Amazon Kindle Fire

KMLProxy in our forums brings up a good point, if you're looking at purchasing an Amazon Kindle Fire. You won't be able to easily transfer apps that you purchase in the Android Market to the Kindle Fire. That is, you won't be able to redownload them directly, because the Kindle Fire won't have the Android Market.

That's not an insurmountable problem -- we've talked about how to pull the apps off your phone before, and you should be able to sideload them back onto the Kindle Fire. But you do see what we're getting at here, right?

Will the absence of the Android Market sway your decision to purchase a Kindle Fire? Let's hear it.

More: Preorder the Amazon Kindle Fire; Amazon Kindle Fire forums

 
There are 28 comments

jhotmann says:

It pretty much doesn't matter what features an android tablet ships with...it's a cheap tablet with a dual core so devs will take notice and good things will happen.

^ couldn't be more true

dethduck says:

If you can sideload apps, you can sideload the Google market app.

LGiusti84 says:

Just what I was going to say

samolukp says:

Amazon just wants to sell you their services, they don't care about the android community and the OS. They are using Android because that's the only way they could sell this tablet. Would anyone buy an Amazon OS tablet? As far as locking out the market...well that was to be expected, the suck enough said.

cbenet says:

I can't fault Amazon for pushing their own Appstore, but it seems like updates on the Appstore never happen as fast as on Android Market. Appbrain keeps telling me I have updates since it compares my DX to the Market. I've gone so far as to purchase an app on the Market that I first got for free on the Appstore. It just wasn't getting updated. I can't say for sure that it's Amazon that's slow (as opposed to the developer getting it to Amazon), but a number of apps seem to take forever to update. If it's a systemic problem on the Appstore, that would make me think twice about getting the Kindle Fire.

technomom says:

For $199, not really. If I were to buy this, I see it as a nice, lighweight tablet that I can throw in my purse to give me entertainment while traveling. I'm not really dying to install anything that isn't out in the Amazon Market anyway.

My HTC Incredible can cover those that aren't there for now.

If I get bored with it and really want the Android Market, I figure eventually someone will root this puppy and play all we want.

likwidsoul says:

For real look at the touch pad and it's not even an android tablet. Devs will jump on anything they think they can hack android on to if it's cheap.

jaykingofgay says:

well, the markets, at least from what I've seen, have a lot of the same apps, and at the same prices too. I'm not in the market for a new tablet, but if I were this wouldn't bother me.

daveloft says:

Of the 48 games I have on my tablet from the Android Market, only about a dozen can be found on the Amazon Appstore.

hoosiercub says:

I thought this was pretty obvious knowledge lol. This is the reason it won't be any kind of tablet killer ;)

PhilR8 says:

Saving this comment and will revisit in a year's time.

hoosiercub says:

Sure, very gladly. Most people I know that are reasonably tech aware, don't know what a Nook is, or a Kindle.. at least nothing anything past the classic Kindle.

I'm not saying its a bad product, but it's limited capability alongside its lack of things like expandable storage and lack of a camera for video chat. Will ultimately be its demise because people are going to want those kinds of things on these light, portable, convenient devices in the future as they become more prominent and capable with the advancement of software and hardware. I'm not saying it won't sell either, I'm sure at that price point, the technologically ignorant will look at this as a $200 tablet. Even though it isn't really a tablet, its a light, cloud computing device with Amazon services.

This will eventually receive a port of real Android and because of the capable hardware and price, of course it'll be popular with the enthusiast/dev/hacker crowd.

So good device, good possibilities, but tablet killer.. absolutely not.

misfit410 says:

I just can't live without google apps.

jbb says:

Some features like C2DM need Market to work.

bwithey11 says:

people aren't understanding that Amazon didn't set out to make an Android tablet here. Just because there were a million rumors saying they were doesn't mean that it's true. They got smart and realized that people right now want a PMP (which includes Android tablets, ipads, ipods, and any Android based non phone such as the Galaxy S WiFi) and with their services that cover the 3 bases of media (audio, video and written) they could make their own multimedia Kindle that is geared toward those services. The majority of the population isn't worried about rooting and all that, because they can still do all of the fundamental things on the Fire that they could on any other Android tablet. Now, I will say that there is a strong group that want to see this with some stock Android (4.0 when available) and they likely will, but thats only a small percentage.

Now getting to the question, as stated before, if you can sideload apps you can sideload the Android market. But for $200, I pre-ordered on day one because even if it can't do it all, it will do enough to satisfy my wants as well as provide my daughter with a lot of entertainment especially with their full color books.

sforsyth01 says:

I second the point that Amazon's goal isn't to build an iPad killer. Just because the media reports it that way doest make it true.

That said, I will make this point: No Android Market, not a valid competitor. Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still the only device to be true iPad competition.

Appelflap says:

If it doesn't mean that one can't install third party keyboards without rooting and all the hassle (like on the nook color and viewsonic gtab) it doesn't bother me at all :-)

KrsWon says:

Apparently Getjar has official Google apps now. Even though Amazon cut out all G services, wouldn't one be able to install these without root?

daveloft says:

I'm fairly certain Amazon will disable sideloading.

meccariello says:

No market-deal breaker. Sounds like a decent macine that's got one arm tied behind its back

meccariello says:

No market-deal breaker. Sounds like a decent macine that's got one arm tied behind its back

gordol says:

I lied on my survey answer, I said that it does effect my decision when in truth, what effects my decision is that it's from Amazon. If I go the route of getting a tablet/ereader (rather than just an ereader but less than a "full" tablet), it'll be the B&N Nook Color because, at least out of the box, the Amazon products do not support outside ereader content, or at least not as simply as Nooks do. Only about 1/4 of the content on my original Nook is purchased from B&N, the rest are free content from places like Project Gutenberg and the Baen Free Library.

In other news air found to be a popular breathing medium among mammals. Seriously is ANYONE surprised by this? The market is a direct competitor to Amazon's market.

That said I will not buy any device that at minimum can't be hacked to use the normal android market. Way too many apps on there to start from scratch.

BigKenW says:

OK here is my take. I ALREADY bought a ton of apps from the Android Market. As the Amazon App store came out, I tried to buy apps there as my wife and I share an account. Hence the same apps on each of our devices. Before I purchase from the Android App store, I always check to see if they have the latest updated app version or I buy from the Android Market. I am not going to repurchase apps I already paid for through the Market, through the Android App store.

Just one more thing (see what I did there?), I don't want to have to root the Kindle Fire. I had an Evo 4G, rooted and ROM'd it. I now have an Evo 3D. I have rooted and ROM'd that too. There are benefits and a big user community. I also have an Acer Iconia Tab A500. I love it. However I can yet to find a real reason to root it. Nothing compels me to do so. I am not running WiFi tether or anything else that really needs it. The Honeycomb installed there works just fine.

The Kindle Fire will be made to work out of the box and work well. I don't want to have to ROM it and possibly not have apps running from the original ROM or have to manually update each time Amazon updates.

What really should be written about is how this is going to screw up the dev community. If apps are being written for Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich, how quick will they stop working on this 2.x derivative? Or, if this thing becomes as popular as I think it will, will Dev's instead decide to stay making 2.x level apps and not the new versions of Android because the money is in Kindle.

VDub2174 says:

I don't see this as being a problem at all. I had an Archos 43 tablet and was able to install the Market without rooting. Even if that doesn't work with the Kindle Fire, we have some great devs in the Android community who will most likely have this thing rooted in no time.

StuRoid says:

I just hope that they update this to a version of Ice Cream Sandwich, I don't care if it looks the same as this and nothing like ICS, just as long as the APIs are there for devs to use and create the apps. There are no two ways about this, it will be huge and sell vast numbers. What Android needs is for devs to start creating apps that run on ICS and putting them on both Amazon (where they get screwed) and the Android Market. Huge numbers will entice devs hopefully and be of benefit to everyone if the apps are then made available in both stores.

It's not really an issue for me because I don't intend to buy one. I don't need a $199 hardware shopping portal for Amazon, thanks. :)