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By CrackBerry Kevin
Tuesday, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:17 am EST
That Microsoft used Youtube embeds for all their videos. Oh, the irony.
Seriously though, you can read all the coverage about Microsoft's new CEO, Satya Nadella, at our sister site WPCentral.com.
And everyone in Redmond was like
Are they walking in front of a greenscreen?
Nice CEO just too bad is name is going to be hard to remember
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I'd take Windows phone over iOS.
Well at least the new CEO says mobile and cloud will be priorities! Better WP products and more choices in the mobile device space are a good thing.
The new CEO who has basically no experience in the consumer space. All I can say is they better have a plan to compensate for that or they are in trouble.
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They have a plan. It's called Bill Gates. He's back at Microsoft now as "Founder and Technology advisor". He basically will be the master of the strings behind Nadella while J. Thompson will take care of the bureaucratic stuff and Wall Street business as Chairman.
For a website that's dedicated to Android related news, this headline about Microsoft sure is getting a lot of comments.
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Keeping up on the competition is good. Especially now since MS is closing on Nokia...
Personally I like WP a bit. It is certainly different and does not suffer from being a tale like BB or iOS
This post approved by the NSA.... at least I hope so.
Yeah, most of the frequent commenters here are just tech geeks in general. I like hearing about the big moves that the competition make, because they *do* affect Android in a very real way. It drives me crazy when people inevitably post "hurrr if I wanted to read about iOS, I'd go to iMore durrr" type comments.
Its part of Mobile Nations and all WP Central members (except those who unchecked a box in their Passport accounts) also have accounts here and vice versa. Also YouTube support on WP is a hot button issue.
You would be surprised at how intolerant WP fanboys are towards anything Google related. Just check any article that has "Google" in it and see the kids spewing venom just "because".
On the other hand I never saw Android fans being that aggressive towards Microsoft. Even those who don't like Microsoft.
Yet they keep saying/assuming that Android users are the haters.
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Man windows phone is wreck wonder how much it is going to take microsoft to fix that? for the time being I will keep directing all of my customers to buy either Android or iOs powered devices. I want to make sure my customers don't regret their purchases months into their contracts, and these two ecosystems are mature and productive and relevant and have the app stores to back it up. On a lighter note I really do hope that windows phones can rise to the ocassion and make something amazing because we need competition in the market but at the moment even though there is an upward swing they are still no challenge to android or ios. I hope this new CEO can make the impact he talked about.
One thing all Android users must thank Windows phones for : XDA Developers.
"All?" No, only the Android users that actually learn to root, apply custom ROMs, etc should be thankful.
Me? I'm very grateful. I was able to install the Google Experience Launcher on my Note 3, thanks to XDA.
Yes ALL. Quite of bit of the mods done at XDA have made it into official Android builds and more will follow.
Your glossing over a few things.
First, it was not just Windows phone that they worked on when it started
Second, MS tried to kill rom development entirely.
No I do not have to thank MS for XDA
Kit Kat tastes like Jellybeans. Can't tell them apart...
I'm not saying that Microsoft doesn't get up to petty shenanigans but Google refusing to officially support their services on WP is equally crappy. It's like telling all those consumers that opt to use that platform, "You're not important to us as customers because of the 'side' you've chosen." In an attempt to punish the platform, they are punishing the consumer in turn. It ain't right.
I disagree. If that were the case then you wouldn't see an app for Apple either. I came from blackberry to my Note 3 and back then I was outraged at the idea that Google wouldn't make the apps or support their old ones.
After I realized I was being silly I also thought to myself that if the platform had enough people supporting it then Google wold be there with every app possible.
Blackberry is a minor player. Microsoft is as well. Until either one steps up I have to unfortunately agree with their ways. Not enough support, no need to invest in them.
Why develop for maybe 8% if you combine BB and wp when you can devote the resources to the other 92%.
The return on investment is just too small
Because that 8% is still millions of users and for a company whose mantra is "Do no Evil" you should want to include even this small number.
They have created ways for those platforms to access their services if they really want to. They are not obliged to support other platforms. For you it may make business sense but for them at least for now it doesn't.
Trust me I get your pain. As much as you want support for WP, I want it for BB10, but we both are going to have to accept that it's not in the cards any time soon.
What you state makes sense if looking at Google allocating to develop for an OS with little marketshare. However, the applications like youtube was not developed by google, but google continues to restict and "not play ball". A bit of a different spin than what you mention.
They have a specific way they want YouTube apps written (HTML5 with adds) and they have every right to restrict apps from accessing their services via other means. YouTube is a property closed service. Its not open like Android.
Correct. Google purchased YouTube. Way back when I don't even remember using an app. Now where your point is mute is that when michrosoft developed a new platform they made it where Google did in fact have take a new app.
Even with that said, whatever apps existed in the past for even Blakeney lost its Google support. It was easy for me to say that they can afford to support the app still. When I finally put myself in their shoes I could honestly say that I would have done the same to Windows and blackberry.
You can say that, but this thing with Microsoft seems really personal. Again, I'm not saying MS is innocent in the whole affair, but Google is still punishing millions of users, in spite of them being a severe minority. It would be a drop in their bucket to put on some big boy pants and extend and olive branch/good will.
The idea that support MUST preclude investment is flawed. It can work the other way too.
Exactly. Apple has a significant market share. WP and BB10 don't. Thus neither one gets support for Google apps. If and when that changes Google will consider supporting them.
It is sickening that people that I'm sure got outraged at the supposed "evil" practices of Microsoft on the 90's now laugh it up when Google knowingly sabotages Windows Phone by either releasing gimped versions of their services, or not releasing them at all. Well, Sic semper tyrannis.
Well, FYI, Google isn't required to release any services for other platforms. The same goes for Microsoft.
It'd be nice to see them cooperate, though.
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Perhaps this guy will put an end to the childish war with Google. Perhaps not. Tony Bates would have been a better choice for that.
Jeez, Microsoft and Apple need to put their differences aside and work together with Google. More developers=more apps on platforms+more money makes all the corps happy. And the users at bay :-P
I wish a new video service could compete with Youtube. I'd switch in an instant to get away from Google+.
+1. What us with trying to force g+ on people that do not want it.
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What is the issue with requiring a Google Account to use a Google service? Why can't I sign into Outlook with my Apple ID?
We are not taking about having an account. We are taking about making people use G+ to make comments on you tube and joining G+ to use the photo app etc or replacing the messaging app with hangouts etc. Choice is good and I do not want to use G+. We already have a Google account why make people join Google +?
If you have a Google account then you automatically have accounts for all of their services. They just need to be activated. If you don't want to use G+ for anything other than YouTube comments then you don't need to. And if you don't want your YouTube info linked with GMail or whatever then use different Google accounts.
I don't and I do. lol! I would like to have photos + and get auto upload of my pics like dropbox but as I said I do not want to sign up for G+. I signed up once to try it out and had several G+ requests in minutes, which I do not want. At least they let me delete the G+ account, I will give them that.
I agree. If we use their services I don't see the big deal. Google+ has very little use for me but just like I need to use a Gmail account at one time it's no different to me now.
Because nothing is truly free. You want to use Google's proprietary apps "for free," you have to take off your tinfoil hat and let them collect a bit of data off of you. Why wouldn't Google "try to force" you to use G+? It's in their interest to do so. They DON'T force you, so that's that. I get a ton of use out of Google's apps, so I consider it a symbiotic relationship.
True. Not forced yet. Why not make G+ something people should choose to use? I am sure they have plenty of data on me. It has flopped as a social community so they are trying to bake it into everything. I would not mind paying for ad free gmail. There are many Google apps I use a lot and really like. G+ is one I do not want or need.
Being the second biggest social network and growing is a flop?
+1 .... They've been bigger than Twitter since early last year.... Even before merging the YouTube comments system.
When I pay money to a developer for an app I should be able to rate/comment on that app for other people without having to use Google+ just to inflate google's userbase. I think it is not fair to advertisers who pay for ads based on user count when google is artificially inflating numbers like that. Someone who wants to pay google to display ads is paying for a lot of dormant or inactive G+ accounts because Google is requiring them for things that shouldn't be required and I am sure is quoting those figures when they price out their ads.
Good choice for leadership
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I wish Google would let Microsoft have a proper YouTube app for Windows Phone.
Maybe Microsoft should create more Scroogled ads and sell more Scroogled t-shirts. I am sure that would really motivate Google to help them create an app. You reap what you sow.
This is true, lol.
Wish google would just allow an official youtube app for windows phone already.
lol @ wp.
I talked somebody out of buying one yesterday. Another win for android.
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Really dude? Just let the consumer get what they want. This is one reason why WP isn't selling as much in the US. People like you talk people out of buying amazing WP devices,
Don't worry not everyone is like that. I love android, but I suggested my Mom get a 1020. First and foremost she wanted a phone with a killer camera. I think the live tiles will suit her light use well.
lol, i have a 11" air instead of the chromebook, but the same mobile devices:D
it's all about the BOBW.
11"? Step up to 13"
Hey MERCDROID, what happened to your Nexus 5.
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I actually still have it, but I wanted to try out the Note 3, as I've been using my phone a lot lately and could really use the extra screen real estate and bigger battery.
Would you like to sell it?
You are a good guy. :)
Agreed. I'm not sure why people don't want Windows Phone to succeed. Another competitor can ONLY be a win for consumers.
There, I corrected it for you.
Competition is what drives industry. If there's no competition, industry stalls because there is not as much incentive to innovate. I hate it when people say one OS is king and people who use others are dumb. Without options, technology would be so much less than it is today.
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I agree, but we all know if MS or Apple had their way Android would not exsist. I am only happy to return the thoughts to them. I really have no problem with WP. May try one someday, it just doesnt work for me yet.
Because the LAST thing the world needs right now is ANOTHER closed off ecosystem with a corporate overlord deciding who the winners and losers are! If WP was OPEN TO DEVELOP FOR at the very least, I would be the first to say it's a worthy competitor, but it isn't and it's also YEARS behind the market leaders, not only in sales and app development, but in BASIC FUNCTIONALITY. It's a fail, but a fail with BILLIONS of dollars behind it. Anyone else would have stuck a fork in it LONG ago!
Agree with most your comments, and i am not trying to be argumentative, but what basic functions are WP missing?
A unified notification system for one.
Coming in WP 8.1 if the Live tiles or peek on glance do not do it for you.
A back button when using IE, for another. How retarded, right? The back button works as long as you're in the app. But when you leave the app and go back, the back button now functions as an exit button, and exits you from the app.
A proper copy/paste, for three. Ever tried selecting text in WP8? It's unbelievably difficult. Honestly, it's like no one ever tried to actually use the tech before implementation.
I used to have a list, but I gave up WP for Android, and haven't been happier (stock Android, that is. Skins are... garbage).
Well I didn't just talk her out of it for the sake of doing so. She came in looking for one and after figuring out that she used Windows 8 on her pc and hated the tiles and used the desktop mode, I then talked about a low end android device that was similar to her previous device. She was much happier with what I suggested. Another win for android.
"amazing WP devices"? Haven't seen one yet. Maybe when they actually catch up to the features in iOS and Android they will have something...but given the lack of apps, I doubt it.
The way you are attacking MS and WP it is unlikely you would waiver on your opinion. Yes, what you state is an opinion. It is subjective if a device/OS is amazing, or not. Look some people will hold a different opinion and will enjoy different things. Guess what, that is a positive.
What if I talked someone into a WP and they returned it and got upset that I would talk them into a phone with such little support from major app developers?
That has happened to me before. Almost every wp has been returned that I've sold. ( mostly the 521) It runs pretty smooth though, I'll give it that.
Phone platforms are not teams, although i hope you wear a helmet when you go outside
-a real fan of technology.
drops the mic...
...and subsequently breaks it, so that no one else can use it, lol.
Shameful. People that "convince" someone to not get a device is not "LOL". It is sad really.
My main device is a Note 3. I love it and works for me. I own WP devices too and they are great devices. Choice is important and necessary. With no WP or Apple we the consumer would not benefit. At all.
Plus, is it hard for someone to think that Apple and WP is good for some just like android is good for others.
With no Apple or Windows Phone, all the competition would be between manufacturers and what they could add to Android. The consumer would win because competition would still push innovation and they would not have to worry about developer support.
Microsoft could make an official one if they followed Google's rules.
What rule are they breaking?
If I recall correctly: displaying ads. That's Google's bread and butter.
They fixed that but then google complained about something else.
"Google requires all third parties to build their YouTube applications with HTML5"
But obviously it's not Microsoft's fault, right?
There are other youtube apps out there (like metrotube) for Windows Phone that work just fine. So why can Microsoft not just write an HTML5 app and be done with it?
Google is trolling Microsoft because they do not have great HTML 5 support in Windows Phone and Google knows that. Microsoft asked for it with their "Scroogled" ads. Apple doesn't have this problem because the Youtube app is made by Google directly, it is not a third party app. If Windows Phone had more than ~3% market share, then Google would have a reason to create an app. Until then it isn't worth the time.
No. Its the fact that they don't want to open their proprietary APIs to third parties. Its not just Windows Phone that has that restriction. And as for the fact that Windows Phone has poor support for HTML5 (an open standard), Microsoft has only themselves to blame.
And for the record I own both an HTC 8X and a Lumia 920 so I'm no hater. Windows Phone is an interesting OS but years behind Android and iOS (and even BB10)
Metro tube is not written in html5 and also does not display ads, it's basically the app Microsoft wrote first, Google won't release the keys for Microsoft to build the app, and Google was sad when MS built a better app than Google could build.
This is true. Google asked MS continues to not play "fair" regarding this official youtube app. Google is trolling and with such a small marketshare I don't understand why really.
You don't think the Scroogled ads have anything to do with it?
haha. I doubt it since I think that came afterwards.
I wish players involved would play nice. ;)
I thought that they didn't have the access to display ads correctly, because google wouldn't help.
Google does have an Youtube API that developers can use. This API displays ads but it would appear that Microsoft doesn't want to use that API.
I'll guaranty you it isn't google holding things up. The thing that makes google so great is their business model. They don't care how or why, they just want you on the net as much as possible...
I think you'll find that any and all problems with anything microsoft, rest solely with microsoft...
Maybe. WP will reach a point maybe even this year that google will not be able to ignore apps for WP. As a cross platform user I welcome that. WP has a lot to offer and will grow significantly.
Windows Phone was only ~3% worldwide last year and Nokia's Windows Phone sales had dropped during Christmas! There is some hype surrounding Windows Phone, but the numbers do not match. With Nokia out of the picture, I don't see how Microsoft is going to have any luck just using their own branding. There is no way they will grow significantly without a huge change.
I am not here to market WP but your data is wrong. As I said, sometime soon and maybe this year Google will have to make apps for WP like they do for iOS.
The data is wrong? Wp only had a 3.4% market Share last time around... He is right there
The data I have seen is closer to 4% and about 5% here in the US and growing nicely. So what would the market share have to be to get google to make apps? 4 or 5 % is millions of devices. If I could get 1/2 the google apps on WP that I can get on my iPhone, I will be happy. The devices are just as capable as android devices so 2014 will be a make or break year for WP. Even without the apps I will continue to buy them for the cameras. It is not a zero sum game. I have devices on three platforms.
I went and looked it up, we are both right.
3.5% ish here in the US, 5% worldwide is the WP marketshare.
Your right we are talking about millions of people, but it is still a statistical insignificance in the larger scheme of things..
Thanks for looking it up, so at what point does google include those millions of people? They use data too...and look at ads etc. As someone earlier said is the business of google.
And WP unlike the reference to Blackberry, is on a growth pattern.
The math is quite easy. There were approximately 1 billion smart phones sold last year (2013). Nokia averaged about 8 million a quarter or 32 million total. Given Nokia is 90% of Windows Phone sales, that would give Windows Phone about 3.5% market share in 2013 with ~35 million devices total. Exactly what analysts said they had.
What about the one the year before? What about the ones that will be sold in 2014? If google collects data and sell ads there is not a legitimate business reason they would not support WP.
I do not really care as I can just swap my SIM to get what I want but the market share argument does not cut it. Maybe Google feels WP is a threat to android?
Well MS doesn't have its own video service and the only alternative is Vimeo, so they had no choice, lol.
I wish MS would play fair and quit using their UNSPECIFIED patents to EXTORT money from Android manufacturers. Guess we all cant get what we wish for, eh?
This is silly. Extort? Google, MS, Apple are all guilty of playing the game. I wish all the patent holders would "play fair" so YOU and I the consumer would benefit. ;)