsell the G2s and Z2s that don't.

Samsung know what they are doing for the average consumer.

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Sorry, but I have to say this.

Isn't it funny how Samsung's names have been similar to the iPhones? Not that they are copying or anything, but with the S4, backwards is 4S. the S5, backwards is 5S.

I mean what else would u name a Galaxy S device on the next generation? The Sb Sc Sd ...I don't think so

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Funny. Like the comparison.

I'd say apple is copying samsung or it is that apple is enjoying befuddling the dyslexic folks.

i don't really care.
i don't like samsung devices, so i don't buy them.
I like Sony devices, so i buy them.
don't see the issue really.

The day of flagship phones are coming to a end,Motorola knows and Google knows this. I will be glad the day when ppl stop acting like there phone is a lung and without it they are doa and more like it is a tool so use it thus so.

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Then explain why Google and Motorola aren't at the top right now? They're near the bottom of the barrel when it comes to mainstream Android devices. Every OEM outsells them both combined.

I think he means the new Motorola. The X proves that a phone doesn't require all the top specs to function well and smoothly. The fact the X didn't outsell the S4, doesn't invalidate his point.

Yep, I am purely speculating where things might be moving. Just my opinion. Great devices aren't powerhouses necessarily.

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Samsung started this game. Putting highest number(specs) possible for marketing purpose. And now, they are losing in their own game.

"No, they’re the other tens of millions of people who’ve bought a smartphone and wished it took better and faster photos. Or that they could make the battery last longer when they really needed it to. Or that an errant splash when doing the dishes didn’t mean the end of their phone.

They’re normal people, such as they are, with normal people problems. They just want the phone to work. They’re the people that Samsung focused on when developing the Galaxy S5"

Other manufacturer such as Sony has been doing this.
Imagine we're still in the beginning of 2013 and you are reading this article.

And one more thing. Just because you think you don't have enough resources, you will stop innovating.

Sorry for my English.

The problem is that it is actually an ok phone. Even though I'm a Windows Phone enthusiast, I looked at the Galaxy line as the one that was pushing the spec race. That was the thing that made it so unique, Samsung had the resources to make it the most powerful, even though that doesn't mean the best. Now that they haven't pushed it further, ine if the main attractives of the Galaxy is gone. If you simply take the Z2, then you have 1gb of RAM more, a camera with 4 megapixels more and it's also water-resistant. It's really difficult to make consumers feel that they need or will ever need a fingerprint scanner or a heart rate sensor. Apple could but it's a different story because most people just bought it because it was the iPhone 5s. Samsung doesn't have that privilege just yet and has to find a way to set the phone apart from Apple, HTC, Sony, Nokia and LG's offerings. Specs race are over (for now) so they have to look for UNIQUE experiences to set the phones apart.

It makes sense, people expect so much without being the least bit reasonable. If you want New phones on a yearly cycle companies aren't going to be able to put the kitchen sink in a smartphone. Think of all the work that would take, and it will cause them to fall off after two or three years of making phones if they did. Also it would be impossible to create the perfect smartphone because everybody complains about a different thing, some want bigger screens, others want more cores and so on. I'm just hoping soon people will start being realistic with expectations for once.

Yes. It's OK to not like a phone, but people are reacting negatively to the fact that Samsung didn't make radical design changes. Those days are over - at least for now.

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There are people who will always hate on whatever is on top, whether it be Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, or someone else. Not that there aren't legitimate problems with some of the products of those companies, but there are also plenty of problems with whatever the latest darling of the haters is. When your #1, you've got a big target on your back, and lots of people hate you simply because your the biggest guy on the block.

The part that's funny is when they criticize Samsung or Apple for some perceived flaw, and then make excuses for the same issue on their favorite child. Remember when everyone criticized Apple because iPhones didn't have removable batteries and SD cards. Now look at the excuses people make for the HTC One and Nexus lacking those items.

The "cheap feel" arguments are just another part of the hater crowed, so it's especially funny coming from people who are criticizing the "haters." There's nothing cheap about a Samsung Galaxy. It's every bit as well made, rugged and reliable as a Moto X or HTC One. People react to plastic as if it's the same stuff that a Jack-In-Box toy was made of in the 1960s, but the plastic in a Samsung phone likely to stand up to more abuse than the thin aluminum of an HTC One, which dents when you drop it.

And Derek is absolutely right that we're looking at a period of incremental improvements. Today's phone are pretty darned impressive. Newer models will offer a bit more memory, a bit more battery, a bit more speed, a bit more resolution, and software tweaks, but we're not likely to see many stunning breakthroughs in the near future.

What do people expect? 4 times the screen resolution, twice the clock speed, and twice the memory? Are you ready to accept 2 hours of battery life in exchange? The truth is that 2 GB of memory is more than enough for all but a very few users, more screen resolution is invisible unless you're using a magnifying glass, and today's processors are plenty fast enough for today's software.

Just wait until the HTC TWO (ONE-2?. ONE+? ONE Mark II? How are they going to deal with their stupid choice of name?) comes out, and all the lovers will see it's just an HTC ONE with a faster processor, a better camera, maybe a little more memory, and some software tweaks. Will they be whining about that phone like they are the S? Of course not. They'll be justifying the incremental approach they're trashing today.

+1 well said. Not to mention most people do not use nearly all the features of their phones they still want more.

Sent from my Moto X!

Hmm, don't like HTC do you?

I bought the Wasp T12; it's already been out in Japan for two days, WHERE'S YOURS?

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Great commentary, completely agree with the points you make. Enough with the tech elites and their lofty dreams jousting for bragging rights.

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Let's just sum it up here. Mobile nerds here and on other forums wrote the S5 off largely because of how it looks .... HOW. IT. LOOKS. They cry 364 days of the year about "bleeding edge" specs, which the S5 does have in most all areas, but on the day the S5 showed its face, then it's "woe to Samsung" and their dimply back covers. Woe!

WHO. CARES? Raise your cheeto-stained hand if you use a decal or case. Yeah? Most of you? Cool. And the rest of you who don't? Just buy something else you feel is nice, but do know the S5 is far from "awful". It's only awful because it's not want YOU wanted. Predictably, it'll sell millions like before while you mill about here and other troll bridges you frequent.

When you're doing something right u don't have to make radical changes.... HTC and Moto recently made radical changes .. Samsung & Apple havent... Period ..

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I think this a good Write up. No I'm not defending the s5. I'm not dogging it either. If I didn't love my note 3 they would have had me with the camera and and the screen.

So if you owned a company and all you had to do to get people to flock to your product would be to add a better camera, a couple of gimmicky things and call it a day that of wouldn't do it? It's all about the bottom line. I think it will sell. I'm just waiting for them to sell me on the note 4.

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After reading this, why do I suddenly feel as if I am not part of the masses ? Of course I am and I have expectations from any brand that I am going to invest in. For Christ's sake, everyone does.

If we didnt have expectations, we wouldn't have so many manufacturers eyeing for their slice of pie in the mobile phone market.

Its also interesting seeing phones being compared to cars. Samsung being Samsung has a reputation to live upto and people want Ferraris not Camry's. Ask the masses what they would prefer and you'll have your answer.

I wont say that Samsung has not built a better phone but what have they done that the competition isn't doing already. Survival lies in innovation and honestly, there's not much of that in the S5.

Throw in a 2K screen and you hit the nail on the head.

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Umm...accept you are a nerd already. You read a post on ANDROID CENTRAL. Wake up. You aren't part of the masses, so stop pretending. Follow us into the light. There ya go. Sit, Ooboo, sit. Good boy.

Lets not digress with sarcasm Stephen. At the end of the day, Samsung could have done better. Its more of a disappointment than hate.

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Oh but I must. The article made the best points already I could use in response, so sarcasm is my only option now. Maybe the Z1 Compact is your cup of tea, or the Nexus 5. But nothing will truly be good enough to the geeks here. The moment 20MP cams become the new 8MP cams, then 20MP won't be good enough. Everything will need to be a 40MP cam or IT SUCKS. More more more, now now now.

It's a phone...not a vital organ.

I was impatiently waiting for the galaxy S5 but now I am gonna be patient and wait for Note 4, hoping they don't screw that one up too.

for me is not much hate, as it is disappointment.

i'm disappointed they are ok with shoving 8 Gb's of memory when they could take some of these "bells" to the playstore.

i'm disappointed that with neither of their flagships, i can pull down the notification drawer without some ninja hand-skills.

i'm a bit concerned with the battery.

and that's it. everything else i can live with.

The S4 was a bit of a disappointment, but it looks like Samsung have listened this time and worked on making it a better phone to use, rather than adding to the gimmick list. I think it looks great.

Only problem is, the Z2 looks like it may be better in all major areas, not that Sammy will care as they will still sell a ton.

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Actually, we should expect more from the phones/devices and their manufactures. Customer pressure drives innovation and creates the demand that drive new companies with new ideas. Companies should feel that they must continue to eat their own markets and products or the competition will. To reduce this pressure will get us what we have now, mild update and iteration on a themes. We customers need to force disruptive changes by demanding more. We should not allow companies to rest on their laurels and (with apologize to the brilliant Samsung anti-iPhone ad campaign) be glad they moved the headphone jack to the bottom!

We are currently in the model T stages of personal informatics. I hope in a few years we look back at the iPhone 5s and the Galaxy S5 and laugh and wonder how they were ever state of the art.

Great article! People are just complaining about this but what the hell do you want more? Materials like the htc? So buy the HTC...body of glass like the xperia? Buy xperia... Every company have a target and although I understand some of the criticism they are thinking about the average people... People who bought this product for the status and not like us the "tech community" enthusiastic!
They sell millions and millions of devices and we are a minority!

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Totally agree with this article. Benchmarks don't mean much. As long as the device is enjoyable to use and doesn't fail on the consumer, specs really don't matter.

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I love my Galaxy Note 3..I do think the galaxy S5 is a great phone..I'll just have to wait what the Note 4 will bring us and compare between the s5 and Note 4. I do really like the new touchwiz. .I wonder if Samsung would give us Note 3 owners an update to the new touchwiz.

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i think people were expecting a lot more because of the brand image that Samsung have put behind themselves. S3 put them on the world map, literally. Samsung's fully embraced that and hyped themselves up to a beyond dissapointing releases. Instead of trully leaping ahead like they've implied they would the S4 was litterally the same as S3 in many aspects and the S5 is just a butchered ripoff of many things that Apple did 6 months ago.

Does samsung really need a fingerscan? Do they need a gold color? No one ever needed those or even cared about those until Iphone came out. Samsung, instead of innovating in their own way chose to "absorb" these features and did a very ugly job at them. And they expected people would applaude, 6 months later??

No one will be whining about the Iphone 6, except android people. And apple won't be making it in the hideous blue and will probably drop the gold because Samsung uglied up the color beyond repair.

My personal problem with the GS5 has nothing to do with incremental increases. At this point, I don't know what kind of amazing breakthrough most people would want from a smartphone.

My issue (and we will see if HTC falls victim to the same problem in a month) is that Samsung doens't seem to care one bit what the consumers want, and in the case of the GS5, the usuable storage after all their crap is loaded is unacceptable. In a world where storage is outrageously cheap for OEMs (most estimate around $40 for 64 gb), id Sammy is intent on loading their phones with stupid features most of us don't use, then give us the onboard stoarge we all deserve.

If in a month HTC announces a phone without a bigger battery (though as a current One owner, I have to admit the battery has proven it's not the size of the boat but the motion in the ocean), expandable storage, or onscreen buttons, I would guess many of the Android fanbois will be screaming bloody murder and it would be deserved.

There are ways to improve the Samsung Android experience and they have nothing to do with S-whatever you want to tack on, but Samsung doesn't seem to care. That's why they are the new Apple. They are treating their customers like sheep...but Sammy owners think they are the cool black sheep who are smarter than the white sheep Apple puts out to pasture. They forget they are still all sheep.

Great article. Its funny to me how much this is a matter of perspective. I'm stuck with my VZW Galaxy Nexus until May... so to me, this feels like it might be a great option. I've been leaning towards the Note 3, which I might still do given it may come down some when the S5 come out. This might be disappointing to some, but a huge upgrade to others.

Cute rant. The S5 is still ugly in my opinion and the TouchWiz lag was palpable. I am disappointed because the UI and the physical design of the phone are horrendous. The iPhone 4, 5, and HTC One are far superior aesthetically.

I did not see any major improvement over the S4.

Thankfully, all I have is an opinion that does not matter and Samsung will sell millions of this ugly new iteration of the Galaxy line-up regardless of my meaningless, subjective opinion. However, just because my opinion is meaningless, it does not mean I don't have the right to express it. Your article seems to send a message between the lines, and that message is that your readers are childish idiots who do not understand the basic progression of technology and it is their childish stupidity glaring its head when they express an opinion about a terrible looking phone with slow, inefficient UI.

I can't wait for the next leap forward in mobile technology because the Galaxy phones make me sad just looking at them.

Again, great rant and awesome job alienating the Android Central readers. You are so awesome.

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sadly in a lot of ways yes. someone here posted something about collectively hating something that successful. but its more than that. my personal reason is Sammy does what they want rather than what i want. meaning if i, the general public, want a bigger battery they take that to mean, fingerprint scanner. much like apple did in the past they truly believe they know what we want and we dont. and dislike of TW is far from a new thing. i had the origional galaxy facinate. bloated with vz and Sammy apps. hated it so i rooted and flashed something else. with every update to TW it deviated more and more from vanilla android and became more intrusive. for people who have actually owned an s4 after a few months it becomes so sluggish. Besides that, it seems like TW was designed for ease of use but instead just looks childish to me. the hate has grown because they aren't delivering

Samsung claims they addressed the issues and customer sticking points from the previous generation. Really??

I think most customers would much rather prefer a device made with premium feel and design and materials over another generation of plastic

Water resistant?? Really? Great concept but you are still only targeting a small group. That affects the size and design of the phone, and my guess is most people would prefer a phone more pleasing aesthetically than water resistance.

Sluggish UI from TW?? They addressed that by making the ROM even more bloated. Just to add gimmicks most people will never use, or use for the first day.

Lack of internal storage? 16GB on a flagship device! See above, enough said.

Bottom line, if they kept the S4 internals the same and truly revamped and slimmed down TW, and made a premium looking, feeling device with top notch materials, I think the S5 would be a winner.

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Most customers don't care about plastic. Most customers are going to get a case anyway. Water/dust resistance is a lot more important (and a much higher selling point) to a vast majority of customers. Liek Derek said, customers don't want their device to stop working if they accidentally splash water on it, drop it in the toilet, or get caught it the rain. As for the UI, I know this may sound hard to believe, but a lot of people that buy Samsung phones like Samsung's software and features. If they didn't they would buy something else. Rooters and ROMers like you and me are the vast minority.

If you want a premium and aestheically pleasing device, buy a Rolex. Or photoshop yourself what you want the Galaxy S5 to look like, frame it and call it a day. The majority of people don't call about looks, they care about functionality.

I don't know about anyone else, but... if I ever drop my phone in a toilet; water proof/resistant or not; time for a new phone... eeeeeeek

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I couldn't agree more. There are more average, not as technical users out there than there are power users or people really pay attention to specs and software. Functionality and ease of use, the reasons the iPhone and Galaxy devices since the S3 are such big hits worldwide.

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This isn't a really big deal. Everyone is titled to their opinions. If they bitch, they bitch. No reason to defend Samsung or apple. They are making money.

The problem is the phones are $600-$700. So they damn better well be good or meet the consumers need. I hate the glam but its not the end of the world. What kills it is that new touch wiz and 8 GB of ram. Go home Samsung you're drunk. At least with 3GB of ram the is could handle it better.

I have better expectations for the note 4. The note series is the power series. GS5 isn't the worst phone but there are better options out there.

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Great article Derek! I had to double check my link, was having a flash back to the great articles of webOS Nation we used to enjoy.

Like ryanmtech said above(about 40 comments) the hipster mentality. Great analogy.
I did go with Samsung after my HTC Dinc2(and palm pre) and it was the cool new phone. I wasnt blown away until I got the note 2. However, my note3 did actually blow me away with the new spen features. So incremental features can be a good thing. But, because everyone had the s3/s4, this one is still too close to be cool? I think not.

And yet, like the iPhone, it'll still be the best selling of its range. People dismiss the new iPhone as iterative and yet it always outsells it's predecessors. Same for the Galaxy line, this will outsell the S4, which outsold the S3 despite also being dismissed as iterative.

On the other hand, people are praising the Z2, and yet I have the Z1 and it's pretty much exactly the same. And like the Z1, it'll be a good seller, but nothing like the Galaxy line, which everyone around me owns. Because marketing. Simple.

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Anyone who knows tech, is not up in arms about this release.

The only thing to be passed about is the space taken up by the os. The rest is close to great.

So will most other phones. We live in great times.

You really should see the crap I don't post. Sorry if honesty offends you

I agree, the base model should of been 32GB if they're going to continue eating up the internal storage with TW or offer the 16GB at a lower price.

Comments like this are a bit ridiculous. Whenever any flagship is announced it gets lots of coverage because most of us want to read as much about it as we can. And yet, no matter what OEM is being talked about, some dweeb has to come and make a comment about AC getting paid off.

Sorry about that comment! I think i was too much frustrated when i watched Samsung Galaxy S5 Hands on video by AC! that carried over me to make a bad comment!

The Z2 probably won't be released on the scale the S5 will cover. Not saying there couldn't be a few more articles on it but the S5 was the star of the show.

Not everyone who criticizes the Galaxy S5 is a "Samsung Hater" whose sole purpose is to criticize Samsung because it's cool. I've always supported Samsung and bought every flagship device they offered until the Galaxy S4, as I didn't see it as being a substantial upgrade from my Note 2 at the time.

Samsung stated that they wanted to go back to the basics and address common complaints that their customers have. If that was truly their goal, they've failed miserably. People have bashed their cheap plastic approach for years, and yet we're greeted by another flagship with a high price, and cheap build quality.

I never expected an octacore 64-bit CPU or QHD screen. What i expected was as follows:

1. Better build quality. Perhaps some aluminum like the HTC One.

2. A better battery. Like the Sony Xperia Z2 with up to 3200 MaH or a minimum of 3000 MaH, like the G2.

3. Better internal storage, like 32GB minimum.

4. 3GB of RAM, like the Note 3. Most 2014 flagship devices have 3GB of RAM, and if any device needs the extra gig of RAM, it's a device running TouchWiz.

You can argue all you want, but I think my wants are very realistic, and yet they are unfulfilled. Therefore I'm leaning towards Sony or LG, like I did last year with the G2. Don't give the whole micro sd card slot argument either, because Google is making it more and more difficult to write apps to the SD card slot, so on board storage is way more important. Especially when the Galaxy S5 has only 8GB available after the TouchWiz bloat. Knowing how bloated TouchWiz is, how do you give your flagship device only 2GB of RAM?

All of these concerns would be alleviated if the Galaxy S5 was released at a very competitive price like the Nexus 5, but it isn't. This is a guaranteed $600+ device, and when you're spending that kind of money you don't expect to compromise on the most basic things like storage, battery life, and build quality.

That's just my $.02 cents.

But you were not reading articles, it's not the number of battery, but how long it lasts. This S5 outlast the bigger number on Z2 during testing. By the way what's apples battery size? Twice smaller than Android counterparts, but lasts longer.

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Where are you getting those specs from? Can you provide links to your sources for this information? I am sceptical that ANY conclusive tests have been done on a phone as new as the Z2 and S5. It is not even available yet.

People who want Sd cards is not for apps it's for the media we want on out phones.. as stated mah in battery isn't how to rate a battery performance ...shall I say Moto X ...

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I devote alot of time and effort before I commit my hard earned money to a phone. Even though I think the S5 is very nice ..... I ve come to the conclusion that the Nexus 5 offers the most phone for the dollar. I just wish it had a removable battery. Another scenario is the S4 if the price drops significantly. I am reluctant to leave my S2 ..... the best phone I've ever owned ..... and it really can still do it all with the Cmod.

I predict that when HTC's phone comes out everyone will ooh and aah over what it looks like but it will have next to no new software features.